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Coaches Film Analysis: 2018 Season
Dec 19, 2018 at 5:49 AM
- pelos21
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Damn great insight homies.
Dec 19, 2018 at 6:04 AM
- Sanfran_chrisco
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Originally posted by thl408:
This is the next time they run Power and it's the big one in OT. We saw this a lot during Harbaugh/Gore days.
Power vs 4-3 Under front
Kittle and McG combo block 99
Laken gets low and in control as he faces Wagner in the hole. Both Kittle and McG go to the second level and leave 99. That's not supposed to happen.
"that's not supposed to happen"
do you mean the 9ers messed up?
[ Edited by defenderDX on Dec 19, 2018 at 6:04 AM ]
Dec 19, 2018 at 6:27 AM
- jgarf08
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Originally posted by defenderDX:
Originally posted by thl408:
This is the next time they run Power and it's the big one in OT. We saw this a lot during Harbaugh/Gore days.
Power vs 4-3 Under front
Kittle and McG combo block 99
Laken gets low and in control as he faces Wagner in the hole. Both Kittle and McG go to the second level and leave 99. That's not supposed to happen.
"that's not supposed to happen"
do you mean the 9ers messed up?
Correct. Kittle and McG are doubling on 99 and one of them is supposed to come off to the 2nd level after gaining control of the 1st level defender (99). Usually it's a presnap call depending on technique of the 1st level defender and/or leverage of the 2nd level defender, but more times than not it's a just a "feel" of who has control of the down and who moves to 2nd level.
The other mistake in the play is Richburg has to down block on a 3tech which is damn hard, you can see he actually over sets and the 3tech #90 actually crosses his face, leaving Pearson essentially blocking the Nose into the 3tech. Not their best work up front.
Dec 19, 2018 at 6:33 AM
- Sanfran_chrisco
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Originally posted by jgarf08:
Correct. Kittle and McG are doubling on 99 and one of them is supposed to come off to the 2nd level after gaining control of the 1st level defender (99). Usually it's a presnap call depending on technique of the 1st level defender and/or leverage of the 2nd level defender, but more times than not it's a just a "feel" of who has control of the down and who moves to 2nd level.
The other mistake in the play is Richburg has to down block on a 3tech which is damn hard, you can see he actually over sets and the 3tech #90 actually crosses his face, leaving Pearson essentially blocking the Nose into the 3tech. Not their best work up front.
so we just got lucky considering it worked out so well? why was it able to work then. thanks to the RB?
Dec 19, 2018 at 6:45 AM
- jgarf08
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More Heavy Pers Playaction.
22 Pers, Juice in the backfield, Pettis out wide, Kittle to the field and Celek to the Boundary.
Simple Flood concept, Juice to the Flat, Kittle on a Sail/Corner, and Pettis on the MOR (mandatory outside release go), Celek runs a seam to hold the backside CB and maybe pull the FS (doesn't here).
Seattle playing Man Free, aggressive in the box.
Quick play fake and the key here is the backfield action doesn't have to be much to get a reaction from the defenders, the OLine comes off the ball aggressively and key term with a "low hat". They sell the run and Mullens with a token fake and time to flip his hips to make a quick throw.
You can see the LBs bite hard on the fake, #48 and #52 collide into linemen past the LOS and have to retreat hard. #54 actually has Kittle man to man but eyes get stuck in the backfield, leaving Kittle open for an easy pitch and catch.
Not sure if Kittle cuts off his route because he feels the void, but typically you teach that Sail route to be a 10 to 15 yard landmark, but maybe they wanted a quick short corner here.
21 yard Gain, leads to a field goal
22 Pers, Juice in the backfield, Pettis out wide, Kittle to the field and Celek to the Boundary.
Simple Flood concept, Juice to the Flat, Kittle on a Sail/Corner, and Pettis on the MOR (mandatory outside release go), Celek runs a seam to hold the backside CB and maybe pull the FS (doesn't here).
Seattle playing Man Free, aggressive in the box.
Quick play fake and the key here is the backfield action doesn't have to be much to get a reaction from the defenders, the OLine comes off the ball aggressively and key term with a "low hat". They sell the run and Mullens with a token fake and time to flip his hips to make a quick throw.
You can see the LBs bite hard on the fake, #48 and #52 collide into linemen past the LOS and have to retreat hard. #54 actually has Kittle man to man but eyes get stuck in the backfield, leaving Kittle open for an easy pitch and catch.
Not sure if Kittle cuts off his route because he feels the void, but typically you teach that Sail route to be a 10 to 15 yard landmark, but maybe they wanted a quick short corner here.
21 yard Gain, leads to a field goal
Dec 19, 2018 at 6:47 AM
- mayo49
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Man, Mully is accurate as hell - always hitting his receivers in stride.
[ Edited by mayo49 on Dec 19, 2018 at 6:47 AM ]
Dec 19, 2018 at 6:50 AM
- jgarf08
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Originally posted by defenderDX:
so we just got lucky considering it worked out so well? why was it able to work then. thanks to the RB?
Just got a big enough piece to clear a small opening for Wilson to hit downhill. There was enough movement on the downblocks to create a seam and Tomlinson does a great job of getting a kickout on the PSLB, and create more movement to open the lane.
Good teaching point on power (stolen from Stanford), the pulling guard always wants to to work for a kickout on the Play side LB and the back needs to hit the hole expecting the kickout.
Power in theory is an A gap play, least that's how you want to teach it, but like in this example it's an A gap play that can hit C gap depending on the blocks and movement/reaction of the LBs.
You'll even see Power become a cutback play, where the defense flows so hard, the RB cuts back behind the pulling guard.
Dec 19, 2018 at 6:50 AM
- pickle
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thl408-----Given your breakdown of these run plays in overtime, would you think that an early pick (2nd round?) or significant free agent signing, should be focused on a guard? Interested in how you see it.
Dec 19, 2018 at 6:52 AM
- Sanfran_chrisco
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Originally posted by mayo49:
Man, Mully is accurate as hell - always hitting his receivers in stride.
your sarcasm is accurate as hell lol
Dec 19, 2018 at 6:54 AM
- Sanfran_chrisco
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Originally posted by jgarf08:
Originally posted by defenderDX:
so we just got lucky considering it worked out so well? why was it able to work then. thanks to the RB?
Just got a big enough piece to clear a small opening for Wilson to hit downhill. There was enough movement on the downblocks to create a seam and Tomlinson does a great job of getting a kickout on the PSLB, and create more movement to open the lane.
Good teaching point on power (stolen from Stanford), the pulling guard always wants to to work for a kickout on the Play side LB and the back needs to hit the hole expecting the kickout.
Power in theory is an A gap play, least that's how you want to teach it, but like in this example it's an A gap play that can hit C gap depending on the blocks and movement/reaction of the LBs.
You'll even see Power become a cutback play, where the defense flows so hard, the RB cuts back behind the pulling guard.
Dec 19, 2018 at 9:21 AM
- thl408
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Originally posted by pickle:thl408-----Given your breakdown of these run plays in overtime, would you think that an early pick (2nd round?) or significant free agent signing, should be focused on a guard? Interested in how you see it.
Person has been a nice surprise and Tomlinson is adequate. So an upgrade would be nice but I don't have guard as a top 5 group position to upgrade. Who knows what Kyle thinks but the only situation where I see Kyle going guard day 2 is if Person is not re-signed and there is great value when it comes time to make a selection. Two years in a row Kyle has found a vet guard to come in and hold it down (Fusco, Person). Adequate guard play is good enough and I feel spending a day 2 pick on a guard would be a luxury pick for this roster.
Dec 19, 2018 at 9:23 AM
- pickle
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Originally posted by thl408:
Person has been a nice surprise and Tomlinson is adequate. So an upgrade would be nice but I don't have guard as a top 5 group position to upgrade. Who knows what Kyle thinks but the only situation where I see Kyle going guard day 2 is if Person is not re-signed and there is great value when it comes time to make a selection. Two years in a row Kyle has found a vet guard to come in and hold it down (Fusco, Person). Adequate guard play is good enough and I feel spending a day 2 pick on a guard would be a luxury pick for this roster.
Thanks. I appreciate your insight!
Dec 19, 2018 at 11:45 AM
- thl408
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Such a simple play to get away from their own goal line. A misdirection TE screen. +20 on all RAC yards
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This is the very next play. All season the 49ers defense has been burned by the Switch Verticals concept. This is how SEA defends it from Cover3.
red and orange is that Post+Wheel combo (Switch verts). Deep 1/3 CBs in this scheme will match any vertical route by the #1 which is what Juice does here. It's that wheel route that has been burning the 49ers.
If the curl/flat defender (orange) jumps the flat, then Bourne is open. But orange will match the vertical of #2 (Bourne), that's how SEA defends it. Kittle holds the purple Hook. Kyle uses three routes to clear out that side of the field and get Breida room to run.
This is an easy pass to complete, but it's not an easy pass to hit the RB in perfect stride, and that's the key. +13
Back to back plays where the QB never threw a pass past the line of scrimmage and it nets 33 yards - classic WCO. The 49ers would fumble soon after but two simple throws that gets them down the field is nice scheming. Also, what other offense has their FB split wide running deep Posts.
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This is the very next play. All season the 49ers defense has been burned by the Switch Verticals concept. This is how SEA defends it from Cover3.
red and orange is that Post+Wheel combo (Switch verts). Deep 1/3 CBs in this scheme will match any vertical route by the #1 which is what Juice does here. It's that wheel route that has been burning the 49ers.
If the curl/flat defender (orange) jumps the flat, then Bourne is open. But orange will match the vertical of #2 (Bourne), that's how SEA defends it. Kittle holds the purple Hook. Kyle uses three routes to clear out that side of the field and get Breida room to run.
This is an easy pass to complete, but it's not an easy pass to hit the RB in perfect stride, and that's the key. +13
Back to back plays where the QB never threw a pass past the line of scrimmage and it nets 33 yards - classic WCO. The 49ers would fumble soon after but two simple throws that gets them down the field is nice scheming. Also, what other offense has their FB split wide running deep Posts.
Dec 19, 2018 at 11:51 AM
- Niners816
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I posted these in the Pettis thread relating to WR snaps but I think they could go here to just as a reference.
Begs the question, when the hell did we run 02 and 03 groupings
Originally posted by Niners816:When thinking of WR's I always like looking at the amount of WR snaps that are available. The easiest way to do this is looking at personnel grouping distribution. Currently we have had the following Personnel splits:
11 personnel(3 wide)347 plays = 1041 WR snaps
12 personnel(2 wide) 86 plays = 172 WR snaps
21 personne(2 wide) 364 plays = 728 WR snaps
13 personnel(1 wide)10 plays = 10 WR snaps
22 personnel(1 wide) 68 plays = 68 WR snaps
10 personnel(4 wide)1 play = 4 WR snaps
20 personnel(3 wide) 19 plays = 57 WR snaps
01 personnel(4 wide) 3 plays = 12 WR snaps
00 personnel(5 wide)1 play = 5 WR snaps
02 personnel(3 wide)1 play = 3 WR snaps
03 personnel(2 wide)1 play = 2 WR snaps
So in total we've had 2102 WR snaps in 14 games, that ends up being around 150 WR snaps per game. This is actually trending down a tad from last year because we were at 2600 WR snaps for the year and this trend gets us to 2400 WR snaps.
Begs the question, when the hell did we run 02 and 03 groupings
Dec 19, 2018 at 5:42 PM
- jgarf08
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Originally posted by Niners816:The numbers are a great reference, thank you!!
I posted these in the Pettis thread relating to WR snaps but I think they could go here to just as a reference.
Originally posted by Niners816:
When thinking of WR's I always like looking at the amount of WR snaps that are available. The easiest way to do this is looking at personnel grouping distribution. Currently we have had the following Personnel splits:
11 personnel(3 wide)347 plays = 1041 WR snaps
12 personnel(2 wide) 86 plays = 172 WR snaps
21 personne(2 wide) 364 plays = 728 WR snaps
13 personnel(1 wide)10 plays = 10 WR snaps
22 personnel(1 wide) 68 plays = 68 WR snaps
10 personnel(4 wide)1 play = 4 WR snaps
20 personnel(3 wide) 19 plays = 57 WR snaps
01 personnel(4 wide) 3 plays = 12 WR snaps
00 personnel(5 wide)1 play = 5 WR snaps
02 personnel(3 wide)1 play = 3 WR snaps
03 personnel(2 wide)1 play = 2 WR snaps
So in total we've had 2102 WR snaps in 14 games, that ends up being around 150 WR snaps per game. This is actually trending down a tad from last year because we were at 2600 WR snaps for the year and this trend gets us to 2400 WR snaps.
Begs the question, when the hell did we run 02 and 03 groupings
Wonder if the 02 and 03 pers is just based on formation and no on actually pers. Could be in Empty with Breida out wide at WR and whatnot.
The great thing about Kyle's offense is he can come out in 21 pers and be in a 0 pers formation and be successful.
Have to have the players to be able to do that, meaning Juice being able to catch a slant as the #1 WR as THL broke down a couple weeks ago, and having multi dimensional players in the system.
Tangent, but would have been real nice to see McKinnon in the offense this year. His route tree is going to be a little more expansive than Juice and even Breida.