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Originally posted by Jeepzilla:I think they needed to blame someone who isn't with the organization anymore.
It only makes sense.
Zgonina was not a big fan of Thomas, which may explain Thomas' sporadic snap numbers at the beginning of the season and start to explain why Zgonina is no longer on the payroll.
Originally posted by Niner4ever:I'm not sure we are talking about the same thing. I am saying that if Solly needs more snaps, then Saleh should be able to make it happen. No way a DL coach overrules the DC on who gets to play. That's all I'm saying. I don't know about the being good to get promoted topic.
Originally posted by thl408:Well to me you have guys that teach their positions and are good at it. Since they are good and earn the defensive coordinator's or head man's confidence then when it's their time they promote to DC or OC etc.
Originally posted by Niner4ever:
Originally posted by thl408:I would think you leave certain decisions to your position coaches. If not then why have them and how would they ever elevate in responsibility.
Originally posted by Niner4ever:Why couldn't Saleh just tell Zgonina to play Solly more? Zgonina is the decider on all things related to snapcount? No way.
Originally posted by zonkers:Yeah, whatever it is it's pretty dumb to not play the guy. If your boss gives you a #3 pick to work with you play that puppy to the ground and if the player doesn't improve or keeps showing bad production then you have showed your boss they made a mistake but the worst thing to do is not play him.
Originally posted by Niner4ever:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:Pretty dumb to be given a #3 pick by your boss and not try to play him.
[Barrows] Zgonina was not a big fan of Thomas, which may explain Thomas' sporadic snap numbers at the beginning of the season and start to explain why Zgonina is no longer on the payroll.
Maybe Thomas' practices were no good. But, maybe Zgonina expected all the guys to play like he did. But yeah, in the end it's his job to realize that #3 pick's potential.
Position coaches teach their position. I would hope that the DC has the final say in who plays, and how much they play. And if the DC sees something that needs to change, for example more snaps for Solly, that the DC has the authority to make it happen. Why have position coaches? To teach technique and teach how to execute.
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by Niner4ever:I'm not sure we are talking about the same thing. I am saying that if Solly needs more snaps, then Saleh should be able to make it happen. No way a DL coach overrules the DC on who gets to play. That's all I'm saying. I don't know about the being good to get promoted topic.
Originally posted by thl408:Well to me you have guys that teach their positions and are good at it. Since they are good and earn the defensive coordinator's or head man's confidence then when it's their time they promote to DC or OC etc.
Originally posted by Niner4ever:
Originally posted by thl408:I would think you leave certain decisions to your position coaches. If not then why have them and how would they ever elevate in responsibility.
Originally posted by Niner4ever:Why couldn't Saleh just tell Zgonina to play Solly more? Zgonina is the decider on all things related to snapcount? No way.
Originally posted by zonkers:Yeah, whatever it is it's pretty dumb to not play the guy. If your boss gives you a #3 pick to work with you play that puppy to the ground and if the player doesn't improve or keeps showing bad production then you have showed your boss they made a mistake but the worst thing to do is not play him.
Originally posted by Niner4ever:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:Pretty dumb to be given a #3 pick by your boss and not try to play him.
[Barrows] Zgonina was not a big fan of Thomas, which may explain Thomas' sporadic snap numbers at the beginning of the season and start to explain why Zgonina is no longer on the payroll.
Maybe Thomas' practices were no good. But, maybe Zgonina expected all the guys to play like he did. But yeah, in the end it's his job to realize that #3 pick's potential.
Position coaches teach their position. I would hope that the DC has the final say in who plays, and how much they play. And if the DC sees something that needs to change, for example more snaps for Solly, that the DC has the authority to make it happen. Why have position coaches? To teach technique and teach how to execute.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:Originally posted by Jeepzilla:I think they needed to blame someone who isn't with the organization anymore.
It only makes sense.
Who is "they?" This was Barrows speaking based on his own personal knowledge.
Zgonina was not a big fan of Thomas, which may explain Thomas' sporadic snap numbers at the beginning of the season and start to explain why Zgonina is no longer on the payroll.
Originally posted by Jeepzilla:They got rid of Z..
Now it's reported that Z didn't like ST.
1+1=2
Clear enough?
You assume MM came up with this report on his own?
I assume he was told this..
Until there is clear evidence either way both of us are assuming.
You do know a lot of what you post are your assumptions correct?
Or you think all your posts are facts and everyone else are opinions?
Originally posted by thl408:I don't know I hope we are talking about the same thing lol.
Originally posted by Niner4ever:I'm not sure we are talking about the same thing. I am saying that if Solly needs more snaps, then Saleh should be able to make it happen. No way a DL coach overrules the DC on who gets to play. That's all I'm saying. I don't know about the being good to get promoted topic.
Originally posted by thl408:Well to me you have guys that teach their positions and are good at it. Since they are good and earn the defensive coordinator's or head man's confidence then when it's their time they promote to DC or OC etc.
Originally posted by Niner4ever:
Originally posted by thl408:I would think you leave certain decisions to your position coaches. If not then why have them and how would they ever elevate in responsibility.
Originally posted by Niner4ever:Why couldn't Saleh just tell Zgonina to play Solly more? Zgonina is the decider on all things related to snapcount? No way.
Originally posted by zonkers:Yeah, whatever it is it's pretty dumb to not play the guy. If your boss gives you a #3 pick to work with you play that puppy to the ground and if the player doesn't improve or keeps showing bad production then you have showed your boss they made a mistake but the worst thing to do is not play him.
Originally posted by Niner4ever:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:Pretty dumb to be given a #3 pick by your boss and not try to play him.
[Barrows] Zgonina was not a big fan of Thomas, which may explain Thomas' sporadic snap numbers at the beginning of the season and start to explain why Zgonina is no longer on the payroll.
Maybe Thomas' practices were no good. But, maybe Zgonina expected all the guys to play like he did. But yeah, in the end it's his job to realize that #3 pick's potential.
Position coaches teach their position. I would hope that the DC has the final say in who plays, and how much they play. And if the DC sees something that needs to change, for example more snaps for Solly, that the DC has the authority to make it happen. Why have position coaches? To teach technique and teach how to execute.
edit: I was specifically addressing Matt Barrows' tweet that Zgonina didn't like Solly so that's why Solly got sporadic snapcounts. I'm saying what does Zgonina not liking Solly have to do with snapcount. Snapcount should be decided by Saleh.
Originally posted by Niner4ever:
Originally posted by thl408:I don't know I hope we are talking about the same thing lol.
Originally posted by Niner4ever:I'm not sure we are talking about the same thing. I am saying that if Solly needs more snaps, then Saleh should be able to make it happen. No way a DL coach overrules the DC on who gets to play. That's all I'm saying. I don't know about the being good to get promoted topic.
Originally posted by thl408:Well to me you have guys that teach their positions and are good at it. Since they are good and earn the defensive coordinator's or head man's confidence then when it's their time they promote to DC or OC etc.
Originally posted by Niner4ever:
Originally posted by thl408:I would think you leave certain decisions to your position coaches. If not then why have them and how would they ever elevate in responsibility.
Originally posted by Niner4ever:Why couldn't Saleh just tell Zgonina to play Solly more? Zgonina is the decider on all things related to snapcount? No way.
Originally posted by zonkers:Yeah, whatever it is it's pretty dumb to not play the guy. If your boss gives you a #3 pick to work with you play that puppy to the ground and if the player doesn't improve or keeps showing bad production then you have showed your boss they made a mistake but the worst thing to do is not play him.
Originally posted by Niner4ever:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:Pretty dumb to be given a #3 pick by your boss and not try to play him.
[Barrows] Zgonina was not a big fan of Thomas, which may explain Thomas' sporadic snap numbers at the beginning of the season and start to explain why Zgonina is no longer on the payroll.
Maybe Thomas' practices were no good. But, maybe Zgonina expected all the guys to play like he did. But yeah, in the end it's his job to realize that #3 pick's potential.
Position coaches teach their position. I would hope that the DC has the final say in who plays, and how much they play. And if the DC sees something that needs to change, for example more snaps for Solly, that the DC has the authority to make it happen. Why have position coaches? To teach technique and teach how to execute.
edit: I was specifically addressing Matt Barrows' tweet that Zgonina didn't like Solly so that's why Solly got sporadic snapcounts. I'm saying what does Zgonina not liking Solly have to do with snapcount. Snapcount should be decided by Saleh.
There are more factors than meets the eye on this I believe. Yes ultimately Saleh has the last say but just one example could be that he didn't want to undermine Zgonina by telling him I want Solomon in there and I don't care what you think etc.
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by Niner4ever:I'm not sure we are talking about the same thing. I am saying that if Solly needs more snaps, then Saleh should be able to make it happen. No way a DL coach overrules the DC on who gets to play. That's all I'm saying. I don't know about the being good to get promoted topic.
Originally posted by thl408:Well to me you have guys that teach their positions and are good at it. Since they are good and earn the defensive coordinator's or head man's confidence then when it's their time they promote to DC or OC etc.
Originally posted by Niner4ever:
Originally posted by thl408:I would think you leave certain decisions to your position coaches. If not then why have them and how would they ever elevate in responsibility.
Originally posted by Niner4ever:Why couldn't Saleh just tell Zgonina to play Solly more? Zgonina is the decider on all things related to snapcount? No way.
Originally posted by zonkers:Yeah, whatever it is it's pretty dumb to not play the guy. If your boss gives you a #3 pick to work with you play that puppy to the ground and if the player doesn't improve or keeps showing bad production then you have showed your boss they made a mistake but the worst thing to do is not play him.
Originally posted by Niner4ever:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:Pretty dumb to be given a #3 pick by your boss and not try to play him.
[Barrows] Zgonina was not a big fan of Thomas, which may explain Thomas' sporadic snap numbers at the beginning of the season and start to explain why Zgonina is no longer on the payroll.
Maybe Thomas' practices were no good. But, maybe Zgonina expected all the guys to play like he did. But yeah, in the end it's his job to realize that #3 pick's potential.
Position coaches teach their position. I would hope that the DC has the final say in who plays, and how much they play. And if the DC sees something that needs to change, for example more snaps for Solly, that the DC has the authority to make it happen. Why have position coaches? To teach technique and teach how to execute.
edit: I was specifically addressing Matt Barrows' tweet that Zgonina didn't like Solly so that's why Solly got sporadic snapcounts. I'm saying what does Zgonina not liking Solly have to do with snapcount. Snapcount should be decided by Saleh.
Originally posted by thl408:May be that is why he is gone because he wasn't good enough to be trusted with such responsibility.
Originally posted by Niner4ever:
Originally posted by thl408:I don't know I hope we are talking about the same thing lol.
Originally posted by Niner4ever:I'm not sure we are talking about the same thing. I am saying that if Solly needs more snaps, then Saleh should be able to make it happen. No way a DL coach overrules the DC on who gets to play. That's all I'm saying. I don't know about the being good to get promoted topic.
Originally posted by thl408:Well to me you have guys that teach their positions and are good at it. Since they are good and earn the defensive coordinator's or head man's confidence then when it's their time they promote to DC or OC etc.
Originally posted by Niner4ever:
Originally posted by thl408:I would think you leave certain decisions to your position coaches. If not then why have them and how would they ever elevate in responsibility.
Originally posted by Niner4ever:Why couldn't Saleh just tell Zgonina to play Solly more? Zgonina is the decider on all things related to snapcount? No way.
Originally posted by zonkers:Yeah, whatever it is it's pretty dumb to not play the guy. If your boss gives you a #3 pick to work with you play that puppy to the ground and if the player doesn't improve or keeps showing bad production then you have showed your boss they made a mistake but the worst thing to do is not play him.
Originally posted by Niner4ever:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:Pretty dumb to be given a #3 pick by your boss and not try to play him.
[Barrows] Zgonina was not a big fan of Thomas, which may explain Thomas' sporadic snap numbers at the beginning of the season and start to explain why Zgonina is no longer on the payroll.
Maybe Thomas' practices were no good. But, maybe Zgonina expected all the guys to play like he did. But yeah, in the end it's his job to realize that #3 pick's potential.
Position coaches teach their position. I would hope that the DC has the final say in who plays, and how much they play. And if the DC sees something that needs to change, for example more snaps for Solly, that the DC has the authority to make it happen. Why have position coaches? To teach technique and teach how to execute.
edit: I was specifically addressing Matt Barrows' tweet that Zgonina didn't like Solly so that's why Solly got sporadic snapcounts. I'm saying what does Zgonina not liking Solly have to do with snapcount. Snapcount should be decided by Saleh.
There are more factors than meets the eye on this I believe. Yes ultimately Saleh has the last say but just one example could be that he didn't want to undermine Zgonina by telling him I want Solomon in there and I don't care what you think etc.
If there is some confidence issue where Saleh doesn't want to overrule the position coach on an issue such as playing time for a player then fire Saleh right now.
Originally posted by WINiner:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by Niner4ever:I'm not sure we are talking about the same thing. I am saying that if Solly needs more snaps, then Saleh should be able to make it happen. No way a DL coach overrules the DC on who gets to play. That's all I'm saying. I don't know about the being good to get promoted topic.
Originally posted by thl408:Well to me you have guys that teach their positions and are good at it. Since they are good and earn the defensive coordinator's or head man's confidence then when it's their time they promote to DC or OC etc.
Originally posted by Niner4ever:
Originally posted by thl408:I would think you leave certain decisions to your position coaches. If not then why have them and how would they ever elevate in responsibility.
Originally posted by Niner4ever:Why couldn't Saleh just tell Zgonina to play Solly more? Zgonina is the decider on all things related to snapcount? No way.
Originally posted by zonkers:Yeah, whatever it is it's pretty dumb to not play the guy. If your boss gives you a #3 pick to work with you play that puppy to the ground and if the player doesn't improve or keeps showing bad production then you have showed your boss they made a mistake but the worst thing to do is not play him.
Originally posted by Niner4ever:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:Pretty dumb to be given a #3 pick by your boss and not try to play him.
[Barrows] Zgonina was not a big fan of Thomas, which may explain Thomas' sporadic snap numbers at the beginning of the season and start to explain why Zgonina is no longer on the payroll.
Maybe Thomas' practices were no good. But, maybe Zgonina expected all the guys to play like he did. But yeah, in the end it's his job to realize that #3 pick's potential.
Position coaches teach their position. I would hope that the DC has the final say in who plays, and how much they play. And if the DC sees something that needs to change, for example more snaps for Solly, that the DC has the authority to make it happen. Why have position coaches? To teach technique and teach how to execute.
edit: I was specifically addressing Matt Barrows' tweet that Zgonina didn't like Solly so that's why Solly got sporadic snapcounts. I'm saying what does Zgonina not liking Solly have to do with snapcount. Snapcount should be decided by Saleh.
Because the team works like any other company. Let's use a McDonalds for example. When the new employee is put to work he falls under the shift manager, who reports to the assistant manager who reports to the general manager. The shift manager trains the new employee and if he's doing well then he tells the assistant manager, and then that assistant manager may cite the new employee when the GM says "Who can we give more hours to?" when making up the new schedule based on the reports of progress from the shift manager.
Ultimately it is the general managers' responsibility, but he gets his info from those doing to direct training. Z would likely report to Saleh "This guy is really starting to get it, this guy is going to take a little while yet and that other guy doesn't seem to give a s**t and isn't progressing at all". Saleh will decide who plays more depending on the reports of progress from his position coaches.
Originally posted by WINiner:Yeah.
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by Niner4ever:I'm not sure we are talking about the same thing. I am saying that if Solly needs more snaps, then Saleh should be able to make it happen. No way a DL coach overrules the DC on who gets to play. That's all I'm saying. I don't know about the being good to get promoted topic.
Originally posted by thl408:Well to me you have guys that teach their positions and are good at it. Since they are good and earn the defensive coordinator's or head man's confidence then when it's their time they promote to DC or OC etc.
Originally posted by Niner4ever:
Originally posted by thl408:I would think you leave certain decisions to your position coaches. If not then why have them and how would they ever elevate in responsibility.
Originally posted by Niner4ever:Why couldn't Saleh just tell Zgonina to play Solly more? Zgonina is the decider on all things related to snapcount? No way.
Originally posted by zonkers:Yeah, whatever it is it's pretty dumb to not play the guy. If your boss gives you a #3 pick to work with you play that puppy to the ground and if the player doesn't improve or keeps showing bad production then you have showed your boss they made a mistake but the worst thing to do is not play him.
Originally posted by Niner4ever:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:Pretty dumb to be given a #3 pick by your boss and not try to play him.
[Barrows] Zgonina was not a big fan of Thomas, which may explain Thomas' sporadic snap numbers at the beginning of the season and start to explain why Zgonina is no longer on the payroll.
Maybe Thomas' practices were no good. But, maybe Zgonina expected all the guys to play like he did. But yeah, in the end it's his job to realize that #3 pick's potential.
Position coaches teach their position. I would hope that the DC has the final say in who plays, and how much they play. And if the DC sees something that needs to change, for example more snaps for Solly, that the DC has the authority to make it happen. Why have position coaches? To teach technique and teach how to execute.
edit: I was specifically addressing Matt Barrows' tweet that Zgonina didn't like Solly so that's why Solly got sporadic snapcounts. I'm saying what does Zgonina not liking Solly have to do with snapcount. Snapcount should be decided by Saleh.
Because the team works like any other company. Ultimately it is the general managers' responsibility, but he gets his info from those doing the direct training. Z would likely report to Saleh "This guy is really starting to get it, this guy is going to take a little while yet and that other guy doesn't seem to give a s**t and isn't progressing at all". Saleh will decide who plays more depending on the reports of progress from his position coaches.
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by WINiner:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by Niner4ever:I'm not sure we are talking about the same thing. I am saying that if Solly needs more snaps, then Saleh should be able to make it happen. No way a DL coach overrules the DC on who gets to play. That's all I'm saying. I don't know about the being good to get promoted topic.
Originally posted by thl408:Well to me you have guys that teach their positions and are good at it. Since they are good and earn the defensive coordinator's or head man's confidence then when it's their time they promote to DC or OC etc.
Originally posted by Niner4ever:
Originally posted by thl408:I would think you leave certain decisions to your position coaches. If not then why have them and how would they ever elevate in responsibility.
Originally posted by Niner4ever:Why couldn't Saleh just tell Zgonina to play Solly more? Zgonina is the decider on all things related to snapcount? No way.
Originally posted by zonkers:Yeah, whatever it is it's pretty dumb to not play the guy. If your boss gives you a #3 pick to work with you play that puppy to the ground and if the player doesn't improve or keeps showing bad production then you have showed your boss they made a mistake but the worst thing to do is not play him.
Originally posted by Niner4ever:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:Pretty dumb to be given a #3 pick by your boss and not try to play him.
[Barrows] Zgonina was not a big fan of Thomas, which may explain Thomas' sporadic snap numbers at the beginning of the season and start to explain why Zgonina is no longer on the payroll.
Maybe Thomas' practices were no good. But, maybe Zgonina expected all the guys to play like he did. But yeah, in the end it's his job to realize that #3 pick's potential.
Position coaches teach their position. I would hope that the DC has the final say in who plays, and how much they play. And if the DC sees something that needs to change, for example more snaps for Solly, that the DC has the authority to make it happen. Why have position coaches? To teach technique and teach how to execute.
edit: I was specifically addressing Matt Barrows' tweet that Zgonina didn't like Solly so that's why Solly got sporadic snapcounts. I'm saying what does Zgonina not liking Solly have to do with snapcount. Snapcount should be decided by Saleh.
Because the team works like any other company. Let's use a McDonalds for example. When the new employee is put to work he falls under the shift manager, who reports to the assistant manager who reports to the general manager. The shift manager trains the new employee and if he's doing well then he tells the assistant manager, and then that assistant manager may cite the new employee when the GM says "Who can we give more hours to?" when making up the new schedule based on the reports of progress from the shift manager.
Ultimately it is the general managers' responsibility, but he gets his info from those doing to direct training. Z would likely report to Saleh "This guy is really starting to get it, this guy is going to take a little while yet and that other guy doesn't seem to give a s**t and isn't progressing at all". Saleh will decide who plays more depending on the reports of progress from his position coaches.
I think that absolves Saleh of his responsibility to put the best players on the field. I have a hard time buying that Zgonina has such an influence regarding who gets more snaps. Sure Zgonina has input, but Saleh oversees the defense and snapcount is one of the areas he should have final say in. The moment it's 3rd & 8, and Saleh sees Solly standing next to him on the sideline while Earl Mitchell is on the field, Saleh needs to change it.
Originally posted by thl408:Why couldn't Saleh just tell Zgonina to play Solly more? Zgonina is the decider on all things related to snapcount? No way.Originally posted by Niner4ever:Yeah, whatever it is it's pretty dumb to not play the guy. If your boss gives you a #3 pick to work with you play that puppy to the ground and if the player doesn't improve or keeps showing bad production then you have showed your boss they made a mistake but the worst thing to do is not play him.Originally posted by zonkers:Originally posted by Niner4ever:Pretty dumb to be given a #3 pick by your boss and not try to play him.Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:[Barrows] Zgonina was not a big fan of Thomas, which may explain Thomas' sporadic snap numbers at the beginning of the season and start to explain why Zgonina is no longer on the payroll.
Maybe Thomas' practices were no good. But, maybe Zgonina expected all the guys to play like he did. But yeah, in the end it's his job to realize that #3 pick's potential.
