Coaches Film Analysis: 2018 Season

Originally posted by thl408:
Even when the defense has time to communicate they can't sort things out correctly. Orange WR motions across and sets to the right side of the formation. Tartt is seen motioning to Sherman about who covers who regarding orange and yellow. My guess is someone covers the outside guy, and someone covers the inside guy, based off of their release off the line.
Cover 1 blitz vs Shallow Cross


Both Sherman and Tartt end up covering the same WR. For Shallow Cross, the Sit (curl) route over the middle should never be open against man coverage - that route is to beat zone. Except when no one covers that route. It even takes awhile for Rodgers to see it because he sees man coverage and doesn't think the yellow route is open.


Rodgers doesn't see it till late in the play because that route isn't supposed to be open against man coverage. Completed to Graham (yellow), first down.

Could this play be blamed on Tartt? It looks like he signaled Sherman to take the outside guy, the same guy he then chose to cover and in the process ignoring the TE.

Originally posted by thl408:

Even when the defense has time to communicate they can't sort things out correctly. Orange WR motions across and sets to the right side of the formation. Tartt is seen motioning to Sherman about who covers who regarding orange and yellow. My guess is someone covers the outside guy, and someone covers the inside guy, based off of their release off the line.
Cover 1 blitz vs Shallow Cross


Both Sherman and Tartt end up covering the same WR. For Shallow Cross, the Sit (curl) route over the middle should never be open against man coverage - that route is to beat zone. Except when no one covers that route. It even takes awhile for Rodgers to see it because he sees man coverage and doesn't think the yellow route is open.


Rodgers doesn't see it till late in the play because that route isn't supposed to be open against man coverage. Completed to Graham (yellow), first down.

Thanks for doing this thl.

Its like amateur hour. What are they doing in practice?

Originally posted by thl408:
One of the traits of a good RB is getting more yards than what's being blocked for him. For example, a play that should gain only 2 yards, the RB makes it into a 4 yard gain. Here's an example of Breida showing he can do this.
Outside zone right vs okie 3-4 with the blue safety walking down to make 8 in the box.


At the snap, the playside 5t slants inside (orange). This is done to disrupt the run blocks, it stuns Person. At this moment, it looks like there could be a running lane in the playside B gap - to the right of Person.


There's that possible running lane, but Person is being pushed into the backfield.


Another angle showing Person pushed into the backfield.


So now Breida turns on the jets to beat red to the outside. Red is the force defender and has outside leverage on Kittle. There shouldn't be any success running to the outside here. Blue safety coming to clean up.


Breida beats red to the outside, then freezes the extra man in the box (blue) with a head/shoulder fake.


+9 on a good effort by Breida. Blocking was not optimal but he still turns it into a positive run.

So what exactly does McKinnon have that Breida doesn't? I saw an analogy made that "McKinnon is basically an overpaid Breida" at this point

great to see these posts again by the way!

Originally posted by thl408:
Here's the first GB play from scrimmage. Last week the 49ers gave up a 70 yard bomb for a TD on ARI's first play. At least this one wasn't a TD. Proof of improvement from the defense.

your humor always has me dead

Originally posted by defenderDX:

So what exactly does McKinnon have that Breida doesn't? I saw an analogy made that "McKinnon is basically an overpaid Breida" at this point

great to see these posts again by the way!

McKinnon can run a full route tree. Breida is very limited in that regard.

Breida has shown great ball carrier vision this season. He slows down waiting on blocks, knows when to cut ... Etc. Living in Vikings country I can tell you this is McKinnon's weakness. He runs like a power back. Straight at the designed hole and tries to run over people if it's closed. He's a speed back who doesn't utilize it well. Hopefully he's improved.

I'd expect Breida to still play a good bit next year. With Juice, I'm curious to see if we run some wishbone next year. You don't see it in the NFL but what team has ever had two speed backs who can catch very well AND a FB who is like a TE in the pass game?

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by thl408:
Even when the defense has time to communicate they can't sort things out correctly. Orange WR motions across and sets to the right side of the formation. Tartt is seen motioning to Sherman about who covers who regarding orange and yellow. My guess is someone covers the outside guy, and someone covers the inside guy, based off of their release off the line.
Cover 1 blitz vs Shallow Cross

Both Sherman and Tartt end up covering the same WR. For Shallow Cross, the Sit (curl) route over the middle should never be open against man coverage - that route is to beat zone. Except when no one covers that route. It even takes awhile for Rodgers to see it because he sees man coverage and doesn't think the yellow route is open.

Rodgers doesn't see it till late in the play because that route isn't supposed to be open against man coverage. Completed to Graham (yellow), first down.

Could this play be blamed on Tartt? It looks like he signaled Sherman to take the outside guy, the same guy he then chose to cover and in the process ignoring the TE.

We can't be sure but I'd say all signs point to Tartt messing this up. Sherman is the vet all pro and, most times, Sherman will cover the WR and Tartt the TE. For whatever reason Tartt decides to cover the WR even though the WR took an outside release (Sherman's territory).

Originally posted by DaBum:

McKinnon can run a full route tree. Breida is very limited in that regard.

Breida has shown great ball carrier vision this season. He slows down waiting on blocks, knows when to cut ... Etc. Living in Vikings country I can tell you this is McKinnon's weakness. He runs like a power back. Straight at the designed hole and tries to run over people if it's closed. He's a speed back who doesn't utilize it well. Hopefully he's improved.

I'd expect Breida to still play a good bit next year. With Juice, I'm curious to see if we run some wishbone next year. You don't see it in the NFL but what team has ever had two speed backs who can catch very well AND a FB who is like a TE in the pass game?

Haha 30, 31, and 32 personnel in a wishbone formation. Would be a first in the nfl for years. Except Walsh ran the wishbone at least once during the strike in '87


Getting those 3 on the field in an inverted wishbone out of a pistol formations could be scary.

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by DaBum:
McKinnon can run a full route tree. Breida is very limited in that regard.

Breida has shown great ball carrier vision this season. He slows down waiting on blocks, knows when to cut ... Etc. Living in Vikings country I can tell you this is McKinnon's weakness. He runs like a power back. Straight at the designed hole and tries to run over people if it's closed. He's a speed back who doesn't utilize it well. Hopefully he's improved.

I'd expect Breida to still play a good bit next year. With Juice, I'm curious to see if we run some wishbone next year. You don't see it in the NFL but what team has ever had two speed backs who can catch very well AND a FB who is like a TE in the pass game?

Haha 30, 31, and 32 personnel in a wishbone formation. Would be a first in the nfl for years. Except Walsh ran the wishbone at least once during the strike in '87

Getting those 3 on the field in an inverted wishbone out of a pistol formations could be scary.

There have been some very creative gadget plays in the past couple seasons when an offense is in a goaline situation (CHI, PHI). I wonder if Kyle had plays designed with Jet as an option QB since Jet has college experience doing that. Defenses don't practice defending that stuff, makes sense to try it for "easy" TDs when at the goaline.

Originally posted by thl408:

There have been some very creative gadget plays in the past couple seasons when an offense is in a goaline situation (CHI, PHI). I wonder if Kyle had plays designed with Jet as an option QB since Jet has college experience doing that. Defenses don't practice defending that stuff, makes sense to try it for "easy" TDs when at the goaline.

That would make lot of sense. Damn these f**king injuries they've just nuked what could have been a really fun season.

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by thl408:

There have been some very creative gadget plays in the past couple seasons when an offense is in a goaline situation (CHI, PHI). I wonder if Kyle had plays designed with Jet as an option QB since Jet has college experience doing that. Defenses don't practice defending that stuff, makes sense to try it for "easy" TDs when at the goaline.

That would make lot of sense. Damn these f**king injuries they've just nuked what could have been a really fun season.

Understatement, my friend.

Epic find on the wishbone. Unreal.

I was dying to see McKinnon run that play Kyle dialed up against the Seahawks in the 2016 playoffs(I think it was a spot concept? I don't remember) where Tevin Coleman ran a f**king corner route out of the backfield for a TD lol.

Originally posted by DaBum:

Originally posted by defenderDX:
So what exactly does McKinnon have that Breida doesn't? I saw an analogy made that "McKinnon is basically an overpaid Breida" at this point

great to see these posts again by the way!

McKinnon can run a full route tree. Breida is very limited in that regard.

Breida has shown great ball carrier vision this season. He slows down waiting on blocks, knows when to cut ... Etc. Living in Vikings country I can tell you this is McKinnon's weakness. He runs like a power back. Straight at the designed hole and tries to run over people if it's closed. He's a speed back who doesn't utilize it well. Hopefully he's improved.

I'd expect Breida to still play a good bit next year. With Juice, I'm curious to see if we run some wishbone next year. You don't see it in the NFL but what team has ever had two speed backs who can catch very well AND a FB who is like a TE in the pass game?

So bascially McKinnon is superior when catching passes as a receiver more than Breida is. So far it sounds like Breida is the better 'running back.'

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by thl408:
There have been some very creative gadget plays in the past couple seasons when an offense is in a goaline situation (CHI, PHI). I wonder if Kyle had plays designed with Jet as an option QB since Jet has college experience doing that. Defenses don't practice defending that stuff, makes sense to try it for "easy" TDs when at the goaline.

That would make lot of sense. Damn these f**king injuries they've just nuked what could have been a really fun season.

Understatement, my friend.

Epic find on the wishbone. Unreal.

Welcome to the 49ers wishbone.

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by DaBum:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

So what exactly does McKinnon have that Breida doesn't? I saw an analogy made that "McKinnon is basically an overpaid Breida" at this point

great to see these posts again by the way!

McKinnon can run a full route tree. Breida is very limited in that regard.

Breida has shown great ball carrier vision this season. He slows down waiting on blocks, knows when to cut ... Etc. Living in Vikings country I can tell you this is McKinnon's weakness. He runs like a power back. Straight at the designed hole and tries to run over people if it's closed. He's a speed back who doesn't utilize it well. Hopefully he's improved.

I'd expect Breida to still play a good bit next year. With Juice, I'm curious to see if we run some wishbone next year. You don't see it in the NFL but what team has ever had two speed backs who can catch very well AND a FB who is like a TE in the pass game?

So bascially McKinnon is superior when catching passes as a receiver more than Breida is. So far it sounds like Breida is the better 'running back.'

Traditional RB, very well could be but having McK opens up all worts sorts for a defense because he can do anything like a poor mans LeVeon Bell. KS loves versatility because a D can't key on anything.

Originally posted by DaBum:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by DaBum:

Originally posted by defenderDX:
So what exactly does McKinnon have that Breida doesn't? I saw an analogy made that "McKinnon is basically an overpaid Breida" at this point

great to see these posts again by the way!

McKinnon can run a full route tree. Breida is very limited in that regard.

Breida has shown great ball carrier vision this season. He slows down waiting on blocks, knows when to cut ... Etc. Living in Vikings country I can tell you this is McKinnon's weakness. He runs like a power back. Straight at the designed hole and tries to run over people if it's closed. He's a speed back who doesn't utilize it well. Hopefully he's improved.

I'd expect Breida to still play a good bit next year. With Juice, I'm curious to see if we run some wishbone next year. You don't see it in the NFL but what team has ever had two speed backs who can catch very well AND a FB who is like a TE in the pass game?

So bascially McKinnon is superior when catching passes as a receiver more than Breida is. So far it sounds like Breida is the better 'running back.'

Traditional RB, very well could be but having McK opens up all worts sorts for a defense because he can do anything like a poor mans LeVeon Bell. KS loves versatility because a D can't key on anything.

Breida's issue is his diminutive size. It's clearly had an impact carrying the load with regards to injuries. Jet is nearly 15 lb's bigger and it's 15lb's of muscle difference not just weight. Yes I know he's out with an injury but that wasn't because of the grind of the season.