Deebo Samuel-WR-South Carolina

Overpriced. $12 for sauteed spinach, $19 for calamari.

I'm still a believer that in today's NFL, the best WR should be in the slot. I don't care what the old way of X and Z being your best guys is the way it should be. The slot WR has more options in terms of routes and more space to work with and should be targeted the most. It's a game of numbers. A defense uses 3 or 4 defenders to make sure 2 positions (X and Z) do not beat them. They only use one player, if even that (zone with a slow LB), to make up for the slot WR. The advantage in talent is so much greater for the slot WR than the X and Z. This is why the slot should be your best receiver. The X and Z should be your 2nd and 3rd guys and be getting shot plays and not a bunch of targets. The farther the throw is, the less efficient your offense will be.

Originally posted by Joecool:
I'm still a believer that in today's NFL, the best WR should be in the slot. I don't care what the old way of X and Z being your best guys is the way it should be. The slot WR has more options in terms of routes and more space to work with and should be targeted the most. It's a game of numbers. A defense uses 3 or 4 defenders to make sure 2 positions (X and Z) do not beat them. They only use one player, if even that (zone with a slow LB), to make up for the slot WR. The advantage in talent is so much greater for the slot WR than the X and Z. This is why the slot should be your best receiver. The X and Z should be your 2nd and 3rd guys and be getting shot plays and not a bunch of targets. The farther the throw is, the less efficient your offense will be.

The best WR on this team needs to be able to play X or Z because 21 personnel accounts for nearly 50% of the total snaps. I expect that percentage to only increase this year.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by Joecool:

I'm still a believer that in today's NFL, the best WR should be in the slot. I don't care what the old way of X and Z being your best guys is the way it should be. The slot WR has more options in terms of routes and more space to work with and should be targeted the most. It's a game of numbers. A defense uses 3 or 4 defenders to make sure 2 positions (X and Z) do not beat them. They only use one player, if even that (zone with a slow LB), to make up for the slot WR. The advantage in talent is so much greater for the slot WR than the X and Z. This is why the slot should be your best receiver. The X and Z should be your 2nd and 3rd guys and be getting shot plays and not a bunch of targets. The farther the throw is, the less efficient your offense will be.

The best WR on this team needs to be able to play X or Z because 21 personnel accounts for nearly 50% of the total snaps. I expect that percentage to only increase this year.

And how often are those runs? 11personnel, the best WR should always be in the slot.

Relatively speaking, slot WR is a small role in this offense (small=/=unimportant).

The most frequently used offensive personnel grouping in the NFL is 11 personnel (one running back, one tight end). Shanahan's offense in San Francisco, however, used this personnel group 11% lower than any other offense in the NFL in 2018 (38.6%). Instead, Shanahan implemented 21 personnel (two running backs, one tight end) heavily into his offense with a 42.3% usage rate (highest by over 13%), and as a result, 38.9% of their offensive plays in 2018 had two or more running backs on the field (the NFL's highest mark by over 4%).

With that said, no other offense had a lower rate of plays with three or more wide receivers than Shanahan and San Francisco, at 39.5% of plays. In fact, they had the lowest rate of such plays by over 10% (for perspective, the Los Angeles Rams had the highest rate of plays with three or more wide receivers on the field at 89.7%). What is really intriguing about this fact though, is how the 'Niners still had the fifth-highest rate of plays with an empty formation at 10.7%, which coincides with them also having the highest motion rate in the league by over 8%, at 70.5%.

https://www.pff.com/news/pro-kyle-shanahans-success-is-rooted-in-his-ability-to-play-to-the-strengths-of-his-players

Originally posted by Heroism:

Relatively speaking, slot WR is a small role in this offense (small=/=unimportant).

The most frequently used offensive personnel grouping in the NFL is 11 personnel (one running back, one tight end). Shanahan's offense in San Francisco, however, used this personnel group 11% lower than any other offense in the NFL in 2018 (38.6%). Instead, Shanahan implemented 21 personnel (two running backs, one tight end) heavily into his offense with a 42.3% usage rate (highest by over 13%), and as a result, 38.9% of their offensive plays in 2018 had two or more running backs on the field (the NFL's highest mark by over 4%).

With that said, no other offense had a lower rate of plays with three or more wide receivers than Shanahan and San Francisco, at 39.5% of plays. In fact, they had the lowest rate of such plays by over 10% (for perspective, the Los Angeles Rams had the highest rate of plays with three or more wide receivers on the field at 89.7%). What is really intriguing about this fact though, is how the 'Niners still had the fifth-highest rate of plays with an empty formation at 10.7%, which coincides with them also having the highest motion rate in the league by over 8%, at 70.5%.

https://www.pff.com/news/pro-kyle-shanahans-success-is-rooted-in-his-ability-to-play-to-the-strengths-of-his-players

Great stuff.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Heroism:
Relatively speaking, slot WR is a small role in this offense (small=/=unimportant).

The most frequently used offensive personnel grouping in the NFL is 11 personnel (one running back, one tight end). Shanahan's offense in San Francisco, however, used this personnel group 11% lower than any other offense in the NFL in 2018 (38.6%). Instead, Shanahan implemented 21 personnel (two running backs, one tight end) heavily into his offense with a 42.3% usage rate (highest by over 13%), and as a result, 38.9% of their offensive plays in 2018 had two or more running backs on the field (the NFL's highest mark by over 4%).

With that said, no other offense had a lower rate of plays with three or more wide receivers than Shanahan and San Francisco, at 39.5% of plays. In fact, they had the lowest rate of such plays by over 10% (for perspective, the Los Angeles Rams had the highest rate of plays with three or more wide receivers on the field at 89.7%). What is really intriguing about this fact though, is how the 'Niners still had the fifth-highest rate of plays with an empty formation at 10.7%, which coincides with them also having the highest motion rate in the league by over 8%, at 70.5%.

https://www.pff.com/news/pro-kyle-shanahans-success-is-rooted-in-his-ability-to-play-to-the-strengths-of-his-players

Great stuff.

I have to wonder if that will change though. Shanny is like Bill B. in that way. The offense is tailored to what we have talent wise. We now have a healthy Trent and Hurd who potentially provide mismatches in the slot in completely different ways. I don't see Shanny not taking advantage of that.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Overpriced. $12 for sauteed spinach, $19 for calamari.

High end steak houses use a nice little trick of offering cuts instead of entrees, meaning they can gouge you for 30 cents worth of spinach that in any other restaurant would just come with your meal on the plate.

Once you're already sitting down nobody is going to go there and just eat a cut of meat and leave (which feels and looks weird -- that it looks weird really matters, as people are almost always not dining alone), meaning people are very price insensitive to price gouging on the sides.

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
I have to wonder if that will change though. Shanny is like Bill B. in that way. The offense is tailored to what we have talent wise. We now have a healthy Trent and Hurd who potentially provide mismatches in the slot in completely different ways. I don't see Shanny not taking advantage of that.

I was thinking the same thing. Last year they didn't have much in the way of wide receiver. Garcon was a total loss. Pettis didn't come on until late in the season and the rest of them had injuries that kept them from playing much. Their best option was tight end. Hopefully this year should look different.

Originally posted by PopeyeJonesing:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Overpriced. $12 for sauteed spinach, $19 for calamari.

High end steak houses use a nice little trick of offering cuts instead of entrees, meaning they can gouge you for 30 cents worth of spinach that in any other restaurant would just come with your meal on the plate.

Once you're already sitting down nobody is going to go there and just eat a cut of meat and leave (which feels and looks weird -- that it looks weird really matters, as people are almost always not dining alone), meaning people are very price insensitive to price gouging on the sides.

My sister dined at Ruth's Chris with her husband once few years ago. She came back complaining about the high priced steak as that didn't come with any sides lol

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
I have to wonder if that will change though. Shanny is like Bill B. in that way. The offense is tailored to what we have talent wise. We now have a healthy Trent and Hurd who potentially provide mismatches in the slot in completely different ways. I don't see Shanny not taking advantage of that.

It may, but I think his usage of 21 personnel will increase. Everything Kyle does starts with the outside zone, and 21 personnel has intrinsic advantages that make running the ball difficult to defend. Then factor in the ability to run and pass out of the same personnel group due to the collection of hyper-versatile players Kyle has collected(ie Juice, Kittle, Coleman, Hurd), which also disguises his intent to run or pass, and he's only strengthened the multiplicity and effectiveness of his 21 personnel.

Originally posted by PopeyeJonesing:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Overpriced. $12 for sauteed spinach, $19 for calamari.

High end steak houses use a nice little trick of offering cuts instead of entrees, meaning they can gouge you for 30 cents worth of spinach that in any other restaurant would just come with your meal on the plate.

Once you're already sitting down nobody is going to go there and just eat a cut of meat and leave (which feels and looks weird -- that it looks weird really matters, as people are almost always not dining alone), meaning people are very price insensitive to price gouging on the sides.

The sides and appetizers are always my favorite parts of high end steakhouses . Lot of times i don't even order a steak, will just order a ton of sides and appetizers

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
The sides and appetizers are always my favorite parts of high end steakhouses . Lot of times i don't even order a steak, will just order a ton of sides and appetizers

Ate at Morton's in Chicago which I think was the original one. All I had was a 24 ounce Porterhouse and a beefsteak tomato salad with red onions and crumbled blue cheese. The two of us barely said a word as we enjoyed the best steak I had ever had. That tomato salad was really simple but it was awesome. You could almost make a meal of that alone.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by Joecool:
I'm still a believer that in today's NFL, the best WR should be in the slot. I don't care what the old way of X and Z being your best guys is the way it should be. The slot WR has more options in terms of routes and more space to work with and should be targeted the most. It's a game of numbers. A defense uses 3 or 4 defenders to make sure 2 positions (X and Z) do not beat them. They only use one player, if even that (zone with a slow LB), to make up for the slot WR. The advantage in talent is so much greater for the slot WR than the X and Z. This is why the slot should be your best receiver. The X and Z should be your 2nd and 3rd guys and be getting shot plays and not a bunch of targets. The farther the throw is, the less efficient your offense will be.

The best WR on this team needs to be able to play X or Z because 21 personnel accounts for nearly 50% of the total snaps. I expect that percentage to only increase this year.

And how often are those runs? 11personnel, the best WR should always be in the slot.

The third WR in the 49ers offense most likely won't play as large a role (snapcount) compared to other offenses. Kyle's trend of using 21 often will probably continue. Joecool is saying that in 11, put the best WR in the slot (correct me if I'm wrong). Many coaches do this, it's matchup/gameplan dependent. Boldin played Z in 2WR sets, but moved to the slot when they went 3 WR. I think you guys could both be right.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

The sides and appetizers are always my favorite parts of high end steakhouses . Lot of times i don't even order a steak, will just order a ton of sides and appetizers

Ate at Morton's in Chicago which I think was the original one. All I had was a 24 ounce Porterhouse and a beefsteak tomato salad with red onions and crumbled blue cheese. The two of us barely said a word as we enjoyed the best steak I had ever had. That tomato salad was really simple but it was awesome. You could almost make a meal of that alone.

Nice. Been to that Morton's as well. Nothing better and eating and drinking at a good, traditional steakhouse. Really want to try St. Elmo in Indianapolis