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Dec 23, 2019 at 1:15 PM
Originally posted by 91til:
Originally posted by NCommand:
The pass rush name you've been waiting for.

At least he's not another BE.

6'4" 258. Maybe he can provide some speed off the edge?



Championship


Damn straight. He's going to make that game winning play in the Superbowl!
Dec 23, 2019 at 1:44 PM
Hard to believe we still need D-line help after drafting DL with all those first round picks!
Dec 23, 2019 at 1:49 PM
Originally posted by NinerGM:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
I was thinking about how we may handle this upcoming off-season and another thing came to mind about our situation. We are in a tight spot not having tons of cap room to add new people. Compounding the problem is the fact that we have limited draft capital. When you're in this situation, all you can do is look at low-cost options to hold you over in the mean time.

* At DE, I think we'll go the same route we went with the FS position. Re-sign guys at low deals (Moore, Blair) and hope for better health in 2020 and maybe even some luck with a surprise UDFA. I also think we try to keep Ward again.

* At WR, we will let Pettis compete and then deal him if we can for 2021 draft capital. Trent Taylor has an outside chance of suffering the same fate. Even if we re-sign Sanders, that won't be a long term investment, so it won't solidify the position long term. This is a position that could go either way. I think we will target a high profile WR knowing we have too many questions at the position and no proven long-term answers outside of maybe Deebo right now.

* Shanahan always says, "If you're gonna draft a guy, he needs to be able to beat out someone in front of him." Well, Nzeocha, Al Shaair, Lee, and Marcell Harris are definitely guys who could easily be beat out by the right prospects at LB and SS, respectively. These are areas I feel are a near lock to use draft picks on in 2020.

* We have no center of the future if Richburg can't come back from his injury. This seems like the next most probable area to get a draft pick used.

* At DT, I think the team will look to see first what it has with Givens, Street, and Jullian Taylor (who are all under cheap contracts ATM), but could invest a draft pick to challenge all of these three, as none have yet to truly prove they are irreplaceable.

* I Think CB/DE/RB/TE all have equal chance to get draft picks used on them, depending on who's there.

No guarantee we go this way. Some people may not be totally happy, but I could see it happening like this. Bringing back a lot of injured players and hoping for the best.

Damn good summary. However, I think the bolded is priority one for the off-season, even higher than figuring out what's next for AA. For this particular style of offense, the center is only second to the QB in importance in my opinion. No good center, no good ground game = tired defense regardless of who we keep. I strongly believe they need to be absolutely realistic when it comes to Richburg and even beyond that, look at the totality of his career (second major injury since being signed) and the probability of their being a third. We don't have much draft capital to trade for someone under contract so I sincerely believe we're going to have to do something via FA or franchise AA and possible use him as trade bait for the player we need.

At 32 we should be in prime position to draft a top C too. If Richburg proves healthy, now you've got a starting G with C experience.
Dec 23, 2019 at 1:51 PM
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Hard to believe we still need D-line help after drafting DL with all those first round picks!

For real. No matter how good and deep your DL is, you still need that speed ER closer for a W9. If Ford was 100% healthy, we'd have a historic DL.
[ Edited by NCommand on Dec 23, 2019 at 1:51 PM ]
Dec 23, 2019 at 3:26 PM
Originally posted by NinerGM:
Originally posted by NCommand:
At 32 we should be in prime position to draft a top C too. If Richburg proves healthy, now you've got a starting G with C experience.

I can't see us standing pat here. I think we trade out of this spot for additional picks. Kyle is someone who likes vets at center. I agree we will be primed for it, but I'm not sure if this is his preference in solving the problem.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Hard to believe we still need D-line help after drafting DL with all those first round picks!

For real. No matter how good and deep your DL is, you still need that speed ER closer for a W9. If Ford was 100% healthy, we'd have a historic DL.

Well we need to be honest, we took a gamble on Ford's health and it paid off partially. His deal will certainly be restructured to that of a role player vs a 3-down starter. We'll absolutely need to bolster this area during the off season. Again, I think the FO is learning another valuable lesson; now that they have a FQB who can win games for them, they need to start putting *durable* key pieces around him. Don't get me wrong, there is a strategy in taking available/cheaper players with warts and hoping it all works out, but they're learning those players tend not to last the entire season when you need them in a championship window. I expect even more judicious signings with FA projected as starters.

Definitely. I always do two mock drafts and off season plans (free agency)...one I want and one I think ShanaLynch will do...for this very reason.
Dec 23, 2019 at 3:57 PM
Excellent dialogue NC and GM, but i have two additional observations.

1. Without Dee Ford we never would be sitting at 12-3. The obvious is that when we finally get here, then there is no guarantee Dee is there for us. So i hold his signing as "warts and all" but wiihout home we aren't in playoffs. Two edged sword really and one edge is against our necks at present. "Edge" is a play on words, btw.

2. I understand the reasoning behind franchising and then trading AA. But don't forget this guy is a bruiser, and can play BOTH DT and DE....there aren't a lot of those around. So pettis, mckinnon, maybe TT depending on health, marquise, plus a couple i am forgetting, are potential draft capital. And i agree we move down (Unless the perfect Center is there at #32), but other than that, we will get more draft picks. CJ is another , altho he is a favorite of Kyle's. As for AA...we cannot afford to NOT sign him...IMO only.

3. It was interesting to note in OTC's projected picks, DE/CB/TE/RB...that he picked TE and not WR....which i completely agree with. We will do way better with a great TE than a WR. Ravens and Kittle proved that to us. As for RB...that one no. Reason is the genetic ability of Shanghans to go to local walmart parking lot and pick up 3 guys, 2 of which can start at RB next yr. crazy but that is the truth. ER is the one place i would probably lean toward first but all this should be BPA minus the RB.
Even the TE is a bit iffy, in that i see some real promise in Dwelley, but hey, another great TE is there, take him. That said, again, # 1 preference is ER.

Lastly and this is a question. How in the hell can we start season with 10 DTs (2 were ERs) and blow thru 4 of them? That just seems impossible. Only other thot is to get as many OLs in camp as possible , UDFAs, and work as many out as we can. If a guy has promise, bag him. This is low risk, low return, but we obviously need more depth at OL, esp C.

As for later picks, it has been impressive beyond believe that JL and kyle picked kittle in rd 5, DJ Jones in rd 6, and so on. Late picks don't bother me a bit with these guys. Man is that ever a great way to level the talent field, with late picks turning into all pros.
[ Edited by pasodoc9er on Dec 23, 2019 at 3:59 PM ]
Dec 23, 2019 at 4:48 PM
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Hard to believe we still need D-line help after drafting DL with all those first round picks!

Not really when you consider all the injuries
Dec 23, 2019 at 5:30 PM
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Excellent dialogue NC and GM, but i have two additional observations.

1. Without Dee Ford we never would be sitting at 12-3. The obvious is that when we finally get here, then there is no guarantee Dee is there for us. So i hold his signing as "warts and all" but wiihout home we aren't in playoffs. Two edged sword really and one edge is against our necks at present. "Edge" is a play on words, btw.

2. I understand the reasoning behind franchising and then trading AA. But don't forget this guy is a bruiser, and can play BOTH DT and DE....there aren't a lot of those around. So pettis, mckinnon, maybe TT depending on health, marquise, plus a couple i am forgetting, are potential draft capital. And i agree we move down (Unless the perfect Center is there at #32), but other than that, we will get more draft picks. CJ is another , altho he is a favorite of Kyle's. As for AA...we cannot afford to NOT sign him...IMO only.

3. It was interesting to note in OTC's projected picks, DE/CB/TE/RB...that he picked TE and not WR....which i completely agree with. We will do way better with a great TE than a WR. Ravens and Kittle proved that to us. As for RB...that one no. Reason is the genetic ability of Shanghans to go to local walmart parking lot and pick up 3 guys, 2 of which can start at RB next yr. crazy but that is the truth. ER is the one place i would probably lean toward first but all this should be BPA minus the RB.
Even the TE is a bit iffy, in that i see some real promise in Dwelley, but hey, another great TE is there, take him. That said, again, # 1 preference is ER.

Lastly and this is a question. How in the hell can we start season with 10 DTs (2 were ERs) and blow thru 4 of them? That just seems impossible. Only other thot is to get as many OLs in camp as possible , UDFAs, and work as many out as we can. If a guy has promise, bag him. This is low risk, low return, but we obviously need more depth at OL, esp C.

As for later picks, it has been impressive beyond believe that JL and kyle picked kittle in rd 5, DJ Jones in rd 6, and so on. Late picks don't bother me a bit with these guys. Man is that ever a great way to level the talent field, with late picks turning into all pros.

I go back and forth on my predictions. Part of me thinks they make bank on better health with the return of Hurd and Taylor, and then let Pettis and James compete for the last spot/special teams roles with a late round rookie or UDFAs. I definitely think we will be in the market for a #3 power blocking tight end. Kaden Smith was a big clue. In my roster analysis thread, once I assessed the roster in full, I changed my mind and feel that that thread better reflects what we'll do. My 2018 analysis thread pinpointed exact weakness and we addressed all of them exactly. I think we'll see something similar in 2020.
Dec 29, 2019 at 7:02 AM
[ Edited by NCommand on Dec 29, 2019 at 7:24 AM ]
Dec 31, 2019 at 4:23 PM
Dec 31, 2019 at 4:50 PM
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Originally posted by NCommand:
At 32 we should be in prime position to draft a top C too. If Richburg proves healthy, now you've got a starting G with C experience.

I'm getting more worried about team needs on the coaching side. We might lose LaFlure and some other good coaches. I hope kyle is ready for his staff to be poached.
Dec 31, 2019 at 7:36 PM
Why do we suck at PR/KR? I mean, I'm just happy when we don't fumble. But i feel like every other team we play that advantage. James isn't the answer. But I don't know if there's anyone else who can. Didn't Pettis use to excel at this?
Dec 31, 2019 at 7:54 PM
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Why do we suck at PR/KR? I mean, I'm just happy when we don't fumble. But i feel like every other team we play that advantage. James isn't the answer. But I don't know if there's anyone else who can. Didn't Pettis use to excel at this?
Only thing Pettis excels at is cat watching!
[ Edited by cjsmoove on Dec 31, 2019 at 7:54 PM ]
Dec 31, 2019 at 8:19 PM
Originally posted by NCommand:

Jan 1, 2020 at 5:53 AM
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Why do we suck at PR/KR? I mean, I'm just happy when we don't fumble. But i feel like every other team we play that advantage. James isn't the answer. But I don't know if there's anyone else who can. Didn't Pettis use to excel at this?

It's 100% Hightower. He's the most conservative STC of all time. He's so afraid to make a mistake he's having James not even field punts even if it might cost us yards.
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