Tevin Coleman, RB

Originally posted by 49ers18:

Coleman 40% of the time vs 8+ man box.

Mostert 32% of the time vs 8+ man box....

1 of 3 carries mostert faced 8 man fronts.

All that stat really shows is they both faced a ton of 8+ men in the box. The fact that kyle uses so much pre-snap motion and plays out of 21 personnel helps a ton

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Originally posted by 49ers90sBaby:

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all 3 RBs were near the top in % vs 8+ man fronts..SF played a s**t ton out of 21 man personnel and dialed up a ton of pre-snap motions. That played a big part how defenses lined up.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

all 3 RBs were near the top in % vs 8+ man fronts..SF played a s**t ton out of 21 man personnel and dialed up a ton of pre-snap motions. That played a big part how defenses lined up.

I see what you're saying but at the same time, Coleman faced an 8 man more than any rb in the nfl. Its not just the SF rbs, he's almost 10% ahead of Mostert.

Originally posted by 49ers90sBaby:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
all 3 RBs were near the top in % vs 8+ man fronts..SF played a s**t ton out of 21 man personnel and dialed up a ton of pre-snap motions. That played a big part how defenses lined up.

I see what you're saying but at the same time, Coleman faced an 8 man more than any rb in the nfl. Its not just the SF rbs, he's almost 10% ahead of Mostert.

nevertheless, would you rather keep Cole or Mos?

Originally posted by 9moon:

nevertheless, would you rather keep Cole or Mos?

Coleman , more versatile and the more complete back. He was banged up and injured the better of last season. Ankle injury then he was hurt in seattle game and finally his shoulder. He usually never gets that banged up.

Originally posted by 49ers90sBaby:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
all 3 RBs were near the top in % vs 8+ man fronts..SF played a s**t ton out of 21 man personnel and dialed up a ton of pre-snap motions. That played a big part how defenses lined up.

I see what you're saying but at the same time, Coleman faced an 8 man more than any rb in the nfl. Its not just the SF rbs, he's almost 10% ahead of Mostert.

it was 8% which was 11 more carries.

Again it was because of the personnel they used that lead to those stacked boxes. Tossing in all that pre-snap motion and the OZ helped facing those fronts. It wasn't a hey let's just pound the ball right up the gut against 8+ defenders.

Originally posted by 9moon:
nevertheless, would you rather keep Cole or Mos?

Mostert for sure. He can do just about everything TC can only better. Coleman more than likely is gone after this season.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Mostert for sure. He can do just about everything TC can only better. Coleman more than likely is gone after this season.

No he cant lol

Originally posted by 49ers90sBaby:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

all 3 RBs were near the top in % vs 8+ man fronts..SF played a s**t ton out of 21 man personnel and dialed up a ton of pre-snap motions. That played a big part how defenses lined up.

I see what you're saying but at the same time, Coleman faced an 8 man more than any rb in the nfl. Its not just the SF rbs, he's almost 10% ahead of Mostert.

This is also because of how Kyle uses them. He typically uses Coleman on the early downs and the first series to start games and then hits them next with Mostert and to finish them off.

In short, body blows early, right hooks after that.

This is why I feel Wilson or another 'stout' runner have a real shot to replace Coleman in that role esp. given that non-Coleman option will be cheaper too.

Originally posted by NCommand:

This is also because of how Kyle uses them. He typically uses Coleman on the early downs and the first series to start games and then hits them next with Mostert and to finish them off.

In short, body blows early, right hooks after that.

This is why I feel Wilson or another 'stout' runner have a real shot to replace Coleman in that role esp. given that non-Coleman option will be cheaper too.

See imo, I don't see how giving Coleman the first series of a game, wears down a defense. I think that's an exaggeration or excuse for not performing well. You can also look at the games Coleman missed an both Breida/Mostert performed better than Coleman on early downs.

Imo Coleman was never meant to be a road grader "hit you with body blows" he's an explosive OZ RB much like Mostert. Thing is Mostert did his job better.

Like you pointed on wilson could do that between the tackles hard yard stuff RB or whatever people think Coleman did.

Originally posted by NCommand:

This is also because of how Kyle uses them. He typically uses Coleman on the early downs and the first series to start games and then hits them next with Mostert and to finish them off.

In short, body blows early, right hooks after that.

This is why I feel Wilson or another 'stout' runner have a real shot to replace Coleman in that role esp. given that non-Coleman option will be cheaper too.

Also uses him too see what the defense is going to be doing. Idk man, when you have someone that doesnt make mistakes and is a tough runner. There's a reason alot of people on the team love him.

Originally posted by 49ers90sBaby:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

all 3 RBs were near the top in % vs 8+ man fronts..SF played a s**t ton out of 21 man personnel and dialed up a ton of pre-snap motions. That played a big part how defenses lined up.

I see what you're saying but at the same time, Coleman faced an 8 man more than any rb in the nfl. Its not just the SF rbs, he's almost 10% ahead of Mostert.

Wouldn't it be more realistic to say that Coleman and Mostert are underrated then? I still don't understand the logic that Coleman is better tho.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Wouldn't it be more realistic to say that Coleman and Mostert are underrated then? I still don't understand the logic that Coleman is better tho.

Because he's not lol...he had 11 more carries vs 8+ D fronts then Mostert, every RB in SF faced a ton of stacked boxes.

Coleman should be the starter with Mostert being the change of pace.