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Originally posted by Costanza:
Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
Originally posted by Costanza:
Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
Originally posted by Costanza:
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by Costanza:
Please trade him today. I don't want another few months of Deebo and the Niners going back-and-forth.

Get a 1st plus some other stuff and move on.

Why do you want the 49ers to be worst?

Deebo doesn't want to be here. So I want the Niners to get the max in return they can and move on. It's pretty simple.

When did he say he didn't want to be here?

Umm let's see…he called up an ESPN reporter and told him that he asked Niners management for a trade.

You been under a rock for the past couple weeks?

No, I just haven't been finishing players thoughts. Only he knows why he requested a trade and it may or may not have something to do with him not wanting to be here. Maybe he wants more money than he was offered. Maybe he doesn't want to play RB as much. That isn't him saying he doesn't want to be here. You are one of the people he was referring to in his latest tweet.

With all due respect, re-read your responses to me. You contradict your own statements.

You're right, you know more about what I said than I do. Thanks for correcting me.
Originally posted by Costanza:
Originally posted by Bloodless:

I'd be down for 35+38+ next years 1st.

I'll take it too, that's basically 2 1st round picks.
Originally posted by fropwns:
Originally posted by Ensatsu:
Holy f**king s**t the Jets are stupid. They're a 4th place garbage team, LMAO. We're gonna have a top 5 pick next year.

So should the debate be trade for draft capital next year or this year or both? I mean, if it is me, I say give me #10 this year, give me your first next year (likely to be lower in the first) and call it good. Is that unreasonable? They want him, we have him. Supply and demand, right? (And yes, I agree with the person above who equated it to housing. And you are right, brother, it is scary as f**k).

Yeah I think that may be unreasonable. Looking at draft trade value chart pick 10 alone is a greater haul than the entire Davante Adams deal and the entire Tyreek Hill deal. To add another first on top.. that would be tremendous for us don't think NYJ would do it.. I would be interested in one of their early 2nd this year plus next year's first. This is NYJ we are talking about so next year's first could be a bangin pick...
Originally posted by Predator85:
Originally posted by Costanza:
Originally posted by Bloodless:

I'd be down for 35+38+ next years 1st.

I'll take it too, that's basically 2 1st round picks.

That's a better deal than 2 later 1sts imo…considering the Jets 1st next year could be very high again.
Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:
Originally posted by fropwns:
Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:
Originally posted by fropwns:
Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:
Originally posted by fropwns:
I started feeling better last night about this whole thing, which tells me he is likely dealt today. Look, I think most of us, rationally and with the emotion of the past week behind us, would rather he stay, sign a contract, play like a beast, and help us capture number six. But his actions in the social media arena, his unwillingness to say whether he wants to stay or go, and the circus around the situation continues to point towards him not being with us moving forward. I wish it was otherwise, but it is not. If he does stay, and you are looking for a silver lining, Scottie Pippen remained on the final Bulls title team--though he missed time with an injury--and helped them win.

If he stays, maybe it is his last dance. But, I got to tell you brothers and sisters, it sure does not feel that way today. It feels like he is already gone. Whether the Niners accept that and decide to rationally get the most for him that they can is the remaining question. We will find out in a few more hours.

Lol... why so emotional?

He wants to get pay, pay him with Jimmy's money.

Easy peasy. Jimmy is leaving any way. That was the 9er FOs plan all along lol.. especially once Trey was drafted.

Because emotion and reason are the bedrocks of human existence.

Not when it doesn't concern your livihood. If it's about winning, they need to keep deebo at all cost really.

That is your opinion. Certainly, they rationally believe they need him. It is simple logic, Jim. BUT, they do not emotionally have to commit to him at all. And if he, emotionally has decided, I am done. Then it does not matter, now does it?

Reason and emotion, emotion and reason, my man. They are intertwined in all of the things we do. In fact, you could continually argue a point of view that you deem reasonable, but that really demonstrates your emotional commitment to an idea that is in fact wrong. Yet, you feel that you are being reasonable, when, in fact, you are not. You are being emotional.

For the record, I think a good bit of both is necessary to survive.

Never was about emotions, it's about money. If it is fated for him it will come regardless. He's breaking major generational curses if he gets his pay day with the 9ers or if traded with someone else. Did any of his ancestors have the ability, fortune, karma or destiny to break those generational curses as him now? No. Jimmy can't block that. Jimmy already got his. Jimmy should have already been traded, no he took his sweet time and got his surgery late on purpose. That's not going to stop deebo from getting pay and breaking generational curses..

But, you emotional fellow, you demonstrate both in your contentions. You say it is about money--rational. Though, I would counter the pursuit for more money does not always make us more rational. If anything, it may become an emotional contest to satisfy our need for fulfillment. You speak of his ancestors in racial tones. I, too, as a cultured person believe in what it could mean for him and his family. Here, I would say we have a "push", a little bit of reason and emotion. After all, it feels good to make it for the fam. But then, you betray yourself with Jimmy this, Jimmy that. Like Jim "Pornstar" GQ is the fault of all things. Weak sauce, sir. Very weak sauce, indeed. In fact, like the orbit of a moon, you keep coming back to Jim. I have seen it elsewhere. Why? That is what I mean by your rationale being driven by emotion.

Again, both are fine. Reason and emotion. You need both. It helps give life to your arguments. But you deny them. Tis like denying the air we breathe.
[ Edited by fropwns on Apr 28, 2022 at 12:32 PM ]
Originally posted by Costanza:
Originally posted by Ensatsu:
He's not getting traded. Even though I want him out of here.

My gut feeling is that hes staying and the circus will continue until August.

This would fit ShannyLynch's operating pattern. Just look how they handled the Jimmy G situation.

How is Jimmy G or even Deebo's situations on the 49ers only? Jimmy is 100% on him, he decided to not get surgery earlier, if so, he would be ready to throw much sooner, same with Deebo, for whatever reason he's acting like an entitled brat, how the hell did John & Kyle mess those up? Don't say Paraag, he doesn't run the 49ers, these two situations are on Jimmy & Deebo, I may be a homer a lot of the time, and be a huge Lynch/Shanahan defender, but even people who hate them can see, or should, that this isn't on the team, and no way you cut Jimmy and pay him $7.5M more than you should, we should have just $1.4M or $1.8M in dead money depending on his workout bonus.
Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Originally posted by Costanza:
Originally posted by Ensatsu:
He's not getting traded. Even though I want him out of here.

My gut feeling is that hes staying and the circus will continue until August.

This would fit ShannyLynch's operating pattern. Just look how they handled the Jimmy G situation.

How is Jimmy G or even Deebo's situations on the 49ers only? Jimmy is 100% on him, he decided to not get surgery earlier, if so, he would be ready to throw much sooner, same with Deebo, for whatever reason he's acting like an entitled brat, how the hell did John & Kyle mess those up? Don't say Paraag, he doesn't run the 49ers, these two situations are on Jimmy & Deebo, I may be a homer a lot of the time, and be a huge Lynch/Shanahan defender, but even people who hate them can see, or should, that this isn't on the team, and no way you cut Jimmy and pay him $7.5M more than you should, we should have just $1.4M or $1.8M in dead money depending on his workout bonus.

not going to make the 1K pages before the draft?
Originally posted by battletowin:
not going to make the 1K pages before the draft?

Still a chance. There's a ton of nobody's with Twitter accounts and all it takes is one of them to write something everyone on here dissects every letter of.
Originally posted by battletowin:
not going to make the 1K pages before the draft?

Need more fake news.
Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Originally posted by Costanza:
Originally posted by Ensatsu:
He's not getting traded. Even though I want him out of here.

My gut feeling is that hes staying and the circus will continue until August.

This would fit ShannyLynch's operating pattern. Just look how they handled the Jimmy G situation.

How is Jimmy G or even Deebo's situations on the 49ers only? Jimmy is 100% on him, he decided to not get surgery earlier, if so, he would be ready to throw much sooner, same with Deebo, for whatever reason he's acting like an entitled brat, how the hell did John & Kyle mess those up? Don't say Paraag, he doesn't run the 49ers, these two situations are on Jimmy & Deebo, I may be a homer a lot of the time, and be a huge Lynch/Shanahan defender, but even people who hate them can see, or should, that this isn't on the team, and no way you cut Jimmy and pay him $7.5M more than you should, we should have just $1.4M or $1.8M in dead money depending on his workout bonus.

Am I wrong in saying that if we get rid of Jimmy that future money is more than likely going to Bosa and Deebo if we retain him? That's one like 50 mill alone if not more
[ Edited by RackofRibs49 on Apr 28, 2022 at 12:32 PM ]
Originally posted by battletowin:
not going to make the 1K pages before the draft?

I blame NY85 for not being vocal about this
Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Originally posted by Costanza:
Originally posted by Ensatsu:
He's not getting traded. Even though I want him out of here.

My gut feeling is that hes staying and the circus will continue until August.

This would fit ShannyLynch's operating pattern. Just look how they handled the Jimmy G situation.

How is Jimmy G or even Deebo's situations on the 49ers only? Jimmy is 100% on him, he decided to not get surgery earlier, if so, he would be ready to throw much sooner, same with Deebo, for whatever reason he's acting like an entitled brat, how the hell did John & Kyle mess those up? Don't say Paraag, he doesn't run the 49ers, these two situations are on Jimmy & Deebo, I may be a homer a lot of the time, and be a huge Lynch/Shanahan defender, but even people who hate them can see, or should, that this isn't on the team, and no way you cut Jimmy and pay him $7.5M more than you should, we should have just $1.4M or $1.8M in dead money depending on his workout bonus.

Disagree. I don't think the timing of Jimmy's surgery has played a big role in this.

And as to Deebo acting like a spoiled brat…well, this is pro sports. A lot of these guys are "entitled brats"…good management has to work around these big ego's.

Im not a ShannyLynch hater btw. I just think they've had a poor offseason to this point….but I'm holding out hope that they can redeem themselves a bit this weekend.
Originally posted by RackofRibs49:
Am I wrong in saying that if we get rid of Jimmy that future money is more than likely going to Bosa and Deebo if we retain him? That's one like 50 mill alone if not more

Technically no, because he's not signed past 2022, but in a way yes, future years wise, but him being on the 49ers roster isn't making it for a Deebo deal.
Originally posted by fropwns:
Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:
Originally posted by fropwns:
Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:
Originally posted by fropwns:
Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:
Originally posted by fropwns:
I started feeling better last night about this whole thing, which tells me he is likely dealt today. Look, I think most of us, rationally and with the emotion of the past week behind us, would rather he stay, sign a contract, play like a beast, and help us capture number six. But his actions in the social media arena, his unwillingness to say whether he wants to stay or go, and the circus around the situation continues to point towards him not being with us moving forward. I wish it was otherwise, but it is not. If he does stay, and you are looking for a silver lining, Scottie Pippen remained on the final Bulls title team--though he missed time with an injury--and helped them win.

If he stays, maybe it is his last dance. But, I got to tell you brothers and sisters, it sure does not feel that way today. It feels like he is already gone. Whether the Niners accept that and decide to rationally get the most for him that they can is the remaining question. We will find out in a few more hours.

Lol... why so emotional?

He wants to get pay, pay him with Jimmy's money.

Easy peasy. Jimmy is leaving any way. That was the 9er FOs plan all along lol.. especially once Trey was drafted.

Because emotion and reason are the bedrocks of human existence.

Not when it doesn't concern your livihood. If it's about winning, they need to keep deebo at all cost really.

That is your opinion. Certainly, they rationally believe they need him. It is simple logic, Jim. BUT, they do not emotionally have to commit to him at all. And if he, emotionally has decided, I am done. Then it does not matter, now does it?

Reason and emotion, emotion and reason, my man. They are intertwined in all of the things we do. In fact, you could continually argue a point of view that you deem reasonable, but that really demonstrates your emotional commitment to an idea that is in fact wrong. Yet, you feel that you are being reasonable, when, in fact, you are not. You are being emotional.

For the record, I think a good bit of both is necessary to survive.

Never was about emotions, it's about money. If it is fated for him it will come regardless. He's breaking major generational curses if he gets his pay day with the 9ers or if traded with someone else. Did any of his ancestors have the ability, fortune, karma or destiny to break those generational curses as him now? No. Jimmy can't block that. Jimmy already got his. Jimmy should have already been traded, no he took his sweet time and got his surgery late on purpose. That's not going to stop deebo from getting pay and breaking generational curses..

But, you emotional fellow, you demonstrate both in your contentions. You say it is about money--rational. Though, I would counter the pursuit for more money does not always make us more rational. If anything, it may become an emotional contest to satisfy our need for fulfillment. You speak of his ancestors in racial tones. I, too, as a cultured person believe in what it could mean for him and his family. Here, I would say we have a "push", a little bit of reason and emotion. After all, it feels good to make it for the fam. But then, you betray yourself with Jimmy this, Jimmy that. Like Jim "Pornstar" GQ is the fault of all things. Weak sauce, sir. Very weak sauce, indeed. In fact, like the orbit of a moon, you keep coming back to Jim. I have seen it elsewhere. Why? That is what I mean by your rationale being driven by emotion.

Again, both are fine. Reason and emotion. You need both. It helps give life to your arguments. But you deny them. Tis like denying the air we breathe.

What emotions? It's call intuition and facts. Deebo wants money (aka signing bonuses and guaranteed money) and early. Jimmy is blocking by slowing a trade for him when his 2022 salary is 26M+ in total. 9ers have $861K cap space. 9er FO like any office doesn't want to pay more than necessary, other teams are exactly the same and always looking to take advantage of other teams cap space issues and stealing talented players away, that's nature of the NFL business. The more talented stars you have on your team the high chance you get to the SB.

Do you think another team wants to take on 26M+ when Jimmy can't even throw a ball right now? Even though he isn't a bad QB compare to other starters in the league and has SB, NFCC, play off experience and a high win %.
Who did that? Jimmy. Those other QB desperate teams are just waiting for 9ers to cut him in July so they don't need to take on the full 26M+.
[ Edited by ChillninDaBay on Apr 28, 2022 at 12:49 PM ]
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