Coaching Staff Changes

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/123206-shanahan-caught-guard-49ers-staff-getting-raided-discusses/

I'm with Shanny, I'm still a bit shocked that our coaching staff got raided considering that we were 4-12. That usually don't happen; 4-12 teams don't get raided. Gotta protect your coaches next year though.

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/123206-shanahan-caught-guard-49ers-staff-getting-raided-discusses/

I'm with Shanny, I'm still a bit shocked that our coaching staff got raided considering that we were 4-12. That usually don't happen; 4-12 teams don't get raided. Gotta protect your coaches next year though.

This is going to set us back unfortunately.

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/123206-shanahan-caught-guard-49ers-staff-getting-raided-discusses/

I'm with Shanny, I'm still a bit shocked that our coaching staff got raided considering that we were 4-12. That usually don't happen; 4-12 teams don't get raided. Gotta protect your coaches next year though.

What do you mean by "protect your coaches?" You don't get good new people to come work for you by denying opportunities to the ones you do have. Maybe you can block a guy once under the guise of continuity, if its a lateral transfer or if the coach themselves doesn't want the job but doing it repeatedly isn't a recipe for success.


Assistant coaching contracts are for two years typically. So you block a guy for two years, he walks and now much harder did you just make it to find a quality replacement?


Its very likely that if the 49ers have a good season, McDaniel and LaFleur will both be drawing significant interest from multiple teams to be their next OC.

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

This is going to set us back unfortunately.

How do you know that?



Was there a single person on this forum or any other site for that matter two years ago saying "The 49ers hired Rich Scangarello? NO WAY!!! THAT GUY IS AWESOME!!!"

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
This is going to set us back unfortunately.

How do you know that?

Was there a single person on this forum or any other site for that matter two years ago saying "The 49ers hired Rich Scangarello? NO WAY!!! THAT GUY IS AWESOME!!!"

Generally, when an organization loses lots of staff, it takes time to get everyone up to speed and learn the ropes. That is a setback imo. You can reference 2014-2016 for an example of the devastating impact coaching/player turnover has. We still haven't recovered from it.

This is true for any company. Imagine you lose a third of your co-workers and they are replaced. Production will go down, at least temporarily, while everyone gets on the same page. Even if the new guys are superior.

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
This is going to set us back unfortunately.

How do you know that?

Was there a single person on this forum or any other site for that matter two years ago saying "The 49ers hired Rich Scangarello? NO WAY!!! THAT GUY IS AWESOME!!!"

Generally, when an organization loses lots of staff, it takes time to get everyone up to speed and learn the ropes. That is a setback imo. You can reference 2014-2016 for an example of the devastating impact coaching/player turnover has. We still haven't recovered from it.

This is true for any company. Imagine you lose a third of your co-workers and they are replaced. Production will go down, at least temporarily, while everyone gets on the same page. Even if the new guys are superior.

It's a much bigger deal when it's a head coach or coordinater (or both) since that means a new regime and new approach. This is why having a HC who's is not beholden to his coordinators to know what systems to run is so important. The system is staying the same for everyone, even if the new assistant coaches have their unique ways to teach the details.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/123206-shanahan-caught-guard-49ers-staff-getting-raided-discusses/

I'm with Shanny, I'm still a bit shocked that our coaching staff got raided considering that we were 4-12. That usually don't happen; 4-12 teams don't get raided. Gotta protect your coaches next year though.

What do you mean by "protect your coaches?" You don't get good new people to come work for you by denying opportunities to the ones you do have. Maybe you can block a guy once under the guise of continuity, if its a lateral transfer or if the coach themselves doesn't want the job but doing it repeatedly isn't a recipe for success.

Assistant coaching contracts are for two years typically. So you block a guy for two years, he walks and now much harder did you just make it to find a quality replacement?

Its very likely that if the 49ers have a good season, McDaniel and LaFleur will both be drawing significant interest from multiple teams to be their next OC.

Well, I didn't say block everyone, nor do I expect that. But given his statements I think he would have done a better job protecting the staff. There has to be a balance, especially for a team-in-building like us. Can't block everyone, but we can't let teams just raid our staff either.

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
This is going to set us back unfortunately.

How do you know that?

Was there a single person on this forum or any other site for that matter two years ago saying "The 49ers hired Rich Scangarello? NO WAY!!! THAT GUY IS AWESOME!!!"

Generally, when an organization loses lots of staff, it takes time to get everyone up to speed and learn the ropes. That is a setback imo. You can reference 2014-2016 for an example of the devastating impact coaching/player turnover has. We still haven't recovered from it.

This is true for any company. Imagine you lose a third of your co-workers and they are replaced. Production will go down, at least temporarily, while everyone gets on the same page. Even if the new guys are superior.

It's a much bigger deal when it's a head coach or coordinater (or both) since that means a new regime and new approach. This is why having a HC who's is not beholden to his coordinators to know what systems to run is so important. The system is staying the same for everyone, even if the new assistant coaches have their unique ways to teach the details.

Sure, it is a bigger deal when its a coordinator or HC. But that doesn't mean a loss of position coaches has no effect at all.

It will have a negative impact at the beginning certainly. It could turn out better if the new coaches are better. Time will tell that.

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Well, I didn't say block everyone, nor do I expect that. But given his statements I think he would have done a better job protecting the staff. There has to be a balance, especially for a team-in-building like us. Can't block everyone, but we can't let teams just raid our staff either.

How did the staff get raided? Other than Scangarello, they lost an assistant OL coach and a low level offensive assistant.

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Generally, when an organization loses lots of staff, it takes time to get everyone up to speed and learn the ropes. That is a setback imo. You can reference 2014-2016 for an example of the devastating impact coaching/player turnover has. We still haven't recovered from it.

This is true for any company. Imagine you lose a third of your co-workers and they are replaced. Production will go down, at least temporarily, while everyone gets on the same page. Even if the new guys are superior.

When did that happen? QB coach, assistant OL coach and a quality control coach is not a lot of staff IMO. None of them were heavily involved in gameplanning. Basically one position coach and two low level assistants. When it comes to the offense, it all starts and ends with Shanahan anyways. He has shown repeatedly that he can identify high level assistants.

If you want to be a successful franchise then you need to be able to consistently replace your assistants.

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/123206-shanahan-caught-guard-49ers-staff-getting-raided-discusses/

I'm with Shanny, I'm still a bit shocked that our coaching staff got raided considering that we were 4-12. That usually don't happen; 4-12 teams don't get raided. Gotta protect your coaches next year though.

That is true...unless the 4-12 team has a very highly regarded offensive mind behind it and other teams recognize that the record was largely the result of injuries to key offensive players not the lack of quality coaching.

IMO, Kyle was caught off guard by the record and did not fully realize the respect his system has around the league. That is quite understandable. Like the fans, he was feeling down. All the negative stuff had covered over the silver lining. Hence the hirings were a surprise. However that should also be a wake-up call that his offense is going to be a very potent one when everyone is healthy. Other teams have seen the potential and want to learn what they can to bring it to their town. A lesson there for all of us when negativity comes calling.

As to the impact the loss of some of these lesser coaches will have; it will not have near as much impact now as it would a year ago. All the offensive guys are now well grounded in the system. The fact a new assistant is handling some relatively minor details is not going to slow things down at all. The guys know what to do and just need tuning on new details.

This is a reassuring feeling that Kyle is this well regarded around the league. The old guys will be replaced by new, bright guys who get what Kyle is doing and will bust their butt to make it work better than it did before. After all, the same guy that trained the old guys will be training the new guys. Lot to like about that.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/123206-shanahan-caught-guard-49ers-staff-getting-raided-discusses/

I'm with Shanny, I'm still a bit shocked that our coaching staff got raided considering that we were 4-12. That usually don't happen; 4-12 teams don't get raided. Gotta protect your coaches next year though.

That is true...unless the 4-12 team has a very highly regarded offensive mind behind it and other teams recognize that the record was largely the result of injuries to key offensive players not the lack of quality coaching.

IMO, Kyle was caught off guard by the record and did not fully realize the respect his system has around the league. That is quite understandable. Like the fans, he was feeling down. All the negative stuff had covered over the silver lining. Hence the hirings were a surprise. However that should also be a wake-up call that his offense is going to be a very potent one when everyone is healthy. Other teams have seen the potential and want to learn what they can to bring it to their town. A lesson there for all of us when negativity comes calling.

As to the impact the loss of some of these lesser coaches will have; it will not have near as much impact now as it would a year ago. All the offensive guys are now well grounded in the system. The fact a new assistant is handling some relatively minor details is not going to slow things down at all. The guys know what to do and just need tuning on new details.

This is a reassuring feeling that Kyle is this well regarded around the league. The old guys will be replaced by new, bright guys who get what Kyle is doing and will bust their butt to make it work better than it did before. After all, the same guy that trained the old guys will be training the new guys. Lot to like about that.

I cannot agree more. The fact that other teams would hire guys off our staff as OC's, and the team went 4-12, is reassuring. I mean, think about it: in young Shanny's young HC career he already has disciples Teams cannot wait to pluck coaches from Shanny's offensive staff.

I think our saving grace is that, unlike the Eagles with Frank Reich, Shanny is the play designer, play caller, and scheme creator. The offense is his totally. The best a team can get from us is the QB coach (which judging by this off-season I don't suspect we'll be able to keep more than two seasons at a time). But hell, Shanny can't do everything. He's got to rely on good coaches. But listening to that interview I suspect that Shanny has learned somethings and will apply them next season.

Kyle to be denver's OC after another losing season.

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Kyle to be denver's OC after another losing season.

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Kyle to be denver's OC after another losing season.

Really? Why would he take a demotion to replace the guy who's boss he was to become an OC.