CB Jason Verrett IS BACK on IR!

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
The fact that the front office expected anything other than this outcome is just plain stupid. Anyone could have told you this guy was done.

Waste of time and a roster spot. Should have brought someone who was actually proven, healthy and reliable. Now it's biting us with friggin Moseley in the starting lineup. Lynch is not a bright man.

Like?

Like... any of the names about #17 (where Verrett is slotted) on this list of 2019 FAs: https://walterfootball.com/freeagents2019CB.php

There is nobody on that list who provided the best bang for the buck signing. We rolled the dice that he can stay healthy. It worked out for us with Sherman.
Didn't work out in this case.

Pretending the move was bad now is lame.

Pretty much everyone at the time thought it was a low risk high reward move.

I'm not pretending the move is bad now. I knew it was a bad move the minute they signed him. Yes low risk because it wasn't a big contract but I never saw any reward component to it. The guy was completely shot; everyone knew that.

Originally posted by Scottie15:
To wait until more than just 3 games to proclaim as some all-knowing genius that he clearly isn't.

More fun to proclaim him an idiot who can't draft.

I don't think people really mean what they say when they say Lynch is not intelligent. He obviously is.

That being said, I understand their frustration from their perspective because 49ers fans are tired of bringing in injured projects. Kentavius Street, Jimmie ward, Jason Verrett, Marcus Lattimore, Tank Carradine. Needs to stop. It's almost as if the 49ers brass thinks we have a world class medical staff that can solve these complicated injuries and get them back on the field 100%.

Because of what? Because we had FRANK GORE??? Because he recovered from those knee injuries and the one exception to the rule and the anomaly?

I'd love to know just what is the thinking that goes on in the front office, when they decide to spend a 4th round pick on an ACL redshirt, or spend 3 million on a "low risk, high reward" injured player.

At least they are lucky so far that Kwon Alexander worked out, but I won't say this definitively because I know I'm gonna jinx it.

I don't think Verrett returns - he's going to need some practice time to get back on the field. Just imagine him trying to get in the lineup with his past performances. I don't think it happens.

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

It's wonderful to have the benefit of hindsight. I wish some of the complainers were the GM. Then all our draft picks would be starting and the free agents would be pro bowlers. Maybe they should apply for the job instead of sitting on their butt and eating pizza.

This wasn't even a bad move in hindsight. It was a 1-year prove-it deal for a former Pro Bowl CB coming off a series of injuries. This was the "low risk" of the deal, and while everyone would have loved to have the "high reward" half of that phrase, this outcome wasn't exactly hard to see happening. It's not like the team put all their resources into Verrett alone. Far from it.

No issues with taking a chance but he was never on the field long enough to genuinely earn a spot, let alone the #2 CB spot. I have no issues with moneyball acquisitions like this (low risk, high reward) but just don't rely on them and make sure they actually earn their way up the depth chart because as we're seeing, we're half a step away from J.Ward and D.Johnson starting and E.Moseley and J.Skule already are and we've only played 3 games so far.

They weren't relying on Verrett, though. They were relying on Sherman and Witherspoon, and that looked to be a correct evaluation, even with Witherspoon's injury. No team has Pro Bowlers on the bench ready to step in when their starters go down. They just don't. Health in the league is a total crap shoot. Staley, for example, has had multiple seasons without missing games due to injury. He's as reliable as they come. Yet, here he is, injured. This cannot be controlled. Do you think the Patriots wanted to play with some of their OL starters out for the season? And we all know if Brady goes down they're done. Every team is in this position, and they look to ride it out to the best of their ability.

True but OL and DB's are crucial in these schemes and in winning. When you aren't stacking up on those positions and filing up the 53 with oft-injured players, you end up like this...every time. Like I said, had he actually genuinely earned a spot and pushed Witherspoon to another level, no worries. But he didn't. And then he's not healthy again. That's a spot that could have gone to someone else. No issues giving him a go...just can't give him a free roster spot to try and heal. Heal and THEN be given a shot. We're not a damn recovery Ward.

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

I don't think people really mean what they say when they say Lynch is not intelligent. He obviously is.

That being said, I understand their frustration from their perspective because 49ers fans are tired of bringing in injured projects. Kentavius Street, Jimmie ward, Jason Verrett, Marcus Lattimore, Tank Carradine. Needs to stop. It's almost as if the 49ers brass thinks we have a world class medical staff that can solve these complicated injuries and get them back on the field 100%.

Because of what? Because we had FRANK GORE??? Because he recovered from those knee injuries and the one exception to the rule and the anomaly?

I'd love to know just what is the thinking that goes on in the front office, when they decide to spend a 4th round pick on an ACL redshirt, or spend 3 million on a "low risk, high reward" injured player.

At least they are lucky so far that Kwon Alexander worked out, but I won't say this definitively because I know I'm gonna jinx it.

These are just moneyball moves. The problem is, they rarely work (for us) and when you add up all these little $5M contacts on take-a-chance players, they start to eat into that cap space, ruin roster spots and hinder development for other players. The Ward-effect.

Originally posted by NCommand:

These are just moneyball moves. The problem is, they rarely work (for us) and when you add up all these little $5M contacts on take-a-chance players, they start to eat into that cap space, ruin roster spots and hinder development for other players. The Ward-effect.

I disagree, cap space only matters when you have to alter decision making, i.e letting someone go you want to keep or not bringing those in.

We have had more than enough cap room to roll the dice.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by NCommand:

These are just moneyball moves. The problem is, they rarely work (for us) and when you add up all these little $5M contacts on take-a-chance players, they start to eat into that cap space, ruin roster spots and hinder development for other players. The Ward-effect.

I disagree, cap space only matters when you have to alter decision making, i.e letting someone go you want to keep or not bringing those in.

We have had more than enough cap room to roll the dice.

Sure, year 1 or 2 but now, we're in the red next year so rollover $ matters. But yeah, I'm more concerned about the lack of looking for a healthy viable player because they have a Ward and how it ends up hurting your 53/46 and development in the off season (young or healthy player losing snaps).

So going on injured reserve, unless they do an injury settlement with him, do the 49ers retain his rights next year? Sort of like a certificate of non-operation for a broken down car. It's still yours but useless at the moment.

Originally posted by Sourball:

So going on injured reserve, unless they do an injury settlement with him, do the 49ers retain his rights next year? Sort of like a certificate of non-operation for a broken down car. It's still yours but useless at the moment.

He's a free agent in March.

Dam....so long JV

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

I don't think people really mean what they say when they say Lynch is not intelligent. He obviously is.

That being said, I understand their frustration from their perspective because 49ers fans are tired of bringing in injured projects. Kentavius Street, Jimmie ward, Jason Verrett, Marcus Lattimore, Tank Carradine. Needs to stop. It's almost as if the 49ers brass thinks we have a world class medical staff that can solve these complicated injuries and get them back on the field 100%.

Because of what? Because we had FRANK GORE??? Because he recovered from those knee injuries and the one exception to the rule and the anomaly?

I'd love to know just what is the thinking that goes on in the front office, when they decide to spend a 4th round pick on an ACL redshirt, or spend 3 million on a "low risk, high reward" injured player.

At least they are lucky so far that Kwon Alexander worked out, but I won't say this definitively because I know I'm gonna jinx it.

So we should never draft or sign a player that's had a injury history? You wouldn't be able to field a team. That doesn't make any sense, that's part of football. Your obviously not going to hit on every one of them but a lot of our FA's have worked out well if you ask me.

Sherman- looks like a top 15 CB to me
Juice - best at his position, helps offense so much
Kwon Alexander - has been playing super well
K'waun Williams - one of the best slot CB in nfl
Pearson - been playing like a top 10 guard this year
Richburg - Been playing really well this year
Goodwin - Solid WR, scares defenses with speed
These are pivotal pieces to our team. This doesn't mention trading for Jimmy G, Tomlinson, Dee Ford. Getting a franchise QB is the biggest/best move a GM can make and we have that. I don't understand what people are complaining about. The difference in talent from our 2017 roster when Shanahan and Lynch took over to what our roster looks like now is night and day. I don't know how you could argue otherwise. It's finally paying off. We have one of the best offenses and defenses in the league. We are
3-0. Stop complaining.

I totally understand the frustration right now. This goes to show why you can never have too many :starting quality" players. How quickly 3 outside CBs and 4 RBs become 1 CB and 2 RBs.
This was the moment we needed JV the most...gotta hope Ahkello is back soon.

Originally posted by zonkers:

Originally posted by LVJay:
Rumor has it, the nail on his baby toe scraped (roughly) on the top of his shoe and nearly came apart as he chased after ghosts

Clearly has a lower pain tolerance than Hospital Ward.

Maybe that's what the tweet was about...he knew he wouldn't be able to give it a full go and IR was coming, hence the tweet that some of us thought was him b***hing about Ward or Moseley starting over him was actually because of his "pain tolerance" and another injury

Originally posted by Luckycharms:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:
I don't think people really mean what they say when they say Lynch is not intelligent. He obviously is.

That being said, I understand their frustration from their perspective because 49ers fans are tired of bringing in injured projects. Kentavius Street, Jimmie ward, Jason Verrett, Marcus Lattimore, Tank Carradine. Needs to stop. It's almost as if the 49ers brass thinks we have a world class medical staff that can solve these complicated injuries and get them back on the field 100%.

Because of what? Because we had FRANK GORE??? Because he recovered from those knee injuries and the one exception to the rule and the anomaly?

I'd love to know just what is the thinking that goes on in the front office, when they decide to spend a 4th round pick on an ACL redshirt, or spend 3 million on a "low risk, high reward" injured player.

At least they are lucky so far that Kwon Alexander worked out, but I won't say this definitively because I know I'm gonna jinx it.

So we should never draft or sign a player that's had a injury history? You wouldn't be able to field a team. That doesn't make any sense, that's part of football. Your obviously not going to hit on every one of them but a lot of our FA's have worked out well if you ask me.

Sherman- looks like a top 15 CB to me
Juice - best at his position, helps offense so much
Kwon Alexander - has been playing super well
K'waun Williams - one of the best slot CB in nfl
Pearson - been playing like a top 10 guard this year
Richburg - Been playing really well this year
Goodwin - Solid WR, scares defenses with speed
These are pivotal pieces to our team. This doesn't mention trading for Jimmy G, Tomlinson, Dee Ford. Getting a franchise QB is the biggest/best move a GM can make and we have that. I don't understand what people are complaining about. The difference in talent from our 2017 roster when Shanahan and Lynch took over to what our roster looks like now is night and day. I don't know how you could argue otherwise. It's finally paying off. We have one of the best offenses and defenses in the league. We are
3-0. Stop complaining.

So we are 3-0, and we should stop questioning their moves? Okay, got it.

Look, you can't have an honest discussion here because we are riding high right now at the moment. And I get that. But realize, that can change fairly quickly if injuries start piling up.

I wasn't saying don't ever sign injured players anyway. It's all a case by case. If they've had a large history of getting constantly getting injured like Jimmie Ward or Verrett, then no, I don't think signing these types of players are a good move, if you ask me.

If they've had a one-off injury, then maybe you could look at that and say, okay well it happened once. Maybe it was just a freak accident. So you could still sign someone like this in free agency.

In the draft....its different. I'd always aim to get healthy players. I never liked the "get a guy a round early at a value because he's injured". It almost never works out.