Deebo Samuel-WR-South Carolina

Deebo played well yesterday. His best game of the year. The obvious question is why now? What changed? If he still has the ability, why did we only see it yesterday? I am happy to see it but , it does beg the question.. why now? It almost looks like an issue of effort and that's disappointing.

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:
Deebo played well yesterday. His best game of the year. The obvious question is why now? What changed? If he still has the ability, why did we only see it yesterday? I am happy to see it but , it does beg the question.. why now? It almost looks like an issue of effort and that's disappointing.

i think his ego was bruised so good on him he responded. he's still very poor production vs his contract and he's one of many i would like to see go at end of season.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
i think his ego was bruised so good on him he responded. he's still very poor production vs his contract and he's one of many i would like to see go at end of season.

A few times just looked like better opportunities schematically as well

Originally posted by 5thSFG:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
i think his ego was bruised so good on him he responded. he's still very poor production vs his contract and he's one of many i would like to see go at end of season.

A few times just looked like better opportunities schematically as well

ran that same stack concept he gets a free release and this time he caught the ball. but a lot of guys can run that. when you are paid like deebo is you can't show up to the party 2 or 3 times a season.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:
Deebo played well yesterday. His best game of the year. The obvious question is why now? What changed? If he still has the ability, why did we only see it yesterday? I am happy to see it but , it does beg the question.. why now? It almost looks like an issue of effort and that's disappointing.

i think his ego was bruised so good on him he responded. he's still very poor production vs his contract and he's one of many i would like to see go at end of season.

I love Deebo but he pissed me off. We needed that fire every weekend. Dude got paid. He has zero financial issues the rest of his of family's lives. He shouldnt need any motivation. Its disappointing.

Feature him these last two games and build up his trade value. Talent, no question but I've seen too many times where it seems that there is a disconnect. There are 10 teams picking ahead that would be surely enticed by his potential.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Afrikan:
Damned if you do, damned if you don't. lol. Folks exposing themselves as usual.

It is so easy winning debates with many of yall. Have been doing it for years. Y'all post based off emotion.. based off personal hate.. based off jealousy.

Sad.

Exposing. Personal hate. You have a history of passive aggressive accusations against other posters for being racist. I see nothing has changed.

Racist? For some, prejudice for sure. Some make it too obvious. Also some are not consistent with their critique of players or head coaches. Like they will let Kyle get away with s**t they would not let other coaches get away with (showing up drunk to our Super Bowl week, and making an idiotic decsion in OT...losing two Super Bowls).. let Jimmy G get away with s**t they would slam our past QBs for. Hell we have Brock doing a bunch of commercials, hell one week after we lost the Super Bowl.. and hell one RIGHT after we were eliminated today/loss. Like literally right after our game ended. But folks were bashing Kaepernick for doing commercials. Even when it was pointed out that Kap obviously did the commercials before the season started (just like Purdy), if didn't matter.

If some feel attacked for s**t like that being pointed out, well what does that say?

For Deebo, I've criticized folks for calling him fat and out of shape... for trying to change history and act like he always had catching issues. For you to jump to racism with that post, says more about you dude.

At least now you're being honest. So question. If people are being "prejudiced" as you say then why is Jennings liked by every single fan and poster, yet Deebo is criticized so harshly? Is it possible that there are other factors besides race as to why fans are critical of certain players over others?

Edit - and no, dude. You're not going to play that game with me. We've all seen you make these accusations in other situations, this time is no different. You stated that people are "exposing themselves" and displaying "personal hate." This has been your schtick for years. As I've asked you a dozen other times, if you're not referring to race, then what are you talking about?

Again your jumping to race with the Deebo s**t...

When I said exposed... yes personal hate regarding Deebo. Because the other reasons for hating on him are NOT true. He is not fat. He is not out of shape. He does not have catching issues.

So yes folks exposed themselves after the game because EVEN THOUGH he proved once again he is in shape... he is a play maker... yall still came into this thread and criticized him with some nonsense.

So now it's not that he is fat... out of shape... etc... it's that he's a paycheck player (how the f**k is this even a reasonable take when he already has his money, and will continue to get his money...with us or by someone else??? Even if he didn't play another game the rest of the season, he is still gonna get paid next year... will still make plays next year)

This is what you wrote after the game, weeks of calling him out of shape..

Yep you called it. He got it started a little early. Figured he'd leave everyone with a positive outlook after the last three meaningless games. Paycheck player.

You didn't come in here to say "
damn, I guess he is in shape.." or "ok good job let's see how he does the next few weeks as well"

No, you came in here and your first response is just some weird s**t about a paycheck player. So yeah, you have a personal issue with him. And you exposed yourself, after weeks of saying something that wasn't true (that he is out of shape).

As far as

"This has been your schtick for years. As I've asked you a dozen other times, if you're not referring to race, then what are you talking about?"

Again all I point out are the inconsistencies of some vocal posters' criticisms. Treating certain players different than others, and now treating certain head coaches different from others. I can't say why yall/they want to do that, but it is there. And I'll point that out...and will continue to point that out. The folks who read will take away their own conclusions from that. I don't have to use or throw out race or anything. If it doesn't seem to have to do with race, then the reader will feel that way. If they feel it has to do with race, well that will be the take away for them. Hilarious that your brought up Jennings.

1. If people are being "prejudiced" as you say then why is Jennings liked by every single fan and poster, yet Deebo is criticized so harshly? Is it possible that there are other factors besides race as to why fans are critical of certain players over others?

this is basically saying "We don't bash Jennings, who's black, so that makes us fair"..

When Jennings starts looking for what he is worth come contract time.. or defends himself for critique that he doesn't view as fair... basically starts opening his mouth for some... then hell f**king yeah those same fans will turn on him as well.

OF COURSE we treat different players/coaches differently - each player/coach has different attributes and successes/failures. This entire post of yours proves my point. Jennings being black and being universally liked while many are criticizing Deebo means that their blackness is not a factor. How can you possibly not understand this?

As far as Deebo being fat, I don't know why you continue to defend him here. He's always been pudgy and multiple people (includer a poster's wife lol) have commented on this. It's clear this season he was struggling with his weight as evidenced by the pictures he sent to Kyle showing that he was losing weight. It's an issue for him. And to be paying a guy top money to be a #1/#2 WR when he's struggling with food/weight issues is concerning.

The game yesterday 100% proved my point about his previous lack of effort. He sure as hell didn't lose weight over the past week nor anything other than just make it a point to try harder. He played a great game and was very effective. He broke more tackles on his TD drive than he has all season. So the question to you and 49ATT (the only two left defending him) is where has that been all season?

He knows damn well that people are noticing his lack of effort and he hears the criticisms. Can't imagine the coaches and perhaps teammates aren't getting on him. So he turned it up a notch. Just in time to make a good impression heading into the off season. Next season is a contract year for him, and he'll be playing for his last contract. If we can trade him for a 3-5th, I'd take it and use that salary savings for someone better fit to Purdy. But if not then just let him play for his next contract with his next team.

The criticisms of Deebo are absolutely fair and you should seriously drop this nonsense about people being racist/prejudiced and having "personal issues" with Deebo. None of us know any of these players personally. We're all giving our opinion based on their play and what they say in interviews about their play. If they give us a window into their personal lives, then those things get factored in too. There are plenty of threads in the politics forums where you can debate about racism, keep NT about football.

Since you keep wanting to push that, even after I told you numerous times that wasn't the case (hell you can go back the past few weeks in this thread and pull out all of my posts and none of them have nothing to do with race regarding Deebo).. but since you keep pushing that on me, it's time I stop wasting time explaining s**t to you... stop seeing your nonsense and delusional takes. Put that s**t on ignore. "Deebo Samuel is out of shape" the player we use the most. We ask the most from. Put in harms way the most... he is "out of shape" ridiculous.

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Originally posted by Afrikan:
Since you keep wanting to push that, even after I told you numerous times that wasn't the case (hell you can go back the past few weeks in this thread and pull out all of my posts and none of them have nothing to do with race regarding Deebo).. but since you keep pushing that on me, it's time I stop wasting time explaining s**t to you... stop seeing your nonsense and delusional takes. Put that s**t on ignore. "Deebo Samuel is out of shape" the player we use the most. We ask the most from. Put in harms way the most... he is "out of shape" ridiculous.

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Okay so for the 13th time now, if you're not insinuating racism/prejudiced, then what are you referring to? You have said several times that posters are "exposing themselves" and that people have "personal issues" with Deebo. You have stated dozens of times that people are not "fair" in their criticisms of "some players over others."

Every time I've given you a chance to explain this, you ignore it. And just keep repeating the same passive aggressive remarks. Quit being a b***h about it and say it outright.

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Yep you called it. He got it started a little early. Figured he'd leave everyone with a positive outlook after the last three meaningless games. Paycheck player.

You didn't come in here to say "
damn, I guess he is in shape.." or "ok good job let's see how he does the next few weeks as well"

No, you came in here and your first response is just some weird s**t about a paycheck player. So yeah, you have a personal issue with him. And you exposed yourself, after weeks of saying something that wasn't true (that he is out of shape).

I am not trying to jump into your argument, but since you quoted Furlow's response to MY post, I will just for this part.

I am a huge fan of Deebo. When he is on his game, he is as good a playmaker as there is. But at this point the ONLY reason I want him on this team is because I think he will ball out in a CONTRACT YEAR. I would rather see what he can do when he knows he has big money on the line rather than dump him for a middle round pick that could likely amount to nothing.

So yeah I think Deebo will be very money motivated next season. That has nothing to do with me having a personal issue with him.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Yep you called it. He got it started a little early. Figured he'd leave everyone with a positive outlook after the last three meaningless games. Paycheck player.

You didn't come in here to say "
damn, I guess he is in shape.." or "ok good job let's see how he does the next few weeks as well"

No, you came in here and your first response is just some weird s**t about a paycheck player. So yeah, you have a personal issue with him. And you exposed yourself, after weeks of saying something that wasn't true (that he is out of shape).

I am not trying to jump into your argument, but since you quoted Furlow's response to MY post, I will just for this part.

I am a huge fan of Deebo. When he is on his game, he is as good a playmaker as there is. But at this point the ONLY reason I want him on this team is because I think he will ball out in a CONTRACT YEAR. I would rather see what he can do when he knows he has big money on the line rather than dump him for a middle round pick that could likely amount to nothing.

So yeah I think Deebo will be very money motivated next season. That has nothing to do with me having a personal issue with him.

I don't know, when I see Deebo out on that field... he still tries to do so much to make a play. I've seen unmotivated players....players that don't give it their all. hell, I know you have.. I've seen players shy away from hits. Even at his worse, I never got that feeling from Deebo.

Again when I've seen Deebo struggle out there, it was more of him pressing... just like Purdy. The pressure to make up for the offense's struggles (be it injuries or play).

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Yep you called it. He got it started a little early. Figured he'd leave everyone with a positive outlook after the last three meaningless games. Paycheck player.

You didn't come in here to say "
damn, I guess he is in shape.." or "ok good job let's see how he does the next few weeks as well"

No, you came in here and your first response is just some weird s**t about a paycheck player. So yeah, you have a personal issue with him. And you exposed yourself, after weeks of saying something that wasn't true (that he is out of shape).

I am not trying to jump into your argument, but since you quoted Furlow's response to MY post, I will just for this part.

I am a huge fan of Deebo. When he is on his game, he is as good a playmaker as there is. But at this point the ONLY reason I want him on this team is because I think he will ball out in a CONTRACT YEAR. I would rather see what he can do when he knows he has big money on the line rather than dump him for a middle round pick that could likely amount to nothing.

So yeah I think Deebo will be very money motivated next season. That has nothing to do with me having a personal issue with him.

I don't know, when I see Deebo out on that field... he still tries to do so much to make a play. I've seen unmotivated players....players that don't give it their all. hell, I know you have.. I've seen players shy away from hits. Even at his worse, I never got that feeling from Deebo.

Again when I've seen Deebo struggle out there, it was more of him pressing... just like Purdy. The pressure to make up for the offense's struggles (be it injuries or play).

Well, Deebo had his career year the season before he held out/was going to ask for an extension. So while I dont necessarily disagree with your take that he hasnt been an unmotivated player, it is indisputable that he played his best when he was looking for big money the following year. He will be 30 next year, and likely looking for his last big(ish) contract of his career. He will be beyond motivated, and I want that type of player on my team next year.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Well, Deebo had his career year the season before he held out/was going to ask for an extension. So while I dont necessarily disagree with your take that he hasnt been an unmotivated player, it is indisputable that he played his best when he was looking for big money the following year. He will be 30 next year, and likely looking for his last big(ish) contract of his career. He will be beyond motivated, and I want that type of player on my team next year.

i question the legs and fitness. he's not a young man making his mark anymore. WRs hit the wall around 32 and Rbs at late 20's. he was RB / WR hybrid. he's at the wall is my guess. that's why you get good games every 5 weeks or so. eventually it's good games 0% of the time.

Bum ass, talking about give me the ball, both McCaffrey & Ayuik are injured and he can't make a play the way before he got paid smh

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Yep you called it. He got it started a little early. Figured he'd leave everyone with a positive outlook after the last three meaningless games. Paycheck player.

You didn't come in here to say "
damn, I guess he is in shape.." or "ok good job let's see how he does the next few weeks as well"

No, you came in here and your first response is just some weird s**t about a paycheck player. So yeah, you have a personal issue with him. And you exposed yourself, after weeks of saying something that wasn't true (that he is out of shape).

I am not trying to jump into your argument, but since you quoted Furlow's response to MY post, I will just for this part.

I am a huge fan of Deebo. When he is on his game, he is as good a playmaker as there is. But at this point the ONLY reason I want him on this team is because I think he will ball out in a CONTRACT YEAR. I would rather see what he can do when he knows he has big money on the line rather than dump him for a middle round pick that could likely amount to nothing.

So yeah I think Deebo will be very money motivated next season. That has nothing to do with me having a personal issue with him.

I don't know, when I see Deebo out on that field... he still tries to do so much to make a play. I've seen unmotivated players....players that don't give it their all. hell, I know you have.. I've seen players shy away from hits. Even at his worse, I never got that feeling from Deebo.

Again when I've seen Deebo struggle out there, it was more of him pressing... just like Purdy. The pressure to make up for the offense's struggles (be it injuries or play).

Well, Deebo had his career year the season before he held out/was going to ask for an extension. So while I dont necessarily disagree with your take that he hasnt been an unmotivated player, it is indisputable that he played his best when he was looking for big money the following year. He will be 30 next year, and likely looking for his last big(ish) contract of his career. He will be beyond motivated, and I want that type of player on my team next year.

He'll be 29 next year

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Well, Deebo had his career year the season before he held out/was going to ask for an extension. So while I dont necessarily disagree with your take that he hasnt been an unmotivated player, it is indisputable that he played his best when he was looking for big money the following year. He will be 30 next year, and likely looking for his last big(ish) contract of his career. He will be beyond motivated, and I want that type of player on my team next year.

i question the legs and fitness. he's not a young man making his mark anymore. WRs hit the wall around 32 and Rbs at late 20's. he was RB / WR hybrid. he's at the wall is my guess. that's why you get good games every 5 weeks or so. eventually it's good games 0% of the time.

SWH's point, which I agree with, is the dead money is too much to cut him before next season, so might as well ride it out and hope he plays hard for his next contract. I still say if he has two more good games to finish strong in 2024, and we can get a mid round pick (and someone to take his salary next season), we should take it. I just don't think anyone would give up a pick to take on that contract. Maybe if they work out an extension or something.