Deebo Samuel-WR-South Carolina

I think it's fine that Deebo got in Moody's face, but I don't like how he reached out to make contact with Pepper. Just say what you gotta say without any physical interaction. I don't think that part of it was Captain-like.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Schulzy:

Originally posted by Leathaface:
I don't think Moody took as much offense as Pepper did. Moody doesn't need Pepper acting like his bodyguard.

Yup. Pepper is a clown.

what a bizarre interpretation. guys wanna talk so be it, you don't slap teammates or go for their throat. since when is that acceptable?

I'm guessing the push to the face came after Pepper reacted like a wife defending her husband's honor.

Originally posted by Leathaface:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by Schulzy:

Originally posted by Leathaface:
I don't think Moody took as much offense as Pepper did. Moody doesn't need Pepper acting like his bodyguard.

Yup. Pepper is a clown.

Pepper was stepping up for his guy. It's not all that different than an OL stepping in for his QB. If Purdy threw a bad pick and a defensive guy went up to him telling him to lock in with the vibe Deebo had I could easily see one of the OL doing what Pepper did.

How do you know "the vibe" with how Deebo went up to him with? lol.

Anyway, the 49ers won in spite of a terrible performance from the special teams unit (and HC in regards to clock management).

Deebo made it physical as well. That was unnecessary.

He could have also not confronted him as they were walking off the field. Typically helpful advice can come when guys are back from the sideline and you can approach them one on one, not when you drive-by tell them to "lock in".

The words aren't the problem, it's the presentation.

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:

Originally posted by Schulzy:

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

Originally posted by Schulzy:

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
Does not have enough clout to be jawing off mid game.

There's only a few players that impact the team enough and have played well enough that deserve to call other players out. If your names not Warner, kittle, or purdy keep your stuff to yourself.

Nobody else has earned it on the team or has enough impact in the game that they should open their mouths...

Deebo is not Justin jefferson so he should stay in his lane and worry about trying to improve his 2.9 ypc average or get to 1000 receiving yards. Neither of which are good this year.

The f**k?

If Deebo doesn't have enough clout on the team, then who does?

Somebody who is actually playing up to their contracts worth...

I already gave you the three who have the right to call people out this year.

Sure deebo 3 years ago could call people out when your the entire offense. Deebo this year is 25 million wasted and should be a 4th string receiver based on production and out of the NFL based on his ypc as a rb.

You can't call people out if you suck too...

Deebo is the heart and soul of the team. Has been a core piece since day 1 of his rookie year in '19. He has every right to call someone out.

Yes, his production isn't what it used to be but he's not a total zero.

This, seriously how people forget and it's not like he didn't make some plays yesterday.

He sucks because he's paid like he's a top 2 guy but he produces like a 4th string receiver.

He also sucks because the coaches have the same exact perception as you guys. That he's deebo from 3 years ago.

He has weak hands, can't separate, can't break tackles. It's obvious.

I don't think it's a stretch to say kittle, Jennings, and pearsall and likely cowing could do more with his reps.

He should get like 3 looks a game based on production...

You don't get to call people out when you produce like a 4th string receiver and are making 25 million a year. Sorry... That's how it works in my book.

Originally posted by Leathaface:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Schulzy:

Originally posted by Leathaface:
I don't think Moody took as much offense as Pepper did. Moody doesn't need Pepper acting like his bodyguard.

Yup. Pepper is a clown.

what a bizarre interpretation. guys wanna talk so be it, you don't slap teammates or go for their throat. since when is that acceptable?

I'm guessing the push to the face came after Pepper reacted like a wife defending her husband's honor.

so be it. your kick operation is a unit, often all on their own. they prax themselves away from the group. gonna venture that pepper knows moody way better than samuel does. it would be like in your workplace, if someone from another department came into your department and started going off on the guy next to you. do you stand up for him or just sit there and let that go down. this is a guy making peanuts standing up to a superstar type player. moody doesn't need any remarks from deebo. in the world of kickers you know if you miss kicks one week you are off roster the next. you have that pressure. it's a position you are more in your head space, and the problems are often between the ears. it's not the same as deebo's world where he can truck thru ppl with physicality. telling your kicker to 'lock in' is completely stupid. tell that to a position player going thru the motions or half assing routes, which ironically is often deebo..

Originally posted by captveg:
Deebo made it physical as well. That was unnecessary.

He could have also not confronted him as they were walking off the field. Typically helpful advice can come when guys are back from the sideline and you can approach them one on one, not when you drive-by tell them to "lock in".

The words aren't the problem, it's the presentation.

My interpretation of the situation, without being a true witness to it, is that Deebo told Moody to "lock in" and Pepper overreacted to that by screaming at Deebo and getting in his face. Deebo then pushed him in a "get out of my face" type way. I think Pepper is the one who instigated the situation further.

Originally posted by Leathaface:
My interpretation of the situation, without being a true witness to it, is that Deebo told Moody to "lock in" and Pepper overreacted to that by screaming at Deebo and getting in his face. Deebo then pushed him in a "get out of my face" type way. I think Pepper is the one who instigated the situation further.

even in your interpretation, it's words from one man, met with words from another as a reaction. then deebo getting physical, and walking away while checking his back. you can't react to man's words with your own words? what exactly is pepper allowed to do here? just take it and nothing else? what does instigate further even mean? there is no situation, but for deebo entering a world that most position players don't enter, which is the kicker and long snapper operation.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
so be it. your kick operation is a unit, often all on their own. they prax themselves away from the group. gonna venture that pepper knows moody way better than samuel does. it would be like in your workplace, if someone from another department came into your department and started going off on the guy next to you. do you stand up for him or just sit there and let that go down. this is a guy making peanuts standing up to a superstar type player. moody doesn't need any remarks from deebo. in the world of kickers you know if you miss kicks one week you are off roster the next. you have that pressure. it's a position you are more in your head space, and the problems are often between the ears. it's not the same as deebo's world where he can truck thru ppl with physicality. telling your kicker to 'lock in' is completely stupid. tell that to a position player going thru the motions or half assing routes, which ironically is often deebo..

I don't disagree with any of this but I think Pepper instigated the situation by getting into Deebo's face so Deebo pushed him away in sort of a "get out of my face" way.

The only one here with a truly level head is ironically Moody.

Originally posted by Leathaface:
I don't disagree with any of this but I think Pepper instigated the situation by getting into Deebo's face so Deebo pushed him away in sort of a "get out of my face" way.

The only one here with a truly level head is ironically Moody.

you feel for Moody as it seems like he's shaky and could be off the squad any moment. he doesn't need to be reminded to lock in, he has his nfl paychecks, literally millions of bucks on the line with each kick.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Leathaface:
My interpretation of the situation, without being a true witness to it, is that Deebo told Moody to "lock in" and Pepper overreacted to that by screaming at Deebo and getting in his face. Deebo then pushed him in a "get out of my face" type way. I think Pepper is the one who instigated the situation further.

even in your interpretation, it's words from one man, met with words from another as a reaction. then deebo getting physical, and walking away while checking his back. you can't react to man's words with your own words? what exactly is pepper allowed to do here? just take it and nothing else? what does instigate further even mean? there is no situation, but for deebo entering a world that most position players don't enter, which is the kicker and long snapper operation.

Pepper got into Deebo's face. It's not like he was sitting down and talking.

Honestly, I don't even really care about the details. These guys are all grown men and if they are truly professionals this will get hashed out and they'll move on. Should have no impact on winning or losing moving further.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Leathaface:
I don't disagree with any of this but I think Pepper instigated the situation by getting into Deebo's face so Deebo pushed him away in sort of a "get out of my face" way.

The only one here with a truly level head is ironically Moody.

you feel for Moody as it seems like he's shaky and could be off the squad any moment. he doesn't need to be reminded to lock in, he has his nfl paychecks, literally millions of bucks on the line with each kick.

Moody is going to be an NFL kicker for a long time. His leg strength and the arc at which he kicks is definitely different than most kickers.

Often times these young kickers with massive legs take a few years to, no pun intended, "lock in." But this team does not have the patience or the margin for error to be allowing 3 missed FGs in one game.

Originally posted by Leathaface:
Moody is going to be an NFL kicker for a long time. His leg strength and the arc at which he kicks is definitely different than most kickers.

Often times these young kickers with massive legs take a few years to, no pun intended, "lock in." But this team does not have the patience or the margin for error to be allowing 3 missed FGs in one game.

if you look at Cade York he was top kicker of his draft class, unemployed now. Carlson was in Moody's class and got cut. So did Ryland. these guys get cut all the time. nothing is guaranteed, and if you miss one, that's a thing. missing 3 that's red alert. he's on very thin ice imo.

Originally posted by Leathaface:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Leathaface:
I don't disagree with any of this but I think Pepper instigated the situation by getting into Deebo's face so Deebo pushed him away in sort of a "get out of my face" way.

The only one here with a truly level head is ironically Moody.

you feel for Moody as it seems like he's shaky and could be off the squad any moment. he doesn't need to be reminded to lock in, he has his nfl paychecks, literally millions of bucks on the line with each kick.

Moody is going to be an NFL kicker for a long time. Often times these young kickers with massive legs take a few years to, no pun intended, "lock in." But this team does not have the patience or the margin for error to be allowing 3 missed FGs in one game.

Justin Tucker who will probably make the HOF someday was undrafted. Brandon Aubrey maybe the best kicker currently was pulled from soccer. It was dumb to draft one in the first place.There are to many good kicker not even on NFL rosters right now (as the 49ers saw this year). A big leg is nothing special in 2024. There is nothing to indicate he will be a NFL kicker for a long time.

Originally posted by Jcool:
Justin Tucker who will probably make the HOF someday was undrafted. Brandon Aubrey maybe the best kicker currently was pulled from soccer. It was dumb to draft one in the first place.There are to many good kicker not even on NFL rosters right now (as the 49ers saw this year). A big leg is nothing special in 2024. There is nothing to indicate he will be a NFL kicker for a long time.

I agree it was a bad decision to draft him 3rd round but I do think he will eventually be a very good and consistent kicker. He was good this year before the game at TB. Last year he had a high profile miss at Cleveland but was fairly good otherwise.

I don't really like to defend him because so far he hasn't been worth the pick but I do think he will be a long term kicker for someone.

This is about conduct and character. Not kicking ability. Don't get off topic. Deebo acted like a b***h. All those dropped passes and negative runs and he has a right to talk s**t to the kicker and grab someone by the throat?

I don't know what u guys do for a living but if you botched a presentation or a report or f**ked up a welder or did a poor electrical job, I'll grab you f**kers by the neck and I'm sure you'll think it's deserved.