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Originally posted by SammyFrancisco:
Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by thl408:
+20
Not a single wasted step by Breida.Alex Gibbs would be proud.
Very impressed by Breida's speed through the hole on some of these big runs. As thl pointed out, the Lions front sets up the Mike (1st round pick Jarrad Davis) to make this play. He navigates his way to the hole, but Breida is already past him.
Originally posted by thl408:
jd, what you think about the 3rd & 17 that DET converted? You mentioned Cover6 in your OP so I thought you might cut it up. Watching the telecast it looked like KWilliams was vertically stretched and gave up the intermediate. But I don't know why Warner decided to pressure Stafford instead of getting his head on a swivel and possibly matching the intermediate route. But I don't know if the coverage call requires Warner to match like how a Hook defender would match a crosser in certain Cover3 calls (i.e. Foster matching crossers as a Hook defender).
Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
Originally posted by jonnydel:The call looks great. The execution is poor. Why is Ward worrying about the guy in the flat on 3rd and 15? He can't tackle in space? Give them the check down and then make the tackle.
Here's the bad call I put on Saleh that gave up a crucial TD. It's late in the game, DET is down by 10, 3:30 left to go and 3rd and goal from the 15. You've just had a sack from Buckner and forced an incomplete pass. What does Saleh do? Stick with the same defensive play? Play the goal line and force them to throw it short? Nope.....
We run a lot of cover 2-zone inside the 20. without the deep stretch possible you have 5 underneath defenders and your safeties are still close enough for run support. Knowing DET knows this, Saleh mixes up his defense, but with another very similar defense. DET runs 3 post/DIG routes(hard to tell exactly, they kind of round off their routes. They're looking for 3 guys to be at the goal line for a horizontal stretch vs 2 deep safeties. We run cover 6(2+4). Sherm and AC are in quarters coverage and Tartt and Ward are in cover 2 on their side. Why? Why? Why give up half the field in the endzone on 3rd and 15?
Warner does a good job with his mid-read and carries the middle receiver. Tartt should widen more, but he also has to respect the vertical from the inside receiver. Ward is eyeing the TE's vertical release.
AC has to stay wide not to give up the seam too much and Warner is squeezing the vertical up the middle. However, this vertical holds Tartt and Ward sees the RB leak out and jumps the route. Tartt is put in a 2 on 1 situation with a lot of room for the TE to work outside. Meanwhile, Saleh called a looping stunt that's taking a while to develop. Nevermind that Buck was beating his man all day long with straight rushes.....
Ward and Lee are playing their underneath responsibility. This gives way too much room for the TE. I get that players still have to understand the down and distance and all that, but they also have to be put in good positions to succeed. Don't give them a flat responsibility and then expect them to play quarters.
Because of the looping stunt, Stafford had enough time to set and throw away from the safety.
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Players have to be put in good situations. Look at the stunt they pull. They're asking AA to loop around from the opposite side over the guard along with giving up half the endzone. This is just a plain old bad, bad, bad call.
I've been one who's been, "meh" on Saleh. Haven't hated, haven't loved. But this play has me salty. You just don't do crap like this.
3rd and 15, you were winning with what you're doing and then you go and try and get cute and this happens.
Originally posted by jonnydel:Okay cool. I just watched the 3rd & 17 again and I don't think it's Cover6 now. Cover3 got busted by Switch Verticals.
Originally posted by thl408:
jd, what you think about the 3rd & 17 that DET converted? You mentioned Cover6 in your OP so I thought you might cut it up. Watching the telecast it looked like KWilliams was vertically stretched and gave up the intermediate. But I don't know why Warner decided to pressure Stafford instead of getting his head on a swivel and possibly matching the intermediate route. But I don't know if the coverage call requires Warner to match like how a Hook defender would match a crosser in certain Cover3 calls (i.e. Foster matching crossers as a Hook defender).
The cover 6 was in reference to the play I cut up that gave up the TD. I might touch on some more defensive plays in a few hours.
Originally posted by thl408:
Just tallied all the dropbacks where Jimmy faced zone coverage and I got 9/11 for 95 yards. Obviously no sacks since all the sacks were against man coverage. Interestingly, both of Morris' +16 yard catches came against zone.
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by jonnydel:Okay cool. I just watched the 3rd & 17 again and I don't think it's Cover6 now. Cover3 got busted by Switch Verticals.
Originally posted by thl408:
jd, what you think about the 3rd & 17 that DET converted? You mentioned Cover6 in your OP so I thought you might cut it up. Watching the telecast it looked like KWilliams was vertically stretched and gave up the intermediate. But I don't know why Warner decided to pressure Stafford instead of getting his head on a swivel and possibly matching the intermediate route. But I don't know if the coverage call requires Warner to match like how a Hook defender would match a crosser in certain Cover3 calls (i.e. Foster matching crossers as a Hook defender).
The cover 6 was in reference to the play I cut up that gave up the TD. I might touch on some more defensive plays in a few hours.
Originally posted by thl408:
Just tallied all the dropbacks where Jimmy faced zone coverage and I got 9/11 for 95 yards. Obviously no sacks since all the sacks were against man coverage. Interestingly, both of Morris' +16 yard catches came against zone.
Originally posted by jonnydel:There was also a defensive pass interference call when Slay pushed Kittle in the back. That was vs zone and was an important penalty. It was 1st & 20 and after the PI call 49ers were able to move on and eventually Bourne scored a TD on that drive. So basically, not much good happened when DET played zone.
Originally posted by thl408:
Just tallied all the dropbacks where Jimmy faced zone coverage and I got 9/11 for 95 yards. Obviously no sacks since all the sacks were against man coverage. Interestingly, both of Morris' +16 yard catches came against zone.
Yeah, he was absolutely killing them when they were in zone. It's another reason I'm not worried about him. Not many teams around the league have the horses to play man-coverage all the time. I think he did just fine considering what was happening. You put any of the top 3 QB's in that game and I don't see it being much different IMO.
Originally posted by Niners816:
Originally posted by thl408:
Bunches to create picks and rubs.
But the telecast didn't mention this was on a quick count. DET was not prepared and it led to the blown coverage. The 49ers run up to the line after huddling and snap immediately before DET can make adjustments for the bunches and tight splits of the WRs.
I mentioned it earlier in this thread. I really liked Pettis's route here.
Originally posted by Niners816:
I mentioned it in the other thread. I really liked Pettis's route on the Bourne TD. Starts in like it could be a drag, then it goes vertical a bit before going to a corner. It's just s great way to create seperation on the flat (now I know Detroit bust basically) but even if the flat gets covered you have nice leverage on that corner with room to look at it for a TD as well.
Sorry at work here's the play art:
So the tightness of the formation and that type of corner routes looks pretty bad ass.
Originally posted by SammyFrancisco:
Very impressed by Breida's speed through the hole on some of these big runs. As thl pointed out, the Lions front sets up the Mike (1st round pick Jarrad Davis) to make this play. He navigates his way to the hole, but Breida is already past him.
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by jonnydel:There was also a defensive pass interference call when Slay pushed Kittle in the back. That was vs zone and was an important penalty. It was 1st & 20 and after the PI call 49ers were able to move on and eventually Bourne scored a TD on that drive. So basically, not much good happened when DET played zone.
Originally posted by thl408:
Just tallied all the dropbacks where Jimmy faced zone coverage and I got 9/11 for 95 yards. Obviously no sacks since all the sacks were against man coverage. Interestingly, both of Morris' +16 yard catches came against zone.
Yeah, he was absolutely killing them when they were in zone. It's another reason I'm not worried about him. Not many teams around the league have the horses to play man-coverage all the time. I think he did just fine considering what was happening. You put any of the top 3 QB's in that game and I don't see it being much different IMO.
Originally posted by Waterbear:I'm still pulling for Garnett. He was doing very well in the run game in his limited appearance against MIinn and the pre-season. He did a heckuva job.
The runblocking was good this week but the lions have a poor run defense. If we are to go forward with McKinnon and Breida we have to upgrade the guard spot. Neither of them are really gonna create with no hole but if we can make big holes our run game will be very good.
Originally posted by littleken:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by jonnydel:There was also a defensive pass interference call when Slay pushed Kittle in the back. That was vs zone and was an important penalty. It was 1st & 20 and after the PI call 49ers were able to move on and eventually Bourne scored a TD on that drive. So basically, not much good happened when DET played zone.
Originally posted by thl408:
Just tallied all the dropbacks where Jimmy faced zone coverage and I got 9/11 for 95 yards. Obviously no sacks since all the sacks were against man coverage. Interestingly, both of Morris' +16 yard catches came against zone.
Yeah, he was absolutely killing them when they were in zone. It's another reason I'm not worried about him. Not many teams around the league have the horses to play man-coverage all the time. I think he did just fine considering what was happening. You put any of the top 3 QB's in that game and I don't see it being much different IMO.
When teams do play man against us going forward, do you anticipate that we will use more bunch up formation and pick/rub plays?
