Deebo Samuel-WR-South Carolina

Originally posted by NCommand:
Now that would be awesome.

AND impossible

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Oscar8325:
Cowherd just proposed this trade if it had to happen. Jets get Deebo for picks #10, #38 and next years 3rd rounder. Is that enough? I'd seriously consider that one.

10, 35, 2nd next year.

At least 35 and not 38. I'm a little flexible on next year.

I agree - I want #35 and a 2nd next year or #38 this year.

I just want Deebo to be a 49er 4 life.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Oscar8325:
Cowherd just proposed this trade if it had to happen. Jets get Deebo for picks #10, #38 and next years 3rd rounder. Is that enough? I'd seriously consider that one.

hahah, AT LEAST TWO 1sts!

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I know that the 2 situations aren't completely the same because Rodgers would get his previous signing bonus plus the new signing bonus. However, Deebo would still get his signing bonus this year if he signed an extension because it impacts the entire length of the contract and not just the extended years.

Cant signing bonuses be spread out however they want to be though?

read here that Warner and Kittle's extension didn't increase their cap hit in their final year

Warner's extension kept his 2021 salary cap number the same, Kittle's in 2020 was about $3M more, if Deebo were to extend his deal, they'd likely do what they did with Warner, since they don't have any cap room right now, or they redo Trent's deal, save $4.904M, but that'd be best done before the season, and then Deebo would get like a $15M signing bonus this year, then they could add in a $15M-$20M option bonus in 2023 that's protected, so he's GTD to get it, but if exercised, it prorates over the final years of the deal, if it's a 5yr extension, then it prorates over the final 5.

As for Rodgers, the Packers either didn't do a signing bonus, or they did back to back option bonuses, which isn't done much, or what we did with Warner, Trent, Kittle, etc.... The option bonus in year 2.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Oscar8325:
Cowherd just proposed this trade if it had to happen. Jets get Deebo for picks #10, #38 and next years 3rd rounder. Is that enough? I'd seriously consider that one.

hahah, AT LEAST TWO 1sts!

Nope not enough, would want 10, one of their 2nd's, their 3rd, a 2023 day 2 pick, and Elijah Moore, or if no Moore, then a 2023 1st instead of a day 2 pick, then we can start talking, but I rather we don't trade him, and we work whatever needs to be worked out with him.

The "none of these scenarios" option seems like the most likely thing. Deebo will still be a Niner. The drama will still be continuing. Jimmy will still be a Niner. The drama will be continuing.

Queue the "Deebo is going to hold (in)" theme. He'll show up to camp and be nursing some soft tissue issue all off-season until he's signed.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I know that the 2 situations aren't completely the same because Rodgers would get his previous signing bonus plus the new signing bonus. However, Deebo would still get his signing bonus this year if he signed an extension because it impacts the entire length of the contract and not just the extended years.

Cant signing bonuses be spread out however they want to be though?

read here that Warner and Kittle's extension didn't increase their cap hit in their final year

Warner's extension kept his 2021 salary cap number the same, Kittle's in 2020 was about $3M more, if Deebo were to extend his deal, they'd likely do what they did with Warner, since they don't have any cap room right now, or they redo Trent's deal, save $4.904M, but that'd be best done before the season, and then Deebo would get like a $15M signing bonus this year, then they could add in a $15M-$20M option bonus in 2023 that's protected, so he's GTD to get it, but if exercised, it prorates over the final years of the deal, if it's a 5yr extension, then it prorates over the final 5.

As for Rodgers, the Packers either didn't do a signing bonus, or they did back to back option bonuses, which isn't done much, or what we did with Warner, Trent, Kittle, etc.... The option bonus in year 2.

So what youre really saying is they should have no issue getting a deal done now and Jimmy has nothing to do with it?

Originally posted by Oilcan:
Waiting to see who's on the clock at 10 is a ridiculous take . So the Niners are ALL in on Deebo UNLESS player X is available at 10 then they will trade him. If that is the case just trade him because he's really going to be butt hurt when he hears that and you will never be able to smooth things over.

I agree, in a normal negotiation, wouldn't you just say your guys wasn't there so the other team would have to sweeten the deal?

The only thing I can think of is because they have a relationship with Saleh, they would probably be a little more honest.

One plausible scenario is, Lynch could be saying that we need # 4 because we only have 7 or so players in the top tier, and the jets said, we can't do 4, but if one of your top 7 fell to 10 would you accept this package including 10?🤷🏽‍♂️

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Warner's extension kept his 2021 salary cap number the same, Kittle's in 2020 was about $3M more, if Deebo were to extend his deal, they'd likely do what they did with Warner, since they don't have any cap room right now, or they redo Trent's deal, save $4.904M, but that'd be best done before the season, and then Deebo would get like a $15M signing bonus this year, then they could add in a $15M-$20M option bonus in 2023 that's protected, so he's GTD to get it, but if exercised, it prorates over the final years of the deal, if it's a 5yr extension, then it prorates over the final 5.

As for Rodgers, the Packers either didn't do a signing bonus, or they did back to back option bonuses, which isn't done much, or what we did with Warner, Trent, Kittle, etc.... The option bonus in year 2.

This isn't correct

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/fred-warner-25169/#:~:text=Fred%20Warner%20signed%20a%205,average%20annual%20salary%20of%20%2419%2C045%2C000.

You will see Fred's Signing bonus is in line in2021 as it was the rest of the contract. Both of his signing bonuses counted towards 2021s cap

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I know that the 2 situations aren't completely the same because Rodgers would get his previous signing bonus plus the new signing bonus. However, Deebo would still get his signing bonus this year if he signed an extension because it impacts the entire length of the contract and not just the extended years.

Cant signing bonuses be spread out however they want to be though?

read here that Warner and Kittle's extension didn't increase their cap hit in their final year

Warner's extension kept his 2021 salary cap number the same, Kittle's in 2020 was about $3M more, if Deebo were to extend his deal, they'd likely do what they did with Warner, since they don't have any cap room right now, or they redo Trent's deal, save $4.904M, but that'd be best done before the season, and then Deebo would get like a $15M signing bonus this year, then they could add in a $15M-$20M option bonus in 2023 that's protected, so he's GTD to get it, but if exercised, it prorates over the final years of the deal, if it's a 5yr extension, then it prorates over the final 5.

As for Rodgers, the Packers either didn't do a signing bonus, or they did back to back option bonuses, which isn't done much, or what we did with Warner, Trent, Kittle, etc.... The option bonus in year 2.

So what youre really saying is they should have no issue getting a deal done now and Jimmy has nothing to do with it?

Which is what my belief has been from the jump. Contracts can be structured any way we would like.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Now that would be awesome.

AND impossible

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Oscar8325:
Cowherd just proposed this trade if it had to happen. Jets get Deebo for picks #10, #38 and next years 3rd rounder. Is that enough? I'd seriously consider that one.

hahah, AT LEAST TWO 1sts!

Nope not enough, would want 10, one of their 2nd's, their 3rd, a 2023 day 2 pick, and Elijah Moore, or if no Moore, then a 2023 1st instead of a day 2 pick, then we can start talking, but I rather we don't trade him, and we work whatever needs to be worked out with him.

That would be considered daylight robbery. No way the Jets give up all of that for receiver. That would be a crazy haul. I think a 10th, swap 2nd round picks and maybe a future 2nd would be more realistic.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I know that the 2 situations aren't completely the same because Rodgers would get his previous signing bonus plus the new signing bonus. However, Deebo would still get his signing bonus this year if he signed an extension because it impacts the entire length of the contract and not just the extended years.

Cant signing bonuses be spread out however they want to be though?

read here that Warner and Kittle's extension didn't increase their cap hit in their final year

Warner's extension kept his 2021 salary cap number the same, Kittle's in 2020 was about $3M more, if Deebo were to extend his deal, they'd likely do what they did with Warner, since they don't have any cap room right now, or they redo Trent's deal, save $4.904M, but that'd be best done before the season, and then Deebo would get like a $15M signing bonus this year, then they could add in a $15M-$20M option bonus in 2023 that's protected, so he's GTD to get it, but if exercised, it prorates over the final years of the deal, if it's a 5yr extension, then it prorates over the final 5.

As for Rodgers, the Packers either didn't do a signing bonus, or they did back to back option bonuses, which isn't done much, or what we did with Warner, Trent, Kittle, etc.... The option bonus in year 2.

So what youre really saying is they should have no issue getting a deal done now and Jimmy has nothing to do with it?

Which is what my belief has been from the jump. Contracts can be structured any way we would like.

yeah bro, but that strange cat is dying on that hill lol

Kriz, I know signing bonuses count towards the cap. The opposite has never been my belief. I just was going off the idea that signing bonuses can be spread out and structed anyway they would like, just like annual salaries can. Are you saying that is incorrect?

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by thl408:
For real? If Deebo signs a contract extension then the signing bonus counts towards the 2022 cap?

Yes

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:
Signing bonuses spread over first 5 years of contract.

Who is correct? Because these are two different answers.

"Aaron Rodgers recently signed a five-year extension with a $35 million signing bonus to extend his contract though the 2019 season. With the signing bonus for the extension, it actually impacts the cap every year of his entire contract, rather than just the years extended. This means that Rodgers' signing bonus will be worth $5 million against the cap each year for the next seven years. Any previous signing bonus will still count for the years under the previous contract."

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1665623-how-does-the-salary-cap-work-in-the-nfl#:~:text=With the signing bonus for the extension, it,count for the years under the previous contract.

Different situation. Rodgers has signing bonus already to work off. Deebo did not.

That's exactly what deebo wants, the signing bonus aka money straight to the bank (and obviously guaranteed money as much as possible) when he signs a new contract (in this situation, an extension), aka Jimmy's money when he is dumped. How hard is it for people to understand that lol. Must be bitter Jimmy fans.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by thl408:
For real? If Deebo signs a contract extension then the signing bonus counts towards the 2022 cap?

Yes

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:
Signing bonuses spread over first 5 years of contract.

Who is correct? Because these are two different answers.

"Aaron Rodgers recently signed a five-year extension with a $35 million signing bonus to extend his contract though the 2019 season. With the signing bonus for the extension, it actually impacts the cap every year of his entire contract, rather than just the years extended. This means that Rodgers' signing bonus will be worth $5 million against the cap each year for the next seven years. Any previous signing bonus will still count for the years under the previous contract."

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1665623-how-does-the-salary-cap-work-in-the-nfl#:~:text=With%20the%20signing%20bonus%20for%20the%20extension%2C%20it,count%20for%20the%20years%20under%20the%20previous%20contract.

Different situation. Rodgers has signing bonus already to work off. Deebo did not.

That's exactly what deebo wants, the signing bonus aka money straight to the bank (and obviously guaranteed money as much as possible) when he signs a new contract (in this situation, an extension), aka Jimmy's money when he is dumped. How hard is it for people to understand that lol. Must be bitter Jimmy fans.

Fr fr. I mentioned this early this morning and everyone ignored. Atleast my efforts aren't going completely unnoticed.

I mean, what else would be holding things up? No way Deebo just doesn't want play for Shanahan anymore. What WR wouldn't want to play for Shanahan? Why would Shanahan finally have his guy and then let him walk when he is due for an extension? Its MONEY. Its always about the MONEY. The 49ers are playing the waiting game and Deebo is being impatient.

People like to argue over nothing because of toxic ego and intimidated by someone else's confidence and or knowledge they don't have or is confused on.