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Originally posted by tankle104:
Signing bonus isn't really front loading - it's paying him a lump sum upfront and then spreading it throughout the life of the contract. So most likely the money he gets in the signing bonus will be allocated to the back half of the contract. I just hope it's like 5-6 years.

our next two years are pretty heavy with contracts so I expect his base will be relatively low this season and next, once the contract is negotiated.

The issue with a massive signing bonus are two things. The owner needs to have all that cash up front and while it spread out (for salary cap purposes)…that signing bonus for each yr (which is split up equally for up to 5yrs) is gtd on the cap no matter what happens to that player.

Larger signing bonus =higher prorated signing bonus each yr. So long as Bosa stays healthy, it shouldn't be an issue. He's worth it.

I think his cap hit will be lower than it is this currently after the signing and relatively "okay" next yr, after that it's gonna be QB money lol.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Signing bonus isn't really front loading - it's paying him a lump sum upfront and then spreading it throughout the life of the contract. So most likely the money he gets in the signing bonus will be allocated to the back half of the contract. I just hope it's like 5-6 years.

our next two years are pretty heavy with contracts so I expect his base will be relatively low this season and next, once the contract is negotiated.

The issue with a massive signing bonus are two things. The owner needs to have all that cash up front and while it spread out…that signing bonus for each yr (which is split up equally for up to 5yrs) is gtd on the cap no matter what happens to that player. Larger signing bonus =higher prorated signing bonus each yr. So long as Bosa stays healthy, it shouldn't be an issue.

I think cap hit will be lower than it is this yr and relatively "okay" next yr, after that it's gonna be QB money lol.

If I may, the signing bonus isn't an issue, the team & player usually agrees to a payment arraignment for the bonus, rookies get this, mainly 1st rd picks, they'll basically backload the deal cap wise, frontload cash wise.

As for cap hits, probably something like this, $8.08M(23), $12M(24), $30M+(25-28)

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by susweel:

Bosa getting traded to the Jets

Sus?!

Lol just checking in on the bosa situation.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
If I may, the signing bonus isn't an issue, the team & player usually agrees to a payment arraignment for the bonus, rookies get this, mainly 1st rd picks, they'll basically backload the deal cap wise, frontload cash wise.

As for cap hits, probably something like this, $8.08M(23), $12M(24), $30M+(25-28)

Thanks for adding more context.

I remember reading a while ago that Mark Davis couldn't sign Mack because he simply didn't have the actual cash flow to pay for his signing bonus? From what I've read that cash has to be paid within the first 12-18 months of signing?

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by susweel:
Bosa getting traded to the Jets

Sus?!

Lol just checking in on the bosa situation.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by btthepunk:

Originally posted by Garce:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Garce:
According to over the cap, we have $10m. I can't see how this gets done.

Bosa is already signed for this year.

Yeah, he's holding out for more money....

Probably won't be much more (if any) this year, possibly even less. The extension will go into effect next year.

It'll go down by almost $10M cap wise, he'll likely get somewhere in the range of a $35M signing bonus, he'll get a s**t ton of fully GTD money, probably $90M+.

Also we don't really have $10M, sure we have it top 51 wise, but when you count players 52 & 53, the PS, injured players, that money gets eaten up quickly, even if we did have $10M, you add that to $18M, that's only $28M upfront, he'll get more with an extension, if the bonus is $35M, plus $1.08M base, that's over $36M in year 1 cash wise, $8.08M cap number in year 1.

Frontload that guaranteed money like there's no tomorrow! Gotta fit Aiyuk and Trey in the Cap somehow next year.

Signing bonus isn't really front loading - it's paying him a lump sum upfront and then spreading it throughout the life of the contract. So most likely the money he gets in the signing bonus will be allocated to the back half of the contract. I just hope it's like 5-6 years.

our next two years are pretty heavy with contracts so I expect his base will be relatively low this season and next, once the contract is negotiated.

Paying the Guaranteed money and accounting for the frontloading of the guaranteed money are two totally different things.

Paraag does the frontloading for Core players - from the cap standpoint to allow for cap flexibility. The reason for the frontloading, in my opinion, is it more accurately reflects the actual nature of the typical player careers. Most NFL careers are over in about 3.5 years. So if you can frontload that guaranteed money into 3.5 years on a 5 year contract, you can free up the cap space in year 2 and year 3 for more free agents etc... Example, Jimmy - when he renegotiated his contract last year and left us this year, there was no dead money, whereas this year we still have 8 million in dead cap from Dee Ford.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Signing bonus isn't really front loading - it's paying him a lump sum upfront and then spreading it throughout the life of the contract. So most likely the money he gets in the signing bonus will be allocated to the back half of the contract. I just hope it's like 5-6 years.

our next two years are pretty heavy with contracts so I expect his base will be relatively low this season and next, once the contract is negotiated.

The issue with a massive signing bonus are two things. The owner needs to have all that cash up front and while it spread out…that signing bonus for each yr (which is split up equally for up to 5yrs) is gtd on the cap no matter what happens to that player. Larger signing bonus =higher prorated signing bonus each yr. So long as Bosa stays healthy, it shouldn't be an issue.

I think cap hit will be lower than it is this yr and relatively "okay" next yr, after that it's gonna be QB money lol.

If I may, the signing bonus isn't an issue, the team & player usually agrees to a payment arraignment for the bonus, rookies get this, mainly 1st rd picks, they'll basically backload the deal cap wise, frontload cash wise.

As for cap hits, probably something like this, $8.08M(23), $12M(24), $30M+(25-28)

AGree 💯%, and from a 2024 cap standpoint the players that I see will be the hardest to retain capwise if we win that #6 🏆 will be Trey Lance, Brandon Aiyuk, Kyle Juszczyk, possibly Drey Greenlaw. If Trent Williams retires this year after a possible super bowl win, that's also a bunch of dead cap money 49ers have to deal with . ShanaLYnch has to get that rookie left tackle in place this next offseason or 49ers are going to be really hurting, capwise.

He will want to be with brother in San Diego/LA Friday..

Countdown 3-2-1...

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Signing bonus isn't really front loading - it's paying him a lump sum upfront and then spreading it throughout the life of the contract. So most likely the money he gets in the signing bonus will be allocated to the back half of the contract. I just hope it's like 5-6 years.

our next two years are pretty heavy with contracts so I expect his base will be relatively low this season and next, once the contract is negotiated.

The issue with a massive signing bonus are two things. The owner needs to have all that cash up front and while it spread out…that signing bonus for each yr (which is split up equally for up to 5yrs) is gtd on the cap no matter what happens to that player. Larger signing bonus =higher prorated signing bonus each yr. So long as Bosa stays healthy, it shouldn't be an issue.

I think cap hit will be lower than it is this yr and relatively "okay" next yr, after that it's gonna be QB money lol.

If I may, the signing bonus isn't an issue, the team & player usually agrees to a payment arraignment for the bonus, rookies get this, mainly 1st rd picks, they'll basically backload the deal cap wise, frontload cash wise.

As for cap hits, probably something like this, $8.08M(23), $12M(24), $30M+(25-28)

So in this scenario they would not free up cap space this season?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
If I may, the signing bonus isn't an issue, the team & player usually agrees to a payment arraignment for the bonus, rookies get this, mainly 1st rd picks, they'll basically backload the deal cap wise, frontload cash wise.

As for cap hits, probably something like this, $8.08M(23), $12M(24), $30M+(25-28)

Thanks for adding more context.

I remember reading a while ago that Mark Davis couldn't sign Mack because he simply didn't have the actual cash flow to pay for his signing bonus? From what I've read that cash has to be paid within the first 12-18 months of signing?

I've heard the same thing, the ownership has to have the cash on hand. I trust AB when he says that there are payment methods for it - can you expand on that, AB? Give an example, please?

I read the big reason the team had to get ownerships approval on Hargrave was because we had to fork $28M jn cash to him for his signing bonus, like NY said, need it on hand.

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by susweel:
Bosa getting traded to the Jets

Yeah we know. And then when he signs his extension to stay here, instead of acknowledging that you were wrong, you'll just complain that it's too much money.

This.

Originally posted by Giedi:
AGree 💯%, and from a 2024 cap standpoint the players that I see will be the hardest to retain capwise if we win that #6 🏆 will be Trey Lance, Brandon Aiyuk, Kyle Juszczyk, possibly Drey Greenlaw. If Trent Williams retires this year after a possible super bowl win, that's also a bunch of dead cap money 49ers have to deal with . ShanaLYnch has to get that rookie left tackle in place this next offseason or 49ers are going to be really hurting, capwise.

I don't think we keep Juice, unless he takes a big pay cut, unfortunately. He's important to what we are doing but I feel like that is why we are targeting guys like colleto.
I think we will resign BA. Keep our top two WR and then filling behind them with cheap young players like jennings/bell.

i worry about greenlaw but I'm optimistic we can keep him. I'm not concerned about Trent retiring, he loves the game too much and is too damn good.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Saw that he's in NYC today. I know his agent (Brian Ayrault CAA Sports) is in NYC so that might mean something

edit: these 49er Twitter handles are fast haha

Nick Bosa watch 👀🕵️‍♂️

Nick Bosa is currently in New York where his agent's office is located 👀#49ers|| #FTTB pic.twitter.com/unezY9RHbt

— OurSF49ers (@OurSf49ers) August 22, 2023

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Bosa signed yet?

I feel like this contract will do to the d-line, line Trent's contract did to the o-line..