Tevin Coleman, RB

Originally posted by 49ers18:
I never said Coleman is a "power back". I said he has more power than Mostert. Not that Coleman was power. Also I will say Coleman is less scared to get hit than Mostert. Neither of them is a "workhorse" but Coleman has more of that ability than Mostert does in my opinion. They complememt each other well, but to think Mostert has any of this succeas without Shanny system or the other backs taking the load off mostert is laughable. Mostert is a product of circumstance. He is not a top 20 back in this league.

You said Coleman puts his head down and runs fools over? That he wears down a starting defense.

I will agree neither are workhorse backs. I disagree that Coleman has more of that ability than Mostert though. I think Mostert is a scheme fit running back, like A LOT of RBs. He's a top 20 back if he's here for sure. The way Coleman played last yr I can't say the same about him.

Neither are gonna do well in a gap blocking run game IMO.

FYI I want nothing more than for Coleman to prove me wrong and be a beast.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49ers18:

I never said Coleman is a "power back". I said he has more power than Mostert. Not that Coleman was power. Also I will say Coleman is less scared to get hit than Mostert. Neither of them is a "workhorse" but Coleman has more of that ability than Mostert does in my opinion. They complememt each other well, but to think Mostert has any of this succeas without Shanny system or the other backs taking the load off mostert is laughable. Mostert is a product of circumstance. He is not a top 20 back in this league.

You said Coleman puts his head down and runs fools over? That he wears down a starting defense.

I will agree neither are workhorse backs. I disagree that Coleman has more of that ability than Mostert though. I think Mostert is a scheme fit running back, like A LOT of RBs. He's a top 20 back if he's here for sure. The way Coleman played last yr I can't say the same about him.

Neither are gonna do well in a gap blocking run game IMO.

FYI I want nothing more than for Coleman to prove me wrong and be a beast.

I didnt mean for that to come off as he is "strictly" a power back, I was trying to say that he has more power ability than mostert. You do not feel the same and that is okay, we can disagree about that. I am not convinced That mostert is a top 20 back, not necessarily that Coleman is currently either, but again I just feel he has more ability than mostert.

An I agree 100% I hope I am wrong about Mostert if he stays as well and he balls out.

In the end all any of us want is the 49ers winning. An if that means Mostert makes me eat crow and has an incredible year I will be the first to say I was wrong an be incredibly excited for the niners winning.

Originally posted by 49ers18:
Look im not saying that Coleman is an all pro or even a pro bowler at this time. What I am saying is that mostert routinely faced defenses after they had been on the field a while. He comes on the field like 15 plays a game and has way fresher legs. Also at the beginning of the season it wasnt just Coleman, it was Brieda amd Wilson helped as well.

Also by the time weeks 13-17 defenses had played 11-12 games already and Mostert played maybe 100 plays. So he was still more fresh.

Like I said in a different post, you like mostert more and that is fine. Lets agree to disagree and see what they do this season.

We can agree Go Niners at least! [bgrin

(Would you happen to have a link for the 8 man box stats that you are referencing? Its not that I dont belive you I just think I would enjoy reading that. Pre-emptive thank you for the link fellow 49ers fan )

I will completely disagree that Mostert outperformed TC because he had fresher legs. That's an excuse for TC imo. Coleman getting the first series and touching the ball twice isn't doing anything. Again Mostert was also the gunner. He also was getting carries plenty at the beginning of games, he just actually did something with them.

I like Mostert more because he actually played well. Every single stat backs that up.

here's the stats for 8 men in the box. All of our guys were near the top of the list.

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/rushing#percent-eight-defenders

Originally posted by 49ers18:
I didnt mean for that to come off as he is "strictly" a power back, I was trying to say that he has more power ability than mostert. You do not feel the same and that is okay, we can disagree about that. I am not convinced That mostert is a top 20 back, not necessarily that Coleman is currently either, but again I just feel he has more ability than mostert.

An I agree 100% I hope I am wrong about Mostert if he stays as well and he balls out.

In the end all any of us want is the 49ers winning. An if that means Mostert makes me eat crow and has an incredible year I will be the first to say I was wrong an be incredibly excited for the niners winning.

Hey I want them all to be good

Every time Mostert has been given an opportunity to run the ball in SF he's making the most of it. He runs like Jamal Charles. Not saying he is, but when you saw Charles hit a hole he was gone, same with Mostert in this system.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Man just admit you're related to him lol. It would make soooo much sense.

Lighting it up? 6 carries for 23 yards week one before twisting his ankle.

One game with over 100 yards during the regular season. 2 games made up over 20% of his production. If you get "wore down" after having 3 games avg 18 carries you shouldn't be making the most cash on the team at RB imo.

He's a decent RBBC, nothing special at all.

Also we're you throwing out this always getting positive yard stuff?

I thought you were done with this convo ?? Lol but he's the all purpose back that Most6eer is not. For all the praising yall want to do for Mostert he wasnt some elite back last season.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

I will completely disagree that Mostert outperformed TC because he had fresher legs. That's an excuse for TC imo. Coleman getting the first series and touching the ball twice isn't doing anything. Again Mostert was also the gunner. He also was getting carries plenty at the beginning of games, he just actually did something with them.

I like Mostert more because he actually played well. Every single stat backs that up.

here's the stats for 8 men in the box. All of our guys were near the top of the list.

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/rushing#percent-eight-defenders

I don't know if I'm reading this right. But Coleman was more effective than Mostert?

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:

Mostert often runs through tackles; Coleman does not. Meanwhile, Mostert has a 6.0 career average per carry. In 2019, Coleman had a 4.0 average per carry. For his career, Coleman's average is 4.3 yards.

Mostert gets big gains, he does not grind out a defense

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

I don't know if I'm reading this right. But Coleman was more effective than Mostert?

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Originally posted by NYniner85:

Are guys actually saying Coleman is a power back? Lol. Couldn't be further from the truth.

His skill set is basically the same as Mostert. Blazing fast one cut hit the hole for explosive play back.

The problem is his vision isn't great (misses holes), he won't break any sort of tackle most of the time either. He takes what is given.

I wished they would have used him more as a pass catcher.

Coleman is your typical COP back.

Wrong wrong and wrong

Mostert was by far our best Rb last season. Coleman actually looked average for the most part, whether it was because he was dealing with an Injury or not, I'm not sure but he certainly didn't have the vision Mostert showed last season.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

I will completely disagree that Mostert outperformed TC because he had fresher legs. That's an excuse for TC imo. Coleman getting the first series and touching the ball twice isn't doing anything. Again Mostert was also the gunner. He also was getting carries plenty at the beginning of games, he just actually did something with them.

I like Mostert more because he actually played well. Every single stat backs that up.

here's the stats for 8 men in the box. All of our guys were near the top of the list.

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/rushing#percent-eight-defenders

Think you may want to recheck those stats, in 8 man boxes if Mostert didnt gash a defense he wasnt getting you yardage.

Coleman faced an 8 man front 40% of the time compared to Mostert 32 %. Coleman's efficiency was also higher.

Originally posted by 49ers90sBaby:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

I don't know if I'm reading this right. But Coleman was more effective than Mostert?

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I wasn't saying it as a statement of fact. I'm confused how they came to that conclusion. Only thing I can think is they factor in blocking. Cause some of Mostert's runs were just blocked perfectly. The trap vs the Packers in the playoffs I'm pretty sure Kevan Barlow could taken that for a house call also.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

I wasn't saying it as a statement of fact. I'm confused how they came to that conclusion. Only thing I can think is they factor in blocking. Cause some of Mostert's runs were just blocked perfectly. The trap vs the Packers in the playoffs I'm pretty sure Kevan Barlow could taken that for a house call also.

What is a fact is that Coleman faced an 8 man front more than Mostert did. Mostert just runs through the hole. He doesnt really do anything extraordinary. Like you said alot of those runs were just blocked really well that he had. You saw when he didnt , he folded. If he's not getting excellent blocking, he's not getting much.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49ers18:

Look im not saying that Coleman is an all pro or even a pro bowler at this time. What I am saying is that mostert routinely faced defenses after they had been on the field a while. He comes on the field like 15 plays a game and has way fresher legs. Also at the beginning of the season it wasnt just Coleman, it was Brieda amd Wilson helped as well.

Also by the time weeks 13-17 defenses had played 11-12 games already and Mostert played maybe 100 plays. So he was still more fresh.

Like I said in a different post, you like mostert more and that is fine. Lets agree to disagree and see what they do this season.

We can agree Go Niners at least! [bgrin

(Would you happen to have a link for the 8 man box stats that you are referencing? Its not that I dont belive you I just think I would enjoy reading that. Pre-emptive thank you for the link fellow 49ers fan )

I will completely disagree that Mostert outperformed TC because he had fresher legs. That's an excuse for TC imo. Coleman getting the first series and touching the ball twice isn't doing anything. Again Mostert was also the gunner. He also was getting carries plenty at the beginning of games, he just actually did something with them.

I like Mostert more because he actually played well. Every single stat backs that up.

here's the stats for 8 men in the box. All of our guys were near the top of the list.

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/rushing#percent-eight-defenders

An that is fine, it is your opinion as you said. Our opinioms differ, I feel like until the end of the season mostert was getting garbage time carries which would inflate his numbers. Again I would be very okay with Mostert making me eat crow.

Thank you for the link. That is so bad a$$! I love seeing that our guys were producing even though defenses were setting up for the run hahahaha

Originally posted by 49ers90sBaby:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

I wasn't saying it as a statement of fact. I'm confused how they came to that conclusion. Only thing I can think is they factor in blocking. Cause some of Mostert's runs were just blocked perfectly. The trap vs the Packers in the playoffs I'm pretty sure Kevan Barlow could taken that for a house call also.

What is a fact is that Coleman faced an 8 man front more than Mostert did. Mostert just runs through the hole. He doesnt really do anything extraordinary. Like you said alot of those runs were just blocked really well that he had. You saw when he didnt , he folded. If he's not getting excellent blocking, he's not getting much.

Exactly! Thank you