Deebo Samuel-WR-South Carolina

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Because as good as Jennings is, no one on offense has more big boy moments in big time games than Deebo. I'm not trading that off of one down year. No one is game planning to stop Jauan Jennings.

I love Jennings but he's getting a lot of opportunities because defenses are fixated on stopping Deebo and Kittle. Some 49ers fans might not value him but opposing defensive coordinators always do.

I agree that Deebo is an asset to this offense and no way do I see him traded. But don't you think that taking away Hill, Adams, Diggs, Jefferson and Chase are also a defenses #1 prority when facing their offenses? But still, they put up top 10 numbers each year. Deebo had an off year. Lets hope he comes back in 2023 looking like his 2021 self.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Because as good as Jennings is, no one on offense has more big boy moments in big time games than Deebo. I'm not trading that off of one down year. No one is game planning to stop Jauan Jennings.

I love Jennings but he's getting a lot of opportunities because defenses are fixated on stopping Deebo and Kittle. Some 49ers fans might not value him but opposing defensive coordinators always do.

This. I swear every DC had their guys all over Deebo this year. I think more will be open for him with CMC. Deebo needs space to work with and I think if you position Kittle and CMC on the opposite side, it means more single coverage for Deebo.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Because as good as Jennings is, no one on offense has more big boy moments in big time games than Deebo. I'm not trading that off of one down year. No one is game planning to stop Jauan Jennings.

I love Jennings but he's getting a lot of opportunities because defenses are fixated on stopping Deebo and Kittle. Some 49ers fans might not value him but opposing defensive coordinators always do.

I agree that Deebo is an asset to this offense and no way do I see him traded. But don't you think that taking away Hill, Adams, Diggs, Jefferson and Chase are also a defenses #1 prority when facing their offenses? But still, they put up top 10 numbers each year. Deebo had an off year. Lets hope he comes back in 2023 looking like his 2021 self.

I wonder how much the contract issue affected his preparation last year. All the talk about whether he would be signed or not.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Because as good as Jennings is, no one on offense has more big boy moments in big time games than Deebo. I'm not trading that off of one down year. No one is game planning to stop Jauan Jennings.

I love Jennings but he's getting a lot of opportunities because defenses are fixated on stopping Deebo and Kittle. Some 49ers fans might not value him but opposing defensive coordinators always do.

I agree that Deebo is an asset to this offense and no way do I see him traded. But don't you think that taking away Hill, Adams, Diggs, Jefferson and Chase are also a defenses #1 prority when facing their offenses? But still, they put up top 10 numbers each year. Deebo had an off year. Lets hope he comes back in 2023 looking like his 2021 self.

I think he wasn't used as a receiver frequently enough. He doesn't get anywhere near the opportunities as they do (our passing attempts are near the bottom of the league) and he does not have great hands. Deebo is an elite playmaker, has elite YAC ability, but average in the other areas. Shanahan is going to need to design ways to get the ball in his hands in space. Because of the presence of CMC, Kittle, and a QB that can scramble, I think Deebo should have more space to work with this year.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Because as good as Jennings is, no one on offense has more big boy moments in big time games than Deebo. I'm not trading that off of one down year. No one is game planning to stop Jauan Jennings.

I love Jennings but he's getting a lot of opportunities because defenses are fixated on stopping Deebo and Kittle. Some 49ers fans might not value him but opposing defensive coordinators always do.

I agree that Deebo is an asset to this offense and no way do I see him traded. But don't you think that taking away Hill, Adams, Diggs, Jefferson and Chase are also a defenses #1 prority when facing their offenses? But still, they put up top 10 numbers each year. Deebo had an off year. Lets hope he comes back in 2023 looking like his 2021 self.

I think he wasn't used as a receiver frequently enough. He doesn't get anywhere near the opportunities as they do (our passing attempts are near the bottom of the league) and he does not have great hands. Deebo is an elite playmaker, has elite YAC ability, but average in the other areas. Shanahan is going to need to design ways to get the ball in his hands in space. Because of the presence of CMC, Kittle, and a QB that can scramble, I think Deebo should have more space to work with this year.

Before he got injured in the TB game, Deebo had the most targets on the team. He also had one of the lowest catch percentages on the team which was under 60%. At times, I thought they were trying to force feed him the ball too much, even when he wasn't even getting any separation. 3 of Jimmy's INT's came from trying to force Deebo the football.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Deebo is pretty, pretty, pretty good pic.twitter.com/fHyk0tMhpq

— Ian Hartitz (@Ihartitz) February 17, 2023

Wow. Nobody is even CLOSE. Best YAC monster of this generation. Then you have people whining about a few drops or route running

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Deebo is pretty, pretty, pretty good pic.twitter.com/fHyk0tMhpq

— Ian Hartitz (@Ihartitz) February 17, 2023

Wow. Nobody is even CLOSE. Best YAC monster of this generation. Then you have people whining about a few drops or route running

No whining. Just stating facts, bud. For all the crap Aiyuk gets for dropping passes, he has a career drop% of almost half of what Deebo's is.

Deebo needs to get in shape before OTA and have a monster year. We will see this offense at 100 with a healthy Purdy and an in shape Deebo along with new toy CMC, solid Aiyuk, and reinvigorated Kittle.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Because as good as Jennings is, no one on offense has more big boy moments in big time games than Deebo. I'm not trading that off of one down year. No one is game planning to stop Jauan Jennings.

I love Jennings but he's getting a lot of opportunities because defenses are fixated on stopping Deebo and Kittle. Some 49ers fans might not value him but opposing defensive coordinators always do.

I agree that Deebo is an asset to this offense and no way do I see him traded. But don't you think that taking away Hill, Adams, Diggs, Jefferson and Chase are also a defenses #1 prority when facing their offenses? But still, they put up top 10 numbers each year. Deebo had an off year. Lets hope he comes back in 2023 looking like his 2021 self.

I think he wasn't used as a receiver frequently enough. He doesn't get anywhere near the opportunities as they do (our passing attempts are near the bottom of the league) and he does not have great hands. Deebo is an elite playmaker, has elite YAC ability, but average in the other areas. Shanahan is going to need to design ways to get the ball in his hands in space. Because of the presence of CMC, Kittle, and a QB that can scramble, I think Deebo should have more space to work with this year.

Before he got injured in the TB game, Deebo had the most targets on the team. He also had one of the lowest catch percentages on the team which was under 60%. At times, I thought they were trying to force feed him the ball too much, even when he wasn't even getting any separation. 3 of Jimmy's INT's came from trying to force Deebo the football.

Id agree with the forcing and with that, he still isn't targeted the way those other receivers are. I also mentioned he doesn't hate great hands. So mixing not great hands and forcing the ball us going to equate to disaster.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Because as good as Jennings is, no one on offense has more big boy moments in big time games than Deebo. I'm not trading that off of one down year. No one is game planning to stop Jauan Jennings.

I love Jennings but he's getting a lot of opportunities because defenses are fixated on stopping Deebo and Kittle. Some 49ers fans might not value him but opposing defensive coordinators always do.

I agree that Deebo is an asset to this offense and no way do I see him traded. But don't you think that taking away Hill, Adams, Diggs, Jefferson and Chase are also a defenses #1 prority when facing their offenses? But still, they put up top 10 numbers each year. Deebo had an off year. Lets hope he comes back in 2023 looking like his 2021 self.

I think he wasn't used as a receiver frequently enough. He doesn't get anywhere near the opportunities as they do (our passing attempts are near the bottom of the league) and he does not have great hands. Deebo is an elite playmaker, has elite YAC ability, but average in the other areas. Shanahan is going to need to design ways to get the ball in his hands in space. Because of the presence of CMC, Kittle, and a QB that can scramble, I think Deebo should have more space to work with this year.

Before he got injured in the TB game, Deebo had the most targets on the team. He also had one of the lowest catch percentages on the team which was under 60%. At times, I thought they were trying to force feed him the ball too much, even when he wasn't even getting any separation. 3 of Jimmy's INT's came from trying to force Deebo the football.

Id agree with the forcing and with that, he still isn't targeted the way those other receivers are. I also mentioned he doesn't hate great hands. So mixing not great hands and forcing the ball us going to equate to disaster.

You used the word enough. Which made me believe that you thought he should be targeted more. Which is why I made the post that I did. But you obviously cleared that up with your last post.

I agree that our receivers are not targeted as much as other receivers around the league. With other offenses, you see the top 10 receivers not coincidentally get the top 10 most targets. But we have 4 guys that each receive more than 5 targets per game. Deebo, Aiyuk, Kittle and CMC were seeing around 24 targets per game collectively on an offense that averaged 29 passes per game through the playoffs. Early on, until CMC came aboard, Deebo was being force fed the ball. After CMC, the ball began to be spread around a lot more. Our offense became more balanced and really started to take off. I would rather it be this way than the way other teams do it.

I am more of an efficiency guy than a total production guy for that very reason. Receivers with inflated yards are almost always the receivers with the most targets. If you want to know how our receivers compare to the rest of the league, break everything down on a by target rate. That will show you how efficient/productive our guys are compared to everyone else.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Deebo is pretty, pretty, pretty good pic.twitter.com/fHyk0tMhpq

— Ian Hartitz (@Ihartitz) February 17, 2023

Wow. Nobody is even CLOSE. Best YAC monster of this generation. Then you have people whining about a few drops or route running

No whining. Just stating facts, bud. For all the crap Aiyuk gets for dropping passes, he has a career drop% of almost half of what Deebo's is.

Well I'm just stating the facts, pal. Samuel is a generational player and his ability with the ball in his hands is second to none. He's probably the best at it since Terrell Owens and he's even better than him at running over people and breaking tackles. He could easily be in the conversation as the best ever. But keep harping over that drop percentage even though the best receivers drop balls but can't even come close to what he does with the ball in his hands. I mean it's pretty hilarious when we're talking at most what, 6 or so extra dropped balls the whole year then the other elite wr's?

Let´s say a team would offer the Niners two first round picks for Deebo, maybe you could do the trade but that´s not gonna happen.
Honestly why would you want to trade him anyway? When you see his game against the Seahawks in the POs, this dude is incredible. He´s in his prime, he can do so many things. And for what? Another DL in the first round or worse an OL?
No keep this badass on the team. He´s tough, he´s physical, he´s a match-up nightmare.
Deebo + CMC on the same team is just unfair.

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Deebo is pretty, pretty, pretty good pic.twitter.com/fHyk0tMhpq

— Ian Hartitz (@Ihartitz) February 17, 2023

Wow. Nobody is even CLOSE. Best YAC monster of this generation. Then you have people whining about a few drops or route running

No whining. Just stating facts, bud. For all the crap Aiyuk gets for dropping passes, he has a career drop% of almost half of what Deebo's is.

Well I'm just stating the facts, pal. Samuel is a generational player and his ability with the ball in his hands is second to none. He's probably the best at it since Terrell Owens and he's even better than him at running over people and breaking tackles. He could easily be in the conversation as the best ever. But keep harping over that drop percentage even though the best receivers drop balls but can't even come close to what he does with the ball in his hands. I mean it's pretty hilarious when we're talking at most what, 6 or so extra dropped balls the whole year then the other elite wr's?

Well I am trying to tell you, hun. That Deebo is great with the ball in his hands, yes. But it mostly comes off of play design and not him creating his own separation. Deebo had a handful of great plays last season but for the most part, defenses took away his bread and butter slants, screens and handoffs. In order to be great with the ball in his hands, he has to have the ball in his hands first. Hopefully Deebo comes back in 2023 looking like his 2021 self minus the 12.1% drop rate. If not, it might not be worth paying the back end of that contract.

Originally posted by pdc20:
Let´s say a team would offer the Niners two first round picks for Deebo, maybe you could do the trade but that´s not gonna happen.
Honestly why would you want to trade him anyway? When you see his game against the Seahawks in the POs, this dude is incredible. He´s in his prime, he can do so many things. And for what? Another DL in the first round or worse an OL?
No keep this badass on the team. He´s tough, he´s physical, he´s a match-up nightmare.
Deebo + CMC on the same team is just unfair.

Yeah, I'm rewatching the season and Deebo is just a
flat-out monster after the catch. Wouldn't even consider trading him. He's a perfect weapon for this offense.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Because as good as Jennings is, no one on offense has more big boy moments in big time games than Deebo. I'm not trading that off of one down year. No one is game planning to stop Jauan Jennings.

I love Jennings but he's getting a lot of opportunities because defenses are fixated on stopping Deebo and Kittle. Some 49ers fans might not value him but opposing defensive coordinators always do.

I agree that Deebo is an asset to this offense and no way do I see him traded. But don't you think that taking away Hill, Adams, Diggs, Jefferson and Chase are also a defenses #1 prority when facing their offenses? But still, they put up top 10 numbers each year. Deebo had an off year. Lets hope he comes back in 2023 looking like his 2021 self.

I think he wasn't used as a receiver frequently enough. He doesn't get anywhere near the opportunities as they do (our passing attempts are near the bottom of the league) and he does not have great hands. Deebo is an elite playmaker, has elite YAC ability, but average in the other areas. Shanahan is going to need to design ways to get the ball in his hands in space. Because of the presence of CMC, Kittle, and a QB that can scramble, I think Deebo should have more space to work with this year.

Before he got injured in the TB game, Deebo had the most targets on the team. He also had one of the lowest catch percentages on the team which was under 60%. At times, I thought they were trying to force feed him the ball too much, even when he wasn't even getting any separation. 3 of Jimmy's INT's came from trying to force Deebo the football.

Id agree with the forcing and with that, he still isn't targeted the way those other receivers are. I also mentioned he doesn't hate great hands. So mixing not great hands and forcing the ball us going to equate to disaster.

You used the word enough. Which made me believe that you thought he should be targeted more. Which is why I made the post that I did. But you obviously cleared that up with your last post.

I agree that our receivers are not targeted as much as other receivers around the league. With other offenses, you see the top 10 receivers not coincidentally get the top 10 most targets. But we have 4 guys that each receive more than 5 targets per game. Deebo, Aiyuk, Kittle and CMC were seeing around 24 targets per game collectively on an offense that averaged 29 passes per game through the playoffs. Early on, until CMC came aboard, Deebo was being force fed the ball. After CMC, the ball began to be spread around a lot more. Our offense became more balanced and really started to take off. I would rather it be this way than the way other teams do it.

I am more of an efficiency guy than a total production guy for that very reason. Receivers with inflated yards are almost always the receivers with the most targets. If you want to know how our receivers compare to the rest of the league, break everything down on a by target rate. That will show you how efficient/productive our guys are compared to everyone else.

By enough, I originally thought he was run more frequently this year, but I checked and saw his per game rushing attempts are actually lower this year compared to the 2021 season. His receiving targets were down compared to 2021, howeverbut his catch rate was actually the lowest of his career this year and it wasn't even close. Had he just equaled his career catch rate, before this year, it would've been 7 more catches and somewhere around 887 yards.

All and all, his worse year statistically. Curious to see was this an issue of Jimmy and Trey forcing the ball and not really going to Deebo when they should have or was Deebo just off this year.