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Cowherd is ridic!... #10 #38 and a 3rd rounder next year?? F@CK noooooooooo its not enough

Originally posted by ForeverYoung8:
Cowherd is ridic!... #10 #38 and a 3rd rounder next year?? F@CK noooooooooo its not enough

It's funnier reading what Jets fans are suggesting for Deebo. They want Deebo and our pick 93 for their 10.

Originally posted by Costanza:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by Costanza:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:
He's not getting traded. Even though I want him out of here.

My gut feeling is that hes staying and the circus will continue until August.

This would fit ShannyLynch's operating pattern. Just look how they handled the Jimmy G situation.

How is Jimmy G or even Deebo's situations on the 49ers only? Jimmy is 100% on him, he decided to not get surgery earlier, if so, he would be ready to throw much sooner, same with Deebo, for whatever reason he's acting like an entitled brat, how the hell did John & Kyle mess those up? Don't say Paraag, he doesn't run the 49ers, these two situations are on Jimmy & Deebo, I may be a homer a lot of the time, and be a huge Lynch/Shanahan defender, but even people who hate them can see, or should, that this isn't on the team, and no way you cut Jimmy and pay him $7.5M more than you should, we should have just $1.4M or $1.8M in dead money depending on his workout bonus.

Disagree. I don't think the timing of Jimmy's surgery has played a big role in this.

And as to Deebo acting like a spoiled brat…well, this is pro sports. A lot of these guys are "entitled brats"…good management has to work around these big ego's.

Im not a ShannyLynch hater btw. I just think they've had a poor offseason to this point….but I'm holding out hope that they can redeem themselves a bit this weekend.

How does it not play a part? If he has surgery in early Feb after NFC Title game, he's ready to throw soon, so a team may have traded for him, no team will trade for him due to the surgery. I still don't know how this is on Lynch & Kyle, same with Deebo? Also poor offseason, you guys need to lower your expectations, every year when we don't overpay for someone who is old, injured, or overrated you guys get all mad, like Julio, all you wanted him, I said hell no, didn't happen, was for the best, and no I wouldn't sign him this offseason, he's old, injury prone, and broken down.

Also, we added a top tier CB for good money, brought in two good EDGE guys for cheap(Hyder & Turay), Ridgeway is a nice signing, upgraded the ST unit with McCloud, Odom, & Burks, people look at them, say oh I don't know them so they must be terrible, but when their old teams' fans are mad that they didn't re-sign, then you know they're good players, like with Malik Turner, Cowboy fans didn't want to lose him.

Did we sign a bunch of big names? No, and that's due to waiting on the Bosa & Deebo(at the time) extensions, those were gonna be the big splash moves. So signing both, plus Ward, and then adding a Chandler Jones & Mathieu would f**k our cap up in 2023.

Edit: Is this a great offseason? No, but the FA pool was weak, and the draft is weak not top heavy, this is a year you take your money & invest in your own, not be Baalke in JAX and give Kirk $18M a yr.

Originally posted by ForeverYoung8:
Cowherd is ridic!... #10 #38 and a 3rd rounder next year?? F@CK noooooooooo its not enough

It would be more Tham Packers got for Adams and more than kc got for Hill.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by ForeverYoung8:
Cowherd is ridic!... #10 #38 and a 3rd rounder next year?? F@CK noooooooooo its not enough

It would be more Tham Packers got for Adams and more than kc got for Hill.

Okay and that means what?

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by ForeverYoung8:
Cowherd is ridic!... #10 #38 and a 3rd rounder next year?? F@CK noooooooooo its not enough

It would be more Tham Packers got for Adams and more than kc got for Hill.

when i saw the video i got a good laugh.

Originally posted by Costanza:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by Costanza:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:
He's not getting traded. Even though I want him out of here.

My gut feeling is that hes staying and the circus will continue until August.

This would fit ShannyLynch's operating pattern. Just look how they handled the Jimmy G situation.

How is Jimmy G or even Deebo's situations on the 49ers only? Jimmy is 100% on him, he decided to not get surgery earlier, if so, he would be ready to throw much sooner, same with Deebo, for whatever reason he's acting like an entitled brat, how the hell did John & Kyle mess those up? Don't say Paraag, he doesn't run the 49ers, these two situations are on Jimmy & Deebo, I may be a homer a lot of the time, and be a huge Lynch/Shanahan defender, but even people who hate them can see, or should, that this isn't on the team, and no way you cut Jimmy and pay him $7.5M more than you should, we should have just $1.4M or $1.8M in dead money depending on his workout bonus.

Disagree. I don't think the timing of Jimmy's surgery has played a big role in this.

I disagree too. If, say, Josh Allen was on the trade block but wasnt able to throw until July, you think teams wouldnt be wanting to trade for him even while injured? Of course teams would be willing to trade for him. There are many reasons teams arent willing to trade for Jimmy...and my hypothesis is him being unable to throw until July is very, very low on the totem pole.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Okay and that means what?

It means it's more than fair compensation

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Okay and that means what?

It means it's more than fair compensation

Different circumstances. Hill and Adams were traded cause their teams could not afford them anymore and had to ditch em now or lose em for nothing next year. We are no where near that with Deebo so if we are to trade him it's gotta literally be an offer that's to good to say no to.

The Deebo saga is taking all the attention away from the guys who worked so hard their whole life for this moment.

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by fropwns:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by fropwns:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by fropwns:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by fropwns:
I started feeling better last night about this whole thing, which tells me he is likely dealt today. Look, I think most of us, rationally and with the emotion of the past week behind us, would rather he stay, sign a contract, play like a beast, and help us capture number six. But his actions in the social media arena, his unwillingness to say whether he wants to stay or go, and the circus around the situation continues to point towards him not being with us moving forward. I wish it was otherwise, but it is not. If he does stay, and you are looking for a silver lining, Scottie Pippen remained on the final Bulls title team--though he missed time with an injury--and helped them win.

If he stays, maybe it is his last dance. But, I got to tell you brothers and sisters, it sure does not feel that way today. It feels like he is already gone. Whether the Niners accept that and decide to rationally get the most for him that they can is the remaining question. We will find out in a few more hours.

Lol... why so emotional?

He wants to get pay, pay him with Jimmy's money.

Easy peasy. Jimmy is leaving any way. That was the 9er FOs plan all along lol.. especially once Trey was drafted.

Because emotion and reason are the bedrocks of human existence.

Not when it doesn't concern your livihood. If it's about winning, they need to keep deebo at all cost really.

That is your opinion. Certainly, they rationally believe they need him. It is simple logic, Jim. BUT, they do not emotionally have to commit to him at all. And if he, emotionally has decided, I am done. Then it does not matter, now does it?

Reason and emotion, emotion and reason, my man. They are intertwined in all of the things we do. In fact, you could continually argue a point of view that you deem reasonable, but that really demonstrates your emotional commitment to an idea that is in fact wrong. Yet, you feel that you are being reasonable, when, in fact, you are not. You are being emotional.

For the record, I think a good bit of both is necessary to survive.

Never was about emotions, it's about money. If it is fated for him it will come regardless. He's breaking major generational curses if he gets his pay day with the 9ers or if traded with someone else. Did any of his ancestors have the ability, fortune, karma or destiny to break those generational curses as him now? No. Jimmy can't block that. Jimmy already got his. Jimmy should have already been traded, no he took his sweet time and got his surgery late on purpose. That's not going to stop deebo from getting pay and breaking generational curses..

But, you emotional fellow, you demonstrate both in your contentions. You say it is about money--rational. Though, I would counter the pursuit for more money does not always make us more rational. If anything, it may become an emotional contest to satisfy our need for fulfillment. You speak of his ancestors in racial tones. I, too, as a cultured person believe in what it could mean for him and his family. Here, I would say we have a "push", a little bit of reason and emotion. After all, it feels good to make it for the fam. But then, you betray yourself with Jimmy this, Jimmy that. Like Jim "Pornstar" GQ is the fault of all things. Weak sauce, sir. Very weak sauce, indeed. In fact, like the orbit of a moon, you keep coming back to Jim. I have seen it elsewhere. Why? That is what I mean by your rationale being driven by emotion.

Again, both are fine. Reason and emotion. You need both. It helps give life to your arguments. But you deny them. Tis like denying the air we breathe.

What emotions? It's call intuition and facts. Deebo wants money (aka signing bonuses and guaranteed money) and early. Jimmy is blocking by slowing a trade for him when his 2022 salary is 26M+ in total. 9ers have $861K cap space. 9er FO like any office doesn't want to pay more than necessary, other teams are exactly the same and always looking to take advantage of other teams cap space issues and stealing talented players away, that's nature of the NFL business. The more talented stars you have on your team the high chance you get to the SB.

Do you think another team wants to take on 26M+ when Jimmy can't even throw a ball right now? Even though he isn't a bad QB compare to other starters in the league and has SB, NFCC, play off experience and a high win %.
Who did that? Jimmy. Those other QB desperate teams are just waiting for 9ers to cut him in July so they don't need to take on the full 26M+.

Has it not been pointed out that new contract/extension for Deebo is still possible with Jimmy still around? You see, you make it about Jimmy. Sure, he plays a role, but your sole basis is that it is his fault.

Where is my cap master when I need him. AB, I need you.

Originally posted by fropwns:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

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Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by fropwns:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by fropwns:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by fropwns:

I started feeling better last night about this whole thing, which tells me he is likely dealt today. Look, I think most of us, rationally and with the emotion of the past week behind us, would rather he stay, sign a contract, play like a beast, and help us capture number six. But his actions in the social media arena, his unwillingness to say whether he wants to stay or go, and the circus around the situation continues to point towards him not being with us moving forward. I wish it was otherwise, but it is not. If he does stay, and you are looking for a silver lining, Scottie Pippen remained on the final Bulls title team--though he missed time with an injury--and helped them win.

If he stays, maybe it is his last dance. But, I got to tell you brothers and sisters, it sure does not feel that way today. It feels like he is already gone. Whether the Niners accept that and decide to rationally get the most for him that they can is the remaining question. We will find out in a few more hours.

Lol... why so emotional?

He wants to get pay, pay him with Jimmy's money.

Easy peasy. Jimmy is leaving any way. That was the 9er FOs plan all along lol.. especially once Trey was drafted.

Because emotion and reason are the bedrocks of human existence.

Not when it doesn't concern your livihood. If it's about winning, they need to keep deebo at all cost really.

That is your opinion. Certainly, they rationally believe they need him. It is simple logic, Jim. BUT, they do not emotionally have to commit to him at all. And if he, emotionally has decided, I am done. Then it does not matter, now does it?

Reason and emotion, emotion and reason, my man. They are intertwined in all of the things we do. In fact, you could continually argue a point of view that you deem reasonable, but that really demonstrates your emotional commitment to an idea that is in fact wrong. Yet, you feel that you are being reasonable, when, in fact, you are not. You are being emotional.

For the record, I think a good bit of both is necessary to survive.

Never was about emotions, it's about money. If it is fated for him it will come regardless. He's breaking major generational curses if he gets his pay day with the 9ers or if traded with someone else. Did any of his ancestors have the ability, fortune, karma or destiny to break those generational curses as him now? No. Jimmy can't block that. Jimmy already got his. Jimmy should have already been traded, no he took his sweet time and got his surgery late on purpose. That's not going to stop deebo from getting pay and breaking generational curses..

But, you emotional fellow, you demonstrate both in your contentions. You say it is about money--rational. Though, I would counter the pursuit for more money does not always make us more rational. If anything, it may become an emotional contest to satisfy our need for fulfillment. You speak of his ancestors in racial tones. I, too, as a cultured person believe in what it could mean for him and his family. Here, I would say we have a "push", a little bit of reason and emotion. After all, it feels good to make it for the fam. But then, you betray yourself with Jimmy this, Jimmy that. Like Jim "Pornstar" GQ is the fault of all things. Weak sauce, sir. Very weak sauce, indeed. In fact, like the orbit of a moon, you keep coming back to Jim. I have seen it elsewhere. Why? That is what I mean by your rationale being driven by emotion.

Again, both are fine. Reason and emotion. You need both. It helps give life to your arguments. But you deny them. Tis like denying the air we breathe.

What emotions? It's call intuition and facts. Deebo wants money (aka signing bonuses and guaranteed money) and early. Jimmy is blocking by slowing a trade for him when his 2022 salary is 26M+ in total. 9ers have $861K cap space. 9er FO like any office doesn't want to pay more than necessary, other teams are exactly the same and always looking to take advantage of other teams cap space issues and stealing talented players away, that's nature of the NFL business. The more talented stars you have on your team the high chance you get to the SB.

Do you think another team wants to take on 26M+ when Jimmy can't even throw a ball right now? Even though he isn't a bad QB compare to other starters in the league and has SB, NFCC, play off experience and a high win %.
Who did that? Jimmy. Those other QB desperate teams are just waiting for 9ers to cut him in July so they don't need to take on the full 26M+.

Has it not been pointed out that new contract/extension for Deebo is still possible with Jimmy still around? You see, you make it about Jimmy. Sure, he plays a role, but your sole basis is that it is his fault.

Where is my cap master when I need him. AB, I need you.

100% accurate Jimmy has no bearing on Deebos contract

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Different circumstances. Hill and Adams were traded cause their teams could not afford them anymore and had to ditch em now or lose em for nothing next year. We are no where near that with Deebo so if we are to trade him it's gotta literally be an offer that's to good to say no to.

Except we kind of are there. If reports are true we were at 19 but willing to go to 22. He wants at least 25 that makes us not able to afford him.

I know a lot of you say he deserves it and should get it. Most likely would be willing to go to 30.

Our front office feels differently. I for one agrees with the front office that he isn't worth that.

Which brings us to trade value. If the front office don't want to pay him like he's Adams or Hill why should we expect compensation that would be greater than Adams or Hill?

Originally posted by fropwns:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by fropwns:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by fropwns:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by fropwns:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by fropwns:
I started feeling better last night about this whole thing, which tells me he is likely dealt today. Look, I think most of us, rationally and with the emotion of the past week behind us, would rather he stay, sign a contract, play like a beast, and help us capture number six. But his actions in the social media arena, his unwillingness to say whether he wants to stay or go, and the circus around the situation continues to point towards him not being with us moving forward. I wish it was otherwise, but it is not. If he does stay, and you are looking for a silver lining, Scottie Pippen remained on the final Bulls title team--though he missed time with an injury--and helped them win.

If he stays, maybe it is his last dance. But, I got to tell you brothers and sisters, it sure does not feel that way today. It feels like he is already gone. Whether the Niners accept that and decide to rationally get the most for him that they can is the remaining question. We will find out in a few more hours.

Lol... why so emotional?

He wants to get pay, pay him with Jimmy's money.

Easy peasy. Jimmy is leaving any way. That was the 9er FOs plan all along lol.. especially once Trey was drafted.

Because emotion and reason are the bedrocks of human existence.

Not when it doesn't concern your livihood. If it's about winning, they need to keep deebo at all cost really.

That is your opinion. Certainly, they rationally believe they need him. It is simple logic, Jim. BUT, they do not emotionally have to commit to him at all. And if he, emotionally has decided, I am done. Then it does not matter, now does it?

Reason and emotion, emotion and reason, my man. They are intertwined in all of the things we do. In fact, you could continually argue a point of view that you deem reasonable, but that really demonstrates your emotional commitment to an idea that is in fact wrong. Yet, you feel that you are being reasonable, when, in fact, you are not. You are being emotional.

For the record, I think a good bit of both is necessary to survive.

Never was about emotions, it's about money. If it is fated for him it will come regardless. He's breaking major generational curses if he gets his pay day with the 9ers or if traded with someone else. Did any of his ancestors have the ability, fortune, karma or destiny to break those generational curses as him now? No. Jimmy can't block that. Jimmy already got his. Jimmy should have already been traded, no he took his sweet time and got his surgery late on purpose. That's not going to stop deebo from getting pay and breaking generational curses..

But, you emotional fellow, you demonstrate both in your contentions. You say it is about money--rational. Though, I would counter the pursuit for more money does not always make us more rational. If anything, it may become an emotional contest to satisfy our need for fulfillment. You speak of his ancestors in racial tones. I, too, as a cultured person believe in what it could mean for him and his family. Here, I would say we have a "push", a little bit of reason and emotion. After all, it feels good to make it for the fam. But then, you betray yourself with Jimmy this, Jimmy that. Like Jim "Pornstar" GQ is the fault of all things. Weak sauce, sir. Very weak sauce, indeed. In fact, like the orbit of a moon, you keep coming back to Jim. I have seen it elsewhere. Why? That is what I mean by your rationale being driven by emotion.

Again, both are fine. Reason and emotion. You need both. It helps give life to your arguments. But you deny them. Tis like denying the air we breathe.

What emotions? It's call intuition and facts. Deebo wants money (aka signing bonuses and guaranteed money) and early. Jimmy is blocking by slowing a trade for him when his 2022 salary is 26M+ in total. 9ers have $861K cap space. 9er FO like any office doesn't want to pay more than necessary, other teams are exactly the same and always looking to take advantage of other teams cap space issues and stealing talented players away, that's nature of the NFL business. The more talented stars you have on your team the high chance you get to the SB.

Do you think another team wants to take on 26M+ when Jimmy can't even throw a ball right now? Even though he isn't a bad QB compare to other starters in the league and has SB, NFCC, play off experience and a high win %.
Who did that? Jimmy. Those other QB desperate teams are just waiting for 9ers to cut him in July so they don't need to take on the full 26M+.

Has it not been pointed out that new contract/extension for Deebo is still possible with Jimmy still around? You see, you make it about Jimmy. Sure, he plays a role, but your sole basis is that it is his fault.

Where is my cap master when I need him. AB, I need you.

Sure whatever you say. Let's see if he gets traded tonight and if not when he gets a extension, before or after Jimmy is gone or maybe they'll just make him play out his rookie contract and tag him 3x and how that will work out, regardless deebo is getting pay if he continues to play well like last year. And once Jimmy is gone along with his 26M+, that money will go to someone else if not deebo not my money, I can care less really to be honest.

Regardless, Blocking someone's money is bad karma. That's exactly what Jimmy has done having surgery late. If his 26M+ can go to doing an extension for deebo, then that bad karma goes back on Jimmy for blocking. No team wants to trade for Jimmy when he can't throw + have to take on his 26M+ total in salary for 2022. Even if a team is desperate for a starting QB, they can wait till July when Jimmy is cut because everyone knows the 9ers are moving on from Jimmy and his 26M+ total salary for 2022.

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:
100% accurate Jimmy has no bearing on Deebos contract

It's not accurate regardless of what AB says. Tried using Kittle and Warner's contract as proof and it just isn't correct.