Tevin Coleman, RB

Originally posted by 49ers90sBaby:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

I wasn't saying it as a statement of fact. I'm confused how they came to that conclusion. Only thing I can think is they factor in blocking. Cause some of Mostert's runs were just blocked perfectly. The trap vs the Packers in the playoffs I'm pretty sure Kevan Barlow could taken that for a house call also.

What is a fact is that Coleman faced an 8 man front more than Mostert did. Mostert just runs through the hole. He doesnt really do anything extraordinary. Like you said alot of those runs were just blocked really well that he had. You saw when he didnt , he folded. If he's not getting excellent blocking, he's not getting much.

I think that's the case for most RBs in the NFL if it's not blocked well they aren't getting much. While Coleman can be very frustrating cause he will drop his eyes and a hole will open up cause he didn't trust his line. I do think they are similar players. Mostert has the explosive speed and hits holes so fast that the O line looks like they blocked it really well. And once he's in the open you can't catch him. Coleman used to have that speed but it seems like he has bulked up and lost his speed trying to be a 3 down back.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49ers90sBaby:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
I don't know if I'm reading this right. But Coleman was more effective than Mostert?

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I wasn't saying it as a statement of fact. I'm confused how they came to that conclusion. Only thing I can think is they factor in blocking. Cause some of Mostert's runs were just blocked perfectly. The trap vs the Packers in the playoffs I'm pretty sure Kevan Barlow could taken that for a house call also.

No you got it wrong.

Efficiency (EFF)Rushing efficiency is calculated by taking the total distance a player traveled on rushing plays as a ball carrier according to Next Gen Stats (measured in yards) per rushing yards gained. The lower the number, the more of a North/South runner.

Coleman ranked 43rd Mostert 6th.

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/rushing#efficiency

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

I think that's the case for most RBs in the NFL if it's not blocked well they aren't getting much. While Coleman can be very frustrating cause he will drop his eyes and a hole will open up cause he didn't trust his line. I do think they are similar players. Mostert has the explosive speed and hits holes so fast that the O line looks like they blocked it really well. And once he's in the open you can't catch him. Coleman used to have that speed but it seems like he has bulked up and lost his speed trying to be a 3 down back.

Thats what i think as well, which doesn't suit him at all although he can do it when he is focused

Originally posted by 49ers90sBaby:
I thought you were done with this convo ?? Lol but he's the all purpose back that Most6eer is not. For all the praising yall want to do for Mostert he wasnt some elite back last season.

I'm praising Mostert as a better RB than Coleman and any objective fan would agree.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49ers90sBaby:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

I don't know if I'm reading this right. But Coleman was more effective than Mostert?

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I wasn't saying it as a statement of fact. I'm confused how they came to that conclusion. Only thing I can think is they factor in blocking. Cause some of Mostert's runs were just blocked perfectly. The trap vs the Packers in the playoffs I'm pretty sure Kevan Barlow could taken that for a house call also.

No you got it wrong.

Efficiency (EFF)Rushing efficiency is calculated by taking the total distance a player traveled on rushing plays as a ball carrier according to Next Gen Stats (measured in yards) per rushing yards gained. The lower the number, the more of a North/South runner.

Coleman ranked 43rd Mostert 6th.

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/rushing#efficiency

Ah thank you sir. Was confused cause my simpleton mind is like higher number is better

Originally posted by 49ers18:

Exactly! Thank you

Mostert was an all or nothing back, Coleman on the other hand can still get you 3 to 4 yards. That may not seem like much or flashy but it keeps the offense on schedule. I remember Mark Schlareth talking about it one game last season. Coleman gets you those dirty yards that aren't popular to alot of people

Originally posted by NYniner85:

I'm praising Mostert as a better RB than Coleman and any objective fan would agree.

Not in here, its split on who is better when they both are healthy

Originally posted by 49ers90sBaby:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

I'm praising Mostert as a better RB than Coleman and any objective fan would agree.

Not in here, its split on who is better when they both are healthy

Mostert is better but I don't think Coleman is a bad RB and I'm glad he is on the team. I think Tevon does think Raheem can't do(be the bruiser even though Tevons not a power back) but Raheem does explosive plays better than most in the NFL.

Originally posted by 49ers90sBaby:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Are guys actually saying Coleman is a power back? Lol. Couldn't be further from the truth.

His skill set is basically the same as Mostert. Blazing fast one cut hit the hole for explosive play back.

The problem is his vision isn't great (misses holes), he won't break any sort of tackle most of the time either. He takes what is given.

I wished they would have used him more as a pass catcher.

Coleman is your typical COP back.

Wrong wrong and wrong

HA how so? He's always been a one cut burner even in college. Prove to me otherwise.

He's not a tackle breaker and has had poor vision. That s**t showed up in ATL his last yr as well...

Originally posted by 49ers18:
An that is fine, it is your opinion as you said. Our opinioms differ, I feel like until the end of the season mostert was getting garbage time carries which would inflate his numbers. Again I would be very okay with Mostert making me eat crow.

Thank you for the link. That is so bad a$$! I love seeing that our guys were producing even though defenses were setting up for the run hahahaha

Again Mostert most certainly was not getting garbage time carries.

Welcome for the link.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49ers90sBaby:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Are guys actually saying Coleman is a power back? Lol. Couldn't be further from the truth.

His skill set is basically the same as Mostert. Blazing fast one cut hit the hole for explosive play back.

The problem is his vision isn't great (misses holes), he won't break any sort of tackle most of the time either. He takes what is given.

I wished they would have used him more as a pass catcher.

Coleman is your typical COP back.

Wrong wrong and wrong

HA how so? He's always been a one cut burner even in college. Prove to me otherwise.

He's not a tackle breaker and has had poor vision. That s**t showed up in ATL his last yr as well...

Highest percentage of carries resulting in a loss:
1. Tevin Coleman: 19.7
2. Dion Lewis: 18.6
3. Adrian Peterson: 15.9
4. Isaiah Crowell: 14.2
5. Joe Mixon: 13.4
6. LeSean McCoy: 13.2
7. Lamar Miller: 12.7
8. Matt Breida: 12.6
9. Peyton Barber: 12.42
10. Jordan Howard: 12.35

— Field Yates (@FieldYates) November 27, 2018

Mixon would be so f**king good in Kyles offense.

Originally posted by 49ers90sBaby:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I'm praising Mostert as a better RB than Coleman and any objective fan would agree.

Not in here, its split on who is better when they both are healthy

Disagree on that.

Originally posted by 49ers90sBaby:

Originally posted by 49ers18:
Exactly! Thank you

Mostert was an all or nothing back, Coleman on the other hand can still get you 3 to 4 yards. That may not seem like much or flashy but it keeps the offense on schedule. I remember Mark Schlareth talking about it one game last season. Coleman gets you those dirty yards that aren't popular to alot of people

Only this isn't true lol.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

HA how so? He's always been a one cut burner even in college. Prove to me otherwise.

He's not a tackle breaker and has had poor vision. That s**t showed up in ATL his last yr as well...

Highest percentage of carries resulting in a loss:
1. Tevin Coleman: 19.7
2. Dion Lewis: 18.6
3. Adrian Peterson: 15.9
4. Isaiah Crowell: 14.2
5. Joe Mixon: 13.4
6. LeSean McCoy: 13.2
7. Lamar Miller: 12.7
8. Matt Breida: 12.6
9. Peyton Barber: 12.42
10. Jordan Howard: 12.35

— Field Yates (@FieldYates) November 27, 2018

Mostert is really the cop back if we are being honest. Coleman comes in and hits them and Mostert gashes them, Mostert isnt an every down back. Coleman can do it

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Only this isn't true lol.

Which part isnt true, that he could still get yards even with no blocking ?? Lol