2019 Depth Chart Tracker/53-man Roster Predictions

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by Scarlettlove:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Thank goodness you're not negotiating for my beloved 49ers.

At this point either QB's could be traded for more than a 3rd, easily. So, given that Shanny looks to be comfortable with carrying 3 QB's, if I were in the FO I'd demand nothing less than a 2nd plus bodies and late picks, or a 1st plus late picks.

Negotiating 101: when in the position of power use it We have a very valuable, expensive commodity that is sought after and guarded jealously! And, we have it in surplus. The rules of the NFL has been changed to the point of ridiculousness in order to protect them from the otherwise natural progression of the game. It has been well established that teams CANNOT win without one.

No way on earth should we deal either of these commodities away for anything less than their current on-the-filed value. And both of them have proven that, at the very least, they are more valuable now than how they initially came into the league.

To Lynch, Shanny, and the FO: go get that pound of flesh

You can ask for the moon but it doesn't mean you will get it. With Luck retiring they won't win many games this year is my guess. So that third is going to be a high third round pick. We got Jimmy for a second round pick and I don't think anyone would argue that Jimmy isnt hands down the better QB. You have to ask yourself if they would consider Beat hard a franchise QB. I think the answer is no to that question. We would be lucky to get a 3rd for him honestly.

Seriously?

Then we keep 3 QB's. Why should we give either of them away cheaply? So, IMHO, I think you're completely wrong. A 3rd is too low considering the value of QB's. And if a team don't wanna pay the price then we should keep them all.

I hate to break it to you but neither Mullens or Beathard will not command that much. Maybe a 3rd for Mullens if we are lucky enough. Alex Smith went for a 2nd. Jimmy G went for a 2nd. The market is not that hot for backups.

Originally posted by miked1978:

I hate to break it to you but neither Mullens or Beathard will not command that much. Maybe a 3rd for Mullens if we are lucky enough. Alex Smith went for a 2nd. Jimmy G went for a 2nd. The market is not that hot for backups.

I concur

Originally posted by 49er-from-Yavin-IV:

Kyle's ego is nowhere near as big as many of the fans on this board.

It's really not. He's cut Joe Williams but we'll have to see with BeatHard because of him being perceived as a QB guru. I think he does the right thing here.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49er-from-Yavin-IV:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I know man. I genuinely might do a Kyle Shanahan 53 here (and another "I" actually want).

Kyle controls the 53 and let's be honest, he has his favorites, he has an ego and he has certain players in his dog house. At the end of the day, there are always a couple surprises every year for the initial 53.

But most of what you and I discuss here at this point is the final 7 players or so it's not significant at the end of the day.

The WR, OL, DL and LB unit has actually turned out harder than I initially thought (for various reasons).

Kyle's ego is nowhere near as big as many of the fans on this board.

Let go of his boy Williams who he went to bat for...

Good point. Kyle has an ego, but if the results aren't there, he's going to change. Same with Halfley and Zgonina - he let them go. Vs Harbaugh and the Roman offense. Harbaugh never could let Roman go. (the Harbaugh/Baalke feud didn't help with that either - in hindsight). At least currently we don't have the GM and the HC fighting for political points.

Originally posted by PopeyeJonesing:

Thanks man.

The one thing I'm mindful of is I think both of us probably WANT the three QBs thing to just be trade smokescreen, so our reasoning is motivated a little bit.

Kyle's been known for being stubborn LONG before he even came to the 9ers and we cared about him, so I can see him keeping three QBs, and this just being another one of those "taking the good with the bad" type of things we'll have to live with about him.

If that is the case, in the grand scheme of things, I also don't think it really matters. It feels super important because we don't have anything else to talk about this week, but once we have real football the 53rd guy on the roster is almost always entirely meaningless.

I'm chuckling because this is so true!

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49er-from-Yavin-IV:
Kyle's ego is nowhere near as big as many of the fans on this board.

It's really not. He's cut Joe Williams but we'll have to see with BeatHard because of him being perceived as a QB guru. I think he does the right thing here.

If ShanaLynch can get Jimmy for a measly 2nd rounder, and get Dee Ford for a measly 2nd rounder - I have high hopes they can get a good OLineman for a measly 3rd round QB with a big arm.

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Seriously?

Then we keep 3 QB's. Why should we give either of them away cheaply? So, IMHO, I think you're completely wrong. A 3rd is too low considering the value of QB's. And if a team don't wanna pay the price then we should keep them all.

Trading BeatHard later in the season might be more advantageous, considering by the trade deadline, there will be QB's on IR and teams that will need decent backup QB's - like what happened to us with Jimmy last year, and Luck being injured last year. I think Bellicheat traded that 2nd round pick from the 49ers last year for a lot of draft capital, got Hoyer from the 49ers at the trade deadline by us cutting Hoyer and them resighing Hoyer, and then trading his backup QB's (was it Brisset?) at around that time too to Indianapolis I think. I probably am wrong about the timelines. But, in other words, my main point was maybe keeping BeatHard and trading him later in the year will garner more trade capital for us.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

I don't think we're done here at all. This group is not settled and we will be looking at the waiver and the bottom of rosters closely. The more versatile the player, and if their even a slight improvement over who we have today, I expect them to move quickly.

I really hope you're right. 7-10 is worthy.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49er-from-Yavin-IV:

Kyle's ego is nowhere near as big as many of the fans on this board.

It's really not. He's cut Joe Williams but we'll have to see with BeatHard because of him being perceived as a QB guru. I think he does the right thing here.

If ShanaLynch can get Jimmy for a measly 2nd rounder, and get Dee Ford for a measly 2nd rounder - I have high hopes they can get a good OLineman for a measly 3rd round QB with a big arm.

I'm in.

Originally posted by Giedi:
Trading BeatHard later in the season might be more advantageous, considering by the trade deadline, there will be QB's on IR and teams that will need decent backup QB's - like what happened to us with Jimmy last year, and Luck being injured last year. I think Bellicheat traded that 2nd round pick from the 49ers last year for a lot of draft capital, got Hoyer from the 49ers at the trade deadline by us cutting Hoyer and them resighing Hoyer, and then trading his backup QB's (was it Brisset?) at around that time too to Indianapolis I think. I probably am wrong about the timelines. But, in other words, my main point was maybe keeping BeatHard and trading him later in the year will garner more trade capital for us.

Holding onto Beathard into the season would also allow the FO to trade him for a player to replace (or provide depth) an injured 49er player.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
there is absolutely no f**king way toran makes the team

There is absolutely no way Garnett and Ward and Mabin and Dontae Johnson and...make this team either but every year, some of these scrubs do.

TBF, Toran is terrible but the coaches love that he can "play" (define that how you will) both G spots and C. Garland shouldn't be starting over Johnson either but he is.

The hardest thing to do when making these 53 is to "think like the coaches/FO." Read the tea leaves. Consider draft capital, favortism, investment in time and salary cap.

NC, I think the most reliable way to read Shanahan's mind is by a player's usage in the third pre-season game. For instance, Beathard not playing. It's possible to probable that Brunskill as the firsr OL guard off the bench against the Chiefs indicates Shanahan prefers him over Najee. Besides, Brunskill is a better name.

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Trading BeatHard later in the season might be more advantageous, considering by the trade deadline, there will be QB's on IR and teams that will need decent backup QB's - like what happened to us with Jimmy last year, and Luck being injured last year. I think Bellicheat traded that 2nd round pick from the 49ers last year for a lot of draft capital, got Hoyer from the 49ers at the trade deadline by us cutting Hoyer and them resighing Hoyer, and then trading his backup QB's (was it Brisset?) at around that time too to Indianapolis I think. I probably am wrong about the timelines. But, in other words, my main point was maybe keeping BeatHard and trading him later in the year will garner more trade capital for us.

Holding onto Beathard into the season would also allow the FO to trade him for a player to replace (or provide depth) an injured 49er player.

In the NFL draft pick is like a currency. It is much easier to trade a player for picks than a nonmonetary barter type (analogy) player for player trade. So to me there is no reason to hold on to a player hoping for a barter later in the year.

In terms of trading him later in the year would result in more trade capital, it is a big maybe.

Post Pre-Season Week 3 Prediction:

QB: (2) Garoppolo, Mullens
HB: (3) Breida, Coleman, Mostert
FB: (1) Juice
TE: (2) Kittle, Dwelley
WR: (7) Pettis, Samuel, Taylor, Goodwin, Hurd, James, Matthews
OL: (9) Staley, Tomlinson, Person, McGlinchey, Young, Garnett, Richburg, Johnson, Brunskill
DL: (10) Ford, Buckner, Bosa, Armstead, Thomas, Moore, Street, Taylor, Blair, Jones
LB: (6) Warner, Alexander, Greenlaw, Smith, Nzeocha, Mayo
DB: (10) Sherman, Witherspoon, Verrett, Williams, Reed, Moseley, Moore, Tartt, Exum, Ward
K: (1) Gould
P: (1) Wishnowsky
LS: (1) Holba


Notes:

- Beathard gets traded still.

- McKinnon to IR.

- Taylor's injury and Hurd being held out make it seem like we may need/decide to keep 7 WR after all.

- I noticed Brunskill played with the starters at RG when Jimmy was still on the field. Think perhaps he makes the initial cut, but also feel like we will look for a trade/waiver claim that eventually causes Garnett or Brunskill to get cut, even if they make the initial 53.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Post Pre-Season Week 3 Prediction:

QB: (2) Garoppolo, Mullens
HB: (3) Breida, Coleman, Mostert
FB: (1) Juice
TE: (2) Kittle, Dwelley
WR: (7) Pettis, Samuel, Taylor, Goodwin, Hurd, James, Matthews
OL: (9) Staley, Tomlinson, Person, McGlinchey, Young, Garnett, Richburg, Johnson, Brunskill
DL: (10) Ford, Buckner, Bosa, Armstead, Thomas, Moore, Street, Taylor, Blair, Jones
LB: (6) Warner, Alexander, Greenlaw, Smith, Nzeocha, Mayo
DB: (10) Sherman, Witherspoon, Verrett, Williams, Reed, Moseley, Moore, Tartt, Exum, Ward
K: (1) Gould
P: (1) Wishnowsky
LS: (1) Holba

No Sheldon Day? I only point that out because it seems like a tough position group to sort out.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Post Pre-Season Week 3 Prediction:

QB: (2) Garoppolo, Mullens
HB: (3) Breida, Coleman, Mostert
FB: (1) Juice
TE: (2) Kittle, Dwelley
WR: (7) Pettis, Samuel, Taylor, Goodwin, Hurd, James, Matthews
OL: (9) Staley, Tomlinson, Person, McGlinchey, Young, Garnett, Richburg, Johnson, Brunskill
DL: (10) Ford, Buckner, Bosa, Armstead, Thomas, Moore, Street, Taylor, Blair, Jones
LB: (6) Warner, Alexander, Greenlaw, Smith, Nzeocha, Mayo
DB: (10) Sherman, Witherspoon, Verrett, Williams, Reed, Moseley, Moore, Tartt, Exum, Ward
K: (1) Gould
P: (1) Wishnowsky
LS: (1) Holba

No Sheldon Day? I only point that out because it seems like a tough position group to sort out.

Taking a wild guess at them having plans for Taylor and Jones to man that spot.