Deebo Samuel-WR-South Carolina

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by Jakemall:

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Originally posted by Jakemall:
100m 4 year extension with say 30m guaranteed.

That's the reason he's pissed off in the 1st place, that guaranteed $ is a joke.

How is that a joke? Basically, a third of his income is guaranteed even if he falls off the planet. Davante Adams has the 2nd highest annual paycheck for a WR in the NFL and he has a 22m guarantee. Not to mention that every WR in the top 5 have 2 solid years or more production than Deebo. Looking through contracts 30-40 is the average. So bump it up another 5-10 million of guaranteed.

If that's why he's pissed off, then he's being petty. That's a negotiation point, not a reason to fly off the handle.

Here is the detail to Adams Contract with Raiders:
Contract:5 yr(s) / $140,000,000
Signing Bonus$19,250,000
Average Salary$28,000,000
Total Guarantees$65,670,000
Guaranteed at Signing$22,750,000
Free Agent:2027 / UFA
Contract Notes:
$22.75M guaranteed at signing (signing bonus + 2022 salary)
Another $42.92M fully guarantees in March 2023
2023 Roster Bonus: $20M (fully guarantees March 2023, injury guaranteed at signing)
Per Game Active Bonus: $29,411 ($500,000, 16 LTBE in 2022)
Pro Bowl: $250,000

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/las-vegas-raiders/davante-adams-14463/

I already suggested, they should give deebo AT MOST 3 year 75M contract, 22M per year up to 25M if he meets all incentives such as 1k+ receiving yards 10+ receiving tds 300+ rushing yards 5+ rushing TDs probowls etc, 44M guaranteed, no guarantees last year but up for contract extension, 20M Signing bonus (aka Jimmy's Bill) and work out the details on all the incentives..

They need to get rid of Jimmy G and his 26M+ first.

Yup. The hold up is that signing bonus. Deebo is just being impatient. FO does not want to lose that $7.5 million so they are playing the waiting game.

Jimmy is gone by July. They need to pay him if not which would be dumb AF because they don't need him anymore and they want to use his 26M+ else where and still get compensation.

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by Jakemall:

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Originally posted by Jakemall:

100m 4 year extension with say 30m guaranteed.

That's the reason he's pissed off in the 1st place, that guaranteed $ is a joke.

How is that a joke? Basically, a third of his income is guaranteed even if he falls off the planet. Davante Adams has the 2nd highest annual paycheck for a WR in the NFL and he has a 22m guarantee. Not to mention that every WR in the top 5 have 2 solid years or more production than Deebo. Looking through contracts 30-40 is the average. So bump it up another 5-10 million of guaranteed.

If that's why he's pissed off, then he's being petty. That's a negotiation point, not a reason to fly off the handle.

Here is the detail to Adams Contract with Raiders:
Contract:5 yr(s) / $140,000,000
Signing Bonus$19,250,000
Average Salary$28,000,000
Total Guarantees$65,670,000
Guaranteed at Signing$22,750,000
Free Agent:2027 / UFA
Contract Notes:
$22.75M guaranteed at signing (signing bonus + 2022 salary)
Another $42.92M fully guarantees in March 2023
2023 Roster Bonus: $20M (fully guarantees March 2023, injury guaranteed at signing)
Per Game Active Bonus: $29,411 ($500,000, 16 LTBE in 2022)
Pro Bowl: $250,000

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/las-vegas-raiders/davante-adams-14463/

I already suggested, they should give deebo at most 3 year 75M contract, 22M per year up to 25M if he meets all incentives such as 1k+ receiving yards 10+ receiving tds 300+ rushing yards 5+ rushing TDs probowls etc, 44M guaranteed, no guarantees last year but up for contract extension, 20M Signing bonus (aka Jimmy's Bill) and work out the details on all the incentives..

They need to get rid of Jimmy G and his 26M+ first.

One of multiple routes they can take.

No. The route they will take. Jimmy is gone by July.
And is deebo traded tonight? Most likely not.

Not saying they wont take this route. But its not the only route. Highly doubt Deebo traded as well.

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Originally posted by Jakemall:

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Originally posted by Jakemall:
100m 4 year extension with say 30m guaranteed.

That's the reason he's pissed off in the 1st place, that guaranteed $ is a joke.

How is that a joke? Basically, a third of his income is guaranteed even if he falls off the planet. Davante Adams has the 2nd highest annual paycheck for a WR in the NFL and he has a 22m guarantee. Not to mention that every WR in the top 5 have 2 solid years or more production than Deebo. Looking through contracts 30-40 is the average. So bump it up another 5-10 million of guaranteed.

If that's why he's pissed off, then he's being petty. That's a negotiation point, not a reason to fly off the handle.

There's zero chance a guy in Deebo's position is going to take less than half the guaranteed money that Adams just took lol. All the other numbers are fluff.

Tyreek has 72.2 million in guarantees
Adams has 67.5 million in guarantees
Diggs has 50 million in guarantees

You actually expect Deebo to accept 30? No chance

Adam's was 22 million at signing... the additional guarantees come later.

Originally posted by Jakemall:

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Originally posted by Jakemall:

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Originally posted by Jakemall:
100m 4 year extension with say 30m guaranteed.

That's the reason he's pissed off in the 1st place, that guaranteed $ is a joke.

How is that a joke? Basically, a third of his income is guaranteed even if he falls off the planet. Davante Adams has the 2nd highest annual paycheck for a WR in the NFL and he has a 22m guarantee. Not to mention that every WR in the top 5 have 2 solid years or more production than Deebo. Looking through contracts 30-40 is the average. So bump it up another 5-10 million of guaranteed.

If that's why he's pissed off, then he's being petty. That's a negotiation point, not a reason to fly off the handle.

There's zero chance a guy in Deebo's position is going to take less than half the guaranteed money that Adams just took lol. All the other numbers are fluff.

Tyreek has 72.2 million in guarantees
Adams has 67.5 million in guarantees
Diggs has 50 million in guarantees

You actually expect Deebo to accept 30? No chance

Adam's was 22 million at signing... the additional guarantees come later.

It doesn't matter when it comes imo, guaranteed is the key word. APY is all fluff and filler, the players want to know how much $ they are for sure getting before they get cut, injured, or broke down.

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Originally posted by Jakemall:

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Originally posted by Jakemall:

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Originally posted by Jakemall:
100m 4 year extension with say 30m guaranteed.

That's the reason he's pissed off in the 1st place, that guaranteed $ is a joke.

How is that a joke? Basically, a third of his income is guaranteed even if he falls off the planet. Davante Adams has the 2nd highest annual paycheck for a WR in the NFL and he has a 22m guarantee. Not to mention that every WR in the top 5 have 2 solid years or more production than Deebo. Looking through contracts 30-40 is the average. So bump it up another 5-10 million of guaranteed.

If that's why he's pissed off, then he's being petty. That's a negotiation point, not a reason to fly off the handle.

There's zero chance a guy in Deebo's position is going to take less than half the guaranteed money that Adams just took lol. All the other numbers are fluff.

Tyreek has 72.2 million in guarantees
Adams has 67.5 million in guarantees
Diggs has 50 million in guarantees

You actually expect Deebo to accept 30? No chance

Adam's was 22 million at signing... the additional guarantees come later.

It doesn't matter when it comes imo, guaranteed is the key word. APY is all fluff and filler, the players want to know how much $ they are for sure getting before they get cut, injured, or broke down.

So it doesn't matter? Fine. 75million guaranteed. After 3 years of the contract completed. Until then 25 million. Doesn't matter..mummble grumble moan...

So people still think we are trading Deebo for a boatload of picks teams can't get back, and the teams that want him are waiving in person visits and him passing a physical? I guess it could be, but it sounds risky for the GM on the buying side.

Originally posted by Jakemall:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Yup. The hold up is that signing bonus. Deebo is just being impatient. FO does not want to lose that $7.5 million so they are playing the waiting game.

This is why you extend instead of just making a new contract. Deebo gets some spending money in the way of a signing bonus and some guarantees on the back end. The 9ers get a budget friendly but well paid WR.

"With the signing bonus for the extension, it actually impacts the cap every year of his entire contract, rather than just the years extended. This means that Rodgers' signing bonus will be worth $5 million against the cap each year for the next seven years. Any previous signing bonus will still count for the years under the previous contract."

Like I stated earlier, the signing bonus impacts the cap every year of the entire contract. Not just the years extended.

Originally posted by ltrain:
Selfishly I want deebo traded for something to watch tonight. Overall what is best for the team is a boring night.

John Lynch did say that we had to expect a boring first round.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Jakemall:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Yup. The hold up is that signing bonus. Deebo is just being impatient. FO does not want to lose that $7.5 million so they are playing the waiting game.

This is why you extend instead of just making a new contract. Deebo gets some spending money in the way of a signing bonus and some guarantees on the back end. The 9ers get a budget friendly but well paid WR.

"With the signing bonus for the extension, it actually impacts the cap every year of his entire contract, rather than just the years extended. This means that Rodgers' signing bonus will be worth $5 million against the cap each year for the next seven years. Any previous signing bonus will still count for the years under the previous contract."

Like I stated earlier, the signing bonus impacts the cap every yeae of the entire contract. Not just the years extended.

We are on the same page.

Originally posted by Jakemall:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by Jakemall:

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Originally posted by Jakemall:
100m 4 year extension with say 30m guaranteed.

That's the reason he's pissed off in the 1st place, that guaranteed $ is a joke.

How is that a joke? Basically, a third of his income is guaranteed even if he falls off the planet. Davante Adams has the 2nd highest annual paycheck for a WR in the NFL and he has a 22m guarantee. Not to mention that every WR in the top 5 have 2 solid years or more production than Deebo. Looking through contracts 30-40 is the average. So bump it up another 5-10 million of guaranteed.

If that's why he's pissed off, then he's being petty. That's a negotiation point, not a reason to fly off the handle.

Here is the detail to Adams Contract with Raiders:
Contract:5 yr(s) / $140,000,000
Signing Bonus$19,250,000
Average Salary$28,000,000
Total Guarantees$65,670,000
Guaranteed at Signing$22,750,000
Free Agent:2027 / UFA
Contract Notes:
$22.75M guaranteed at signing (signing bonus + 2022 salary)
Another $42.92M fully guarantees in March 2023
2023 Roster Bonus: $20M (fully guarantees March 2023, injury guaranteed at signing)
Per Game Active Bonus: $29,411 ($500,000, 16 LTBE in 2022)
Pro Bowl: $250,000

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/las-vegas-raiders/davante-adams-14463/

I already suggested, they should give deebo AT MOST 3 year 75M contract, 22M per year up to 25M if he meets all incentives such as 1k+ receiving yards 10+ receiving tds 300+ rushing yards 5+ rushing TDs probowls etc, 44M guaranteed, no guarantees last year but up for contract extension, 20M Signing bonus (aka Jimmy's Bill) and work out the details on all the incentives..

They need to get rid of Jimmy G and his 26M+ first.

We're not so far apart. I'd prefer the extra year though and 25m.

Why pay more just lace the contract with a bunch of incentives, and with deebos playing style and usage and only 1 year of production thus far, it's better and smarter to go a shorter contract than a longer one, 2 year is even better but deebo probably won't want to sign a 2 year deal and less guaranteed money so you give him 20M~ signing bonus straight to the bank and his greedy agent to shut them up and 44M total guaranteed in the 2nd year on active roster and call it a day and see how well he continues to perform in the next 3 years edging close to 30 years old before BA takes over if that's the case, that way you can pay BA and move on from deebo if deebo declines.

Originally posted by pdc20:

Originally posted by ltrain:

Selfishly I want deebo traded for something to watch tonight. Overall what is best for the team is a boring night.

John Lynch did say that we had to expect a boring first round.

Fingers crossed for boring!

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by pdc20:

Originally posted by ltrain:
Selfishly I want deebo traded for something to watch tonight. Overall what is best for the team is a boring night.

John Lynch did say that we had to expect a boring first round.

Fingers crossed for boring!

If they can't get their differences ironed out, they can always tag him and trade him next year.

If they sign him do it for three years and see if he can keep up the production. Atleast the contract won't weigh us down for half a decade if he turns back into a pumpkin next year

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:
Why pay more just lace the contract with a bunch of incentives, and with deebos playing style and usage and only 1 year of production thus far, it's better and smarter to go a shorter contract than a longer one, 2 year is even better but deebo probably won't want to sign a 2 year deal and less guaranteed money so you give him 20M~ signing bonus straight to the bank and his greedy agent to shut them up and 44M total guaranteed in the 2nd year on active roster and call it a day and see how well he continues to perform in the next 3 years edging close to 30 years old before BA takes over if that's the case, that way you can pay BA and move on from deebo if deebo declines.

I'm just adding an extra year of contract for 25 million. By the time that year comes along, 25 million won't mean as much and if he isn't still worth it, he'd be gone already anyway. I absolutely agree in incentivizing the contract as a whole.

Originally posted by mayo49:
He won't go anywhere until next year.

Please tell me you won't be asking for 'Deebo trade news' all next year