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Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by Hawaii49er:
Holy crap. That's impressive. Even though I thought we could have had better, like Butler, if that's a small sample how he works off the field, look out. I sure hope he proves most of us wrong.

The NFL was so impressed by Butler that he went in the 4th round.

There are parts of his game that are really impressive but I think too many minimized his weaknesses. Samuel is easily a better overall receiver.

If we didn't take Deebo 36, where would he have gone?

Most pre-draft had Butler higher than Deebo but it's splitting hairs. Cossell as well.

And we'll get to see it live twice a year now for the next 4 years.

Butler was ranked higher among TV analysts because they don't take into account scheme fit and base it off highlights, measurables and production only. Butler's big negative is kind of like a glaring injury history on a player. The best ability is availability. Well, you're not a receiver if you can't catch the ball. Not to sound too John Madden, but you can't catch the ball if you can't catch the ball. His drops and bad hands were a major concern. Probably cost him at least 2 rounds.

MadDog:
36 Hakeem Butler Iowa St WR
39 Deebo Samuel South Carolina WR

That's where I'd slot them too. Crock also broke him down IIRC and felt the drops were correctable and also a product of someone asked to play in traffic a lot and being targeted defensively (Peacock).

Deebo has chronic hamstring issues and is vertically challenged. Missed more games with an ankle. Otherwise, he's ideal. In fact, he can jump out of the building so his height might not be as much of a weakness at the Z.

I'm with Greg Cossell on this one.

But I really like both a lot and both will be monsters in their respective offenses (WCO/NE & AR).
Originally posted by NCommand:
MadDog:
36 Hakeem Butler Iowa St WR
39 Deebo Samuel South Carolina WR

That's where I'd slot them too. Crock also broke him down IIRC and felt the drops were correctable and also a product of someone asked to play in traffic a lot and being targeted defensively (Peacock).

Deebo has chronic hamstring issues and is vertically challenged. Missed more games with an ankle. Otherwise, he's ideal. In fact, he can jump out of the building so his height might not be as much of a weakness at the Z.

I'm with Greg Cossell on this one.

But I really like both a lot and both will be monsters in their respective offenses (WCO/NE & AR).

Originally posted by Garce:
Originally posted by NCommand:
MadDog:
36 Hakeem Butler Iowa St WR
39 Deebo Samuel South Carolina WR

That's where I'd slot them too. Crock also broke him down IIRC and felt the drops were correctable and also a product of someone asked to play in traffic a lot and being targeted defensively (Peacock).

Deebo has chronic hamstring issues and is vertically challenged. Missed more games with an ankle. Otherwise, he's ideal. In fact, he can jump out of the building so his height might not be as much of a weakness at the Z.

I'm with Greg Cossell on this one.

But I really like both a lot and both will be monsters in their respective offenses (WCO/NE & AR).


Means he's short
Originally posted by NCommand:
MadDog:
36 Hakeem Butler Iowa St WR
39 Deebo Samuel South Carolina WR

That's where I'd slot them too. Crock also broke him down IIRC and felt the drops were correctable and also a product of someone asked to play in traffic a lot and being targeted defensively (Peacock).

Deebo has chronic hamstring issues and is vertically challenged. Missed more games with an ankle. Otherwise, he's ideal. In fact, he can jump out of the building so his height might not be as much of a weakness at the Z.

I'm with Greg Cossell on this one.

But I really like both a lot and both will be monsters in their respective offenses (WCO/NE & AR).

How is he vertically challenged? Dude makes catches down field. He's got 4.4s speed.

He's also rocking a 39" vert so he's got hops, if that's what you're referring too.
Originally posted by Alfienator:
Means he's short

Thank god we didn't get OBJ then....would have been some real upset size queens in here

they're the same height, have the same hand size, they ran damn near the same 40, have the same vert/BJ as well.

Oh and Deebo is almost 20lbs bigger.
[ Edited by NYniner85 on May 2, 2019 at 2:57 PM ]
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Alfienator:
Means he's short

Thank god we didn't get OBJ then....would have been some real upset size queens in here

they're the same height, have the same hand size, they ran damn near the same 40, have the same vert/BJ as well.

Oh and Deebo is almost 20lbs bigger.

Easy there Napoleon
5'0'' and above is "great" length.
Originally posted by NCommand:
MadDog:
36 Hakeem Butler Iowa St WR
39 Deebo Samuel South Carolina WR




He had Kolton Miller well ahead of Mike McGlinchey last year. Which one would you take now? He does a great job with the draft but he also has his fair share of misses like the rest of us.
im coming around on Deebo...i didnt like the pick at first, i wanted AJ Brown but watching highlights and him saying he models his game after Q makes me like him even more!
Scot's drunk again.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by NCommand:
MadDog:
36 Hakeem Butler Iowa St WR
39 Deebo Samuel South Carolina WR


He had Kolton Miller well ahead of Mike McGlinchey last year. Which one would you take now? He does a great job with the draft but he also has his fair share of misses like the rest of us.

So did the Raiders. LOL. Oops. Yeah he'll tell you OL is not his strongest suit.
[ Edited by NCommand on May 2, 2019 at 4:08 PM ]
Originally posted by zonkers:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Alfienator:
Means he's short

Thank god we didn't get OBJ then....would have been some real upset size queens in here

they're the same height, have the same hand size, they ran damn near the same 40, have the same vert/BJ as well.

Oh and Deebo is almost 20lbs bigger.

Easy there Napoleon
5'0'' and above is "great" length.

Yeah, Russell Wilson and Kyler Murray would not approve.
Originally posted by NCommand:
So did the Raiders. LOL. Oops. Yeah he'll tell you OL is not his strongest suit.

No, the Raiders were reportedly set on taking McGlinchey. Once the 49ers took him, Oakland traded back and settled for the second best tackle on their board. Instead they should have opted for Derwin James. Another example of where reaching for need screws you.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by NCommand:
MadDog:
36 Hakeem Butler Iowa St WR
39 Deebo Samuel South Carolina WR


He had Kolton Miller well ahead of Mike McGlinchey last year. Which one would you take now? He does a great job with the draft but he also has his fair share of misses like the rest of us.

Love MD scouting breakdowns. But sometimes people act like he can do no wrong.

The fact is that we all aren't perfect. MD does an amazing job though and he clearly puts a lot of time into his rankings.

I personally think MD will be wrong about Hurd evaluation but its easy to nitpick someone's board from afar, I once though David Sills was a top 4 WR in this class, it doesn't look good now lol.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by NCommand:
MadDog:
36 Hakeem Butler Iowa St WR
39 Deebo Samuel South Carolina WR


He had Kolton Miller well ahead of Mike McGlinchey last year. Which one would you take now? He does a great job with the draft but he also has his fair share of misses like the rest of us.

So did the Raiders. LOL. Oops. Yeah he'll tell you OL is not his strongest suit.

Raiders didn't have Miller ahead of MM. they took miller because Niners took MM which is why the coin toss ended up being so big
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