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Dec 19, 2019 at 5:44 AM
- NCommand
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A must read.
Dec 19, 2019 at 6:04 AM
- OnTheClock
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Originally posted by NCommand:Solomon Thomas is due $8.9m in 2020. $4.6m is dead cap space, so if you cut him you will save $4.3 next year.
— John Chapman (@JL_Chapman) December 18, 2019
I highly doubt the front office gives up on him though. https://t.co/pgzjAYtlus
Let's hope Solly turns into a contract year tryhard in 2020. As for our other situations. Its clear to me that we are going to need to strike gold in the next two drafts to keep this team in contention long-term because we're not going to have tons of cap room going forward.
Dec 19, 2019 at 1:52 PM
- OnTheClock
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Originally posted by NCommand:Originally posted by OnTheClock:Yeah, I mean if Blair is recovering well, I'd still try to keep him on a one-year deal so we can see if he can be the Solomon Thomas replacement after next year. Speed though, yeah we definitely could use some more speed to threaten wherever there might be a weakness to that. Wondering if there is a pure pass rush specialist we can take that maybe isn't great against the run, but is monstrous as a pass rushing closer.
Most definitely want to keep Blair. But a late season ACL and the bend/turn of an ER plus the need to anchor. I hope he can recover though! I really like him.
Yeah, for speed on the W9, you're going to want an ER in the 250's to low 260's. Dee Ford. Junior Gallette is available but someone like that. A role player who can bring the speed and ER variety in nickel. We've seen how Ford makes the whole DL complete. I know Phoenix even suggested using the first pick on ER again. It's hard to argue that in a W9...it's the equivalent of a FQB in the WCO in terms of importance.
I was thinking about how we may handle this upcoming off-season and another thing came to mind about our situation. We are in a tight spot not having tons of cap room to add new people. Compounding the problem is the fact that we have limited draft capital. When you're in this situation, all you can do is look at low-cost options to hold you over in the mean time.
* At DE, I think we'll go the same route we went with the FS position. Re-sign guys at low deals (Moore, Blair) and hope for better health in 2020 and maybe even some luck with a surprise UDFA. I also think we try to keep Ward again.
* At WR, we will let Pettis compete and then deal him if we can for 2021 draft capital. Trent Taylor has an outside chance of suffering the same fate. Even if we re-sign Sanders, that won't be a long term investment, so it won't solidify the position long term. This is a position that could go either way. I think we will target a high profile WR knowing we have too many questions at the position and no proven long-term answers outside of maybe Deebo right now.
* Shanahan always says, "If you're gonna draft a guy, he needs to be able to beat out someone in front of him." Well, Nzeocha, Al Shaair, Lee, and Marcell Harris are definitely guys who could easily be beat out by the right prospects at LB and SS, respectively. These are areas I feel are a near lock to use draft picks on in 2020.
* We have no center of the future if Richburg can't come back from his injury. This seems like the next most probable area to get a draft pick used.
* At DT, I think the team will look to see first what it has with Givens, Street, and Jullian Taylor (who are all under cheap contracts ATM), but could invest a draft pick to challenge all of these three, as none have yet to truly prove they are irreplaceable.
* I Think CB/DE/RB/TE all have equal chance to get draft picks used on them, depending on who's there.
No guarantee we go this way. Some people may not be totally happy, but I could see it happening like this. Bringing back a lot of injured players and hoping for the best.
Dec 19, 2019 at 2:00 PM
- Thanos89
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Originally posted by NCommand:Originally posted by OnTheClock:Yeah, I mean if Blair is recovering well, I'd still try to keep him on a one-year deal so we can see if he can be the Solomon Thomas replacement after next year. Speed though, yeah we definitely could use some more speed to threaten wherever there might be a weakness to that. Wondering if there is a pure pass rush specialist we can take that maybe isn't great against the run, but is monstrous as a pass rushing closer.
Most definitely want to keep Blair. But a late season ACL and the bend/turn of an ER plus the need to anchor. I hope he can recover though! I really like him.
Yeah, for speed on the W9, you're going to want an ER in the 250's to low 260's. Dee Ford. Junior Gallette is available but someone like that. A role player who can bring the speed and ER variety in nickel. We've seen how Ford makes the whole DL complete. I know Phoenix even suggested using the first pick on ER again. It's hard to argue that in a W9...it's the equivalent of a FQB in the WCO in terms of importance.
With how important it is to have a great pass rush, why not invest another 1st on a edge rusher? How long will Ford be able to play with his knee problem
Dec 19, 2019 at 3:05 PM
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Originally posted by Thanos89:
With how important it is to have a great pass rush, why not invest another 1st on a edge rusher? How long will Ford be able to play with his knee problem
Which they probably will. Pouring resources into premium positions(EDGE, DB, OT, etc) is what good franchises do.
Conversely, throwing resources into ancillary positions(ie WR, RB, etc) is what bad franchises do, which is why I don't expect them to do very much at the WR position this offseason. They've invested more than enough. It's time for the coaches to earn their paychecks.
[ Edited by Heroism on Dec 19, 2019 at 3:07 PM ]
Dec 19, 2019 at 5:14 PM
- NCommand
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Originally posted by Heroism:Originally posted by Thanos89:With how important it is to have a great pass rush, why not invest another 1st on a edge rusher? How long will Ford be able to play with his knee problem
Which they probably will. Pouring resources into premium positions(EDGE, DB, OT, etc) is what good franchises do.
Conversely, throwing resources into ancillary positions(ie WR, RB, etc) is what bad franchises do, which is why I don't expect them to do very much at the WR position this offseason. They've invested more than enough. It's time for the coaches to earn their paychecks.
Totally agree.
Dec 19, 2019 at 6:31 PM
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need a fuken superbowl win.
Dec 20, 2019 at 12:04 AM
- Imcaleburnot
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Originally posted by pasodoc9er:ER
DBs
TE (tie with DBs)
All above based on BPA
LB
FA WR.
OL??
Dec 20, 2019 at 7:05 AM
- illinois9er
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Originally posted by Heroism:Which they probably will. Pouring resources into premium positions(EDGE, DB, OT, etc) is what good franchises do.
Conversely, throwing resources into ancillary positions(ie WR, RB, etc) is what bad franchises do, which is why I don't expect them to do very much at the WR position this offseason. They've invested more than enough. It's time for the coaches to earn their paychecks.
Yep, keep building the trenches. It's not sexy but drafting offensive linemen is almost always cool with me.
Dec 20, 2019 at 8:18 AM
- OnTheClock
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Originally posted by Heroism:Originally posted by Thanos89:With how important it is to have a great pass rush, why not invest another 1st on a edge rusher? How long will Ford be able to play with his knee problem
Which they probably will. Pouring resources into premium positions(EDGE, DB, OT, etc) is what good franchises do.
Conversely, throwing resources into ancillary positions(ie WR, RB, etc) is what bad franchises do, which is why I don't expect them to do very much at the WR position this offseason. They've invested more than enough. It's time for the coaches to earn their paychecks.
Sustaining top-tier play is important. At minimum we need to make sure we don't get worse going into 2020.
It certainly would seem prudent to invest in the trenches. Our pass blocking depth on the offensive side and strong DL on the other side have been the biggest helps to our success this year. Although we can't ignore what adding Sanders did. We saw what things looked like with a hurting Mike Person, without Sanders, without Ford, without Richburg, and without Tartt at various points this year. We have to find ways to effectively address those things.
The fact of the matter is, we neither have the cap room for a splash acquisition, nor the draft capital to get top quality players unless we trade down. So, first step to remedy that is to trade down and or trade players who you don't see being in your long-term plans. Next, we have to be money with our late round picks and UDFAs again to hope we find key players that upgrade the roster. Lastly, we 1) keep what we can for cheap, and 2) Hope for better health in 2020.
If all works out, we continue to have a powerhouse team in 2020, maybe even better than the previous year. I'll be putting together another post that shows a bigger roster breakdown.
Dec 20, 2019 at 9:32 AM
- NCommand
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Originally posted by OnTheClock:Originally posted by Heroism:Originally posted by Thanos89:With how important it is to have a great pass rush, why not invest another 1st on a edge rusher? How long will Ford be able to play with his knee problem
Which they probably will. Pouring resources into premium positions(EDGE, DB, OT, etc) is what good franchises do.
Conversely, throwing resources into ancillary positions(ie WR, RB, etc) is what bad franchises do, which is why I don't expect them to do very much at the WR position this offseason. They've invested more than enough. It's time for the coaches to earn their paychecks.
Sustaining top-tier play is important. At minimum we need to make sure we don't get worse going into 2020.
It certainly would seem prudent to invest in the trenches. Our pass blocking depth on the offensive side and strong DL on the other side have been the biggest helps to our success this year. Although we can't ignore what adding Sanders did. We saw what things looked like with a hurting Mike Person, without Sanders, without Ford, without Richburg, and without Tartt at various points this year. We have to find ways to effectively address those things.
The fact of the matter is, we neither have the cap room for a splash acquisition, nor the draft capital to get top quality players unless we trade down. So, first step to remedy that is to trade down and or trade players who you don't see being in your long-term plans. Next, we have to be money with our late round picks and UDFAs again to hope we find key players that upgrade the roster. Lastly, we 1) keep what we can for cheap, and 2) Hope for better health in 2020.
If all works out, we continue to have a powerhouse team in 2020, maybe even better than the previous year. I'll be putting together another post that shows a bigger roster breakdown.
I look forward to it OTC.
Also, it would interesting to look into how playoff teams draft once they start getting to the playoffs...where do their resources go since they're now drafting at the back end of the draft and are tighter in cap space.
For instance, we know for a fact, both NE and Seattle love to trade back many many times and play the probability of success through quantity approach (and then coach them up). Some, like the Vikings, just sign their own for FA. Some invest in fewer but higher picks since they have fewer needs. Others, invest mostly in the lines. Others, mostly skill positions. Some go mostly moneyball. This is new territory for this FO.
Dec 20, 2019 at 9:33 AM
- NCommand
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Originally posted by illinois9er:Yep, keep building the trenches. It's not sexy but drafting offensive linemen is almost always cool with me.
Same. Obviously.
Dec 20, 2019 at 9:51 AM
- Izyniner
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Let me start this off by saying I am a AA fan and felt they should have extended him last season. That being said I think they need to let him walk. I feel they can fill his void with a veteran on a one year deal until they draft his replacement. Every year there are salary cap casualties or high salary vets that get cut. This last year for example Sue was setting there till late in free agency. The money they will have to spend on AA could be used for multiple depth players. I just feel the rest of the talent on the dline will allow them to plug a free agent in till they find his replacement.
[ Edited by Izyniner on Dec 20, 2019 at 9:53 AM ]
Dec 23, 2019 at 1:06 PM
- NCommand
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The pass rush name you've been waiting for.
At least he's not another BE.
6'4" 258. Maybe he can provide some speed off the edge?
At least he's not another BE.
6'4" 258. Maybe he can provide some speed off the edge?
The #49ers signed DL Anthony Zettel to a one-year dealand waived DL Jeremiah Valoaga.
— Matt Maiocco (@MaioccoNBCS) December 23, 2019
Dec 23, 2019 at 1:10 PM
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Originally posted by NCommand:The pass rush name you've been waiting for.
At least he's not another BE.
6'4" 258. Maybe he can provide some speed off the edge?
The #49ers signed DL Anthony Zettel to a one-year dealand waived DL Jeremiah Valoaga.
— Matt Maiocco (@MaioccoNBCS) December 23, 2019
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