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Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by NCommand:
I wonder if we're going to see a lot of movement this off season.

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How boring. Their OL is terrific. Can I come back and troll the OL thread here?


LOL
Proof DC's need to stop focusing on this as a primary in a passing league.

2018 - Front 7 gave up 1,800 yards rushing (bad)
2019 - Front 7 gave up 1,800 yards rushing (bad)
2020 - Front 7 will give up 1,700 yards (not great)


...and it didn't mean a thing.

Focus on the pass rush and defending the pass. Kocurek's doing it right. Saleh did it right evolving the coverage looks.
Originally posted by Heroism:
Yeah, and you know how most DCs are. They want to make sure they stop the run before anything else. I give Saleh props for being open to Kocurek and the wide 9. It's been a big boost in regards to getting after the QB.

I don't think there will be any top DCs available this offseason, so if the 49ers bring in a bum like Dan Quinn and we lose Kocurek, it's going to be a big step backwards.

BTW, Crocker said he heard it was actually Kyle Shanahan who benched Witherspoon. Not Saleh. He thinks Kyle is and has been heavily involved in the defense including on personnel decisions and he can't stand soft guys (i.e. Pettis, Witherspoon, etc.).

I can't imagine it would be any different next year. I think he goes DeMeco Ryans as his next project that he can "control" and stick with what he's helped to build.
Originally posted by NCommand:
BTW, Crocker said he heard it was actually Kyle Shanahan who benched Witherspoon. Not Saleh. He thinks Kyle is and has been heavily involved in the defense including on personnel decisions and he can't stand soft guys (i.e. Pettis, Witherspoon, etc.).

I can't imagine it would be any different next year. I think he goes DeMeco Ryans as his next project that he can "control" and stick with what he's helped to build.

Kyle is turning into the hoodie.

Check out this awesome breakdown. This resembles a Nick Saban defense more than anything coming out of Seattle:
[ Edited by Heroism on Dec 31, 2020 at 2:05 PM ]
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The way the defense disguised was excellent and to do it with two backup safeties makes it all the more impressive. Nice gameplan and coaching from Saleh.
Originally posted by thl408:
The way the defense disguised was excellent and to do it with two backup safeties makes it all the more impressive. Nice gameplan and coaching from Saleh.

question: why did he get smart all of a sudden? he spent a lot of time sitting in the same looks, not getting the job done. With bosa and buck. Now he's interviewing on broadcast tv, he gets brilliant? What's that all about.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Proof DC's need to stop focusing on this as a primary in a passing league.

2018 - Front 7 gave up 1,800 yards rushing (bad)
2019 - Front 7 gave up 1,800 yards rushing (bad)
2020 - Front 7 will give up 1,700 yards (not great)


...and it didn't mean a thing.

Focus on the pass rush and defending the pass. Kocurek's doing it right. Saleh did it right evolving the coverage looks.

I´ve been saying that defenses need 2 great edge-rushers and 2 great man-coverage CB´s.

If a defense can get those 4 great players it will be able to run cover 1 most of the time and because of that it will be able to stop the run because that defense always will have more players in the box than blockers in the run game.

2-WR sets = 2 CB´s playing man and the FS helping them = 8 men in the box against 7 blockers in the run game.
3-WR sets = 3 CB´s playing man and the FS helping them = 7 men in the box against 6 blockers in the run game.

Also with 2 great edge-rushers that defense will put pressure on the QB in less than 3 seconds and playing man coverage means that the QB will need more than 3 seconds to find an open receiver.
Originally posted by Monsterniner:
I´ve been saying that defenses need 2 great edge-rushers and 2 great man-coverage CB´s.

If a defense can get those 4 great players it will be able to run cover 1 most of the time and because of that it will be able to stop the run because that defense always will have more players in the box than blockers in the run game.

2-WR sets = 2 CB´s playing man and the FS helping them = 8 men in the box against 7 blockers in the run game.
3-WR sets = 3 CB´s playing man and the FS helping them = 7 men in the box against 6 blockers in the run game.

Also with 2 great edge-rushers that defense will put pressure on the QB in less than 3 seconds and playing man coverage means that the QB will need more than 3 seconds to find an open receiver.

Your plan requires multiple years of investing first-round picks and hitting. Man corners go very early in the draft.

There isn't a single team in the NFL that has two "great" man CBs. Most don't even have 1. Great man corners a rare thing nowadays. Stephen Gilmore is the best man corner in the league. The dudes opposite him are JAGs.
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Originally posted by thl408:
The way the defense disguised was excellent and to do it with two backup safeties makes it all the more impressive. Nice gameplan and coaching from Saleh.

question: why did he get smart all of a sudden? he spent a lot of time sitting in the same looks, not getting the job done. With bosa and buck. Now he's interviewing on broadcast tv, he gets brilliant? What's that all about.

He's done a helluva job this season but I have the same reservations....like his inability to adapt in game vs. Miami like when he was heavily criticized for leaving that practice squad player Bryan Allen on an island vs. one of the better receivers in the league.
Originally posted by Heroism:
Your plan requires multiple years of investing first-round picks and hitting. Man corners go very early in the draft.

There isn't a single team in the NFL that has two "great" man CBs. Most don't even have 1. Great man corners a rare thing nowadays. Stephen Gilmore is the best man corner in the league. The dudes opposite him are JAGs.

I didn´t say it was easy.

We have Verrett who is very good in man coverage and Bosa who is a great edge-rusher. Theoretically we are halfway of my goal.

What the hell, I´d trade Warner for a 1st round pick to draft an edge-rusher and I´d sign DeAndre Baker from the Chiefs´ PS.

I know, I know, I´d get killed if I trade Warner only 1 year after they traded Buckner but to me having a great edge-rusher or/and a man coverage CB is more important than having a great LB nowadays because as I said, if we can play man coverage we´d be able to stop the run because of that man coverage.
Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by NCommand:
BTW, Crocker said he heard it was actually Kyle Shanahan who benched Witherspoon. Not Saleh. He thinks Kyle is and has been heavily involved in the defense including on personnel decisions and he can't stand soft guys (i.e. Pettis, Witherspoon, etc.).

I can't imagine it would be any different next year. I think he goes DeMeco Ryans as his next project that he can "control" and stick with what he's helped to build.

Kyle is turning into the hoodie.

Check out this awesome breakdown. This resembles a Nick Saban defense more than anything coming out of Seattle:

Fantastic find. That's a good comp too. And why not?
[ Edited by NCommand on Jan 1, 2021 at 5:29 AM ]
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Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Originally posted by thl408:
The way the defense disguised was excellent and to do it with two backup safeties makes it all the more impressive. Nice gameplan and coaching from Saleh.

question: why did he get smart all of a sudden? he spent a lot of time sitting in the same looks, not getting the job done. With bosa and buck. Now he's interviewing on broadcast tv, he gets brilliant? What's that all about.

When disguising coverages and dropping DL into coverage work, it looks brilliant. When it doesn't, it looks silly seeing DLmen playing zone coverage, or safeties are running around post snap only to give up a completion. The CB blitzes that work indicate good scouting and understanding of protection calls. So it has to do more with when these playcalls are being made because he's been doing this stuff before this season. It also helps when the opposing QB is a second year starter and has yet to see it all.
Originally posted by Monsterniner:
I didn´t say it was easy.

We have Verrett who is very good in man coverage and Bosa who is a great edge-rusher. Theoretically we are halfway of my goal.

What the hell, I´d trade Warner for a 1st round pick to draft an edge-rusher and I´d sign DeAndre Baker from the Chiefs´ PS.

I know, I know, I´d get killed if I trade Warner only 1 year after they traded Buckner but to me having a great edge-rusher or/and a man coverage CB is more important than having a great LB nowadays because as I said, if we can play man coverage we´d be able to stop the run because of that man coverage.

In a vacuum edge is obviously more valuable than a MLB but that's crazy talk to move the best covering LB in the league for a SHOT at an edge rusher in a fairly weak class.
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Originally posted by Monsterniner:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Proof DC's need to stop focusing on this as a primary in a passing league.

2018 - Front 7 gave up 1,800 yards rushing (bad)
2019 - Front 7 gave up 1,800 yards rushing (bad)
2020 - Front 7 will give up 1,700 yards (not great)


...and it didn't mean a thing.

Focus on the pass rush and defending the pass. Kocurek's doing it right. Saleh did it right evolving the coverage looks.

I´ve been saying that defenses need 2 great edge-rushers and 2 great man-coverage CB´s.

If a defense can get those 4 great players it will be able to run cover 1 most of the time and because of that it will be able to stop the run because that defense always will have more players in the box than blockers in the run game.

2-WR sets = 2 CB´s playing man and the FS helping them = 8 men in the box against 7 blockers in the run game.
3-WR sets = 3 CB´s playing man and the FS helping them = 7 men in the box against 6 blockers in the run game.

Also with 2 great edge-rushers that defense will put pressure on the QB in less than 3 seconds and playing man coverage means that the QB will need more than 3 seconds to find an open receiver.

Totally agree.
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