DE Nick Bosa "Smaller Bear" NO POLITICS

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
I get the feeling that Bosa doesn't GAF, so it comes down to when the FO will cave.

But he does, he loves the game, the team, football, he loves all that stuff. Can't imagine this dude, just watching week 1 football from the couch. No way on earth.

I wonder what the issues are. I mean this has been known for 2 years. Lol nothing about this contract and what he would demand is a surprise. Hell his brother signed his extension in 2020 and said at the time that his brother would set the market when his time comes.

i just don't know what they could be fighting about, we really don't have any leverage.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
I get the feeling that Bosa doesn't GAF, so it comes down to when the FO will cave.

But he does, he loves the game, the team, football, he loves all that stuff. Can't imagine this dude, just watching week 1 football from the couch. No way on earth.

I wonder what the issues are. I mean this has been known for 2 years. Lol nothing about this contract and what he would demand is a surprise. Hell his brother signed his extension in 2020 and said at the time that his brother would set the market when his time comes.

i just don't know what they could be fighting about, we really don't have any leverage.

It's to me how negotiations work. We saw TJ Watt's negotiation last until 9/9. The agent knows if they wait it out, the odds of the team, the fans, the FO panicking goes up. When the team panics, that's when they cave and the agent wins. That's what the agent wants. So even tho the agent has a good offer in hand, the agent is seeing if he can get a panic offer. We would be wise not to panic. Never panic, in negotiations. When Bosa starts staring down the barrel of missing week 1, he will be on his agent to get this thing wrapped.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by justjim77:
Public opinion typically matters to players. Although we don't know how much he wants, I'm guessing it's more than top DE money. Players who demand to be the highest paid non QB are not only greedy, but crappy team mates. Not leaving money left for others leaves your team weaker in spots. I'm hoping Nick gets a big bag of money from us ASAP, but it shouldn't be much more than Watt (who's a better player)

Disagree on both of these statements

Agreed.

+2

I disagree with this as well. A lot of guys on our team (Warner, armstead, kittle, juice, Trent) are amongst the highest paid at their position and are captains. So that doesn't make sense.

i do think some guys are selfish and hypocrites but not guys like bosa. Especially if he structures it in a way to help the team. I think guys like Rodgers have been selfish/greedy at times in his career because he signed short deals so he could continually be amongst the highest paid at the position, instead of doing what mahommes and hurts have done where it's long contracts to help the team stay competitive. I wouldn't put bosa in that group.

Rodgers last 2 contracts were 4 years and then 3 years. It's hard to build a competitive roster outside of the draft when you don't have 5-6 years to spread the large qb salary around.

Once Bosa signs, this roster will be its absolute peak talent wise, maybe that it ever can be. We really have to take advantage of this window, because as soon as we have to start paying Purdy what he's worth, will no longer be able to pay the best T, RB, LB, TE and ER in the league.

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by WINiner:
Any leaks as to what Bosa's team is looking for?

It looks like we are arguing between "top edge rush money" to maybe "should he get aaron donald money"

Wow. No wonder.

No wonder? I thought everyone was expecting him to want "highest defensive player in the league" money. No way should that have come as a surprise to the team, nor should it be the hang up. Pay the man!

Everyone but Paraag.

If things get poisonous, he gonna ask for a trade.

If we're quibbling for numbers below 35, I'm not sure there's going to be any respect left for the FO.

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by justjim77:
Public opinion typically matters to players. Although we don't know how much he wants, I'm guessing it's more than top DE money. Players who demand to be the highest paid non QB are not only greedy, but crappy team mates. Not leaving money left for others leaves your team weaker in spots. I'm hoping Nick gets a big bag of money from us ASAP, but it shouldn't be much more than Watt (who's a better player)

Disagree on both of these statements

Agreed.

+2

I disagree with this as well. A lot of guys on our team (Warner, armstead, kittle, juice, Trent) are amongst the highest paid at their position and are captains. So that doesn't make sense.

i do think some guys are selfish and hypocrites but not guys like bosa. Especially if he structures it in a way to help the team. I think guys like Rodgers have been selfish/greedy at times in his career because he signed short deals so he could continually be amongst the highest paid at the position, instead of doing what mahommes and hurts have done where it's long contracts to help the team stay competitive. I wouldn't put bosa in that group.

Rodgers last 2 contracts were 4 years and then 3 years. It's hard to build a competitive roster outside of the draft when you don't have 5-6 years to spread the large qb salary around.

Once Bosa signs, this roster will be its absolute peak talent wise, maybe that it ever can be. We really have to take advantage of this window, because as soon as we have to start paying Purdy what he's worth, will no longer be able to pay the best T, RB, LB, TE and ER in the league.

Yeah it's going to be annoying to have to pay Brock $70M+ :( at the way the qb market is going, it'll be $100M

my optimism tells me that Brock will get paid but he will do a team friendly. Lol that's my hope, he reportedly cares more about winning than anything. Maybe he will pull a Brady and take a nice discount to keep guys around him. Would be awesome as a fan. But who knows what he will do.

it would be super cool if he signed a long ass contract, like 7 years or so.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Everyone but Paraag.

If things get poisonous, he gonna ask for a trade.

If we're quibbling for numbers below 35, I'm not sure there's going to be any respect left for the FO.

Is paraag even handling this or did he hand it off to someone else since he's running leads now?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Quest for 26

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Cg9erSF:
Last what if's……………..We still had Dennis Ericsson as the coach

Quest for 26

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by Cg9erSF:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Joan from accounting has the best parking spot and taking it from her is a non starter.

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Agreed, but I still think he's asking for something they don't feel they should give in on. One of the best writers speculated that he doesn't want to have another player leapfrog him for highest paid defender anytime soon, which is a ridiculous ask. I still really think he's asking for the 1st fully guaranteed contract for a defensive player.

Originally posted by bassmanr:
Here's the quote from Lynch, "We realized we made a mistake letting Trey leave the building due to contract negotiations with Nick. When we knew we could not sign Nick we thought the better route would be to reverse the Trey trade to unlock Nick. We as an organization appreciate what Nick has done for us and he will succeed with Dallas as we are all pulling for him".
Sound about right 😆

Yes it was a hypothetical response to a trade for Lace from the Cowboy's for Bosa jk😜

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
I get the feeling that Bosa doesn't GAF, so it comes down to when the FO will cave.

But he does, he loves the game, the team, football, he loves all that stuff. Can't imagine this dude, just watching week 1 football from the couch. No way on earth.

I wonder what the issues are. I mean this has been known for 2 years. Lol nothing about this contract and what he would demand is a surprise. Hell his brother signed his extension in 2020 and said at the time that his brother would set the market when his time comes.

i just don't know what they could be fighting about, we really don't have any leverage.

I am hoping this was just an understood delay that is a soft impasse, something having to do with evaluating back up talent or something... not an actual hard impasse between two sides. Maybe they punted on hard talks knowing they didn't even want to risk him in TC and preseason...and the talks got started in earnest later then we think.

As far as leverage goes, from my limited understanding.... it is only really nuclear leverage..... I think they have him for what 2? more years then at least 3 more years of Franchise tag.... The last 4 years of that 5 year total is likely going to be close to 90 million dollars by that point. I am sure by that point Bosa will be pissed off and be skipping 8 games a year to turn in the bare minimum. I believe once he hits his 8 games, he can sit out playoff games as well. I have no idea how hold out fines work against the salary cap. So odds of keeping him past those 5 years are zero probably.

Net result 49ers loose 2 years of Bosa 5+1 vs 1+3 and can forget keeping him for the next decade but they likely save 60-80 million.

Sucks for the 49ers, but it does share the risk with Bosa... the 49ers would have to pay Bosa regardless of injury, but a performance altering injury takes away from Bosa's future earning potential. Sitting out likely hurts the pool of future teams as well. That risk is on him, plus if he became a shell of his formal self, the 49ers could just walk away.

Bosa has to keep his ELITE earning potential to make up 5 years of 50% pay.

The rumor mill right now has him somewhere around $167m with 100m guaranteed. Franchise tag is just short of 20m-22m-24.2m those 3 years unless it changes (it will likely change) So lets say 5th year plus 3y franchise is 90m-ish. Dude lost 80m, he sits out 8 games a year he is likely at $45-$50m Dude just lost 110-120m.

He will be 30ish by the end of that and be right in line for a great contract if he kept wowing people, but what are the odds of that playing half the games a year? I don't think he can make up $100 million.

I am no salary expert, or Franchise Tag expert...but googling it that is my take on it....

We all knew going in what the Bosa family was like.....hold out was always a legitimate fear.

I dunno its all crazy at this point...

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
It's to me how negotiations work. We saw TJ Watt's negotiation last until 9/9. The agent knows if they wait it out, the odds of the team, the fans, the FO panicking goes up. When the team panics, that's when they cave and the agent wins. That's what the agent wants. So even tho the agent has a good offer in hand, the agent is seeing if he can get a panic offer. We would be wise not to panic. Never panic, in negotiations. When Bosa starts staring down the barrel of missing week 1, he will be on his agent to get this thing wrapped.

Only sensible poster in this thread.

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
It's to me how negotiations work. We saw TJ Watt's negotiation last until 9/9. The agent knows if they wait it out, the odds of the team, the fans, the FO panicking goes up. When the team panics, that's when they cave and the agent wins. That's what the agent wants. So even tho the agent has a good offer in hand, the agent is seeing if he can get a panic offer. We would be wise not to panic. Never panic, in negotiations. When Bosa starts staring down the barrel of missing week 1, he will be on his agent to get this thing wrapped.

Only sensible poster in this thread.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Everyone but Paraag.

If things get poisonous, he gonna ask for a trade.

If we're quibbling for numbers below 35, I'm not sure there's going to be any respect left for the FO.

Is paraag even handling this or did he hand it off to someone else since he's running leads now?

Good point. I assume he is handling the biggest contract in our organization since .... Ever

Originally posted by Dshearn:
I am hoping this was just an understood delay that is a soft impasse, something having to do with evaluating back up talent or something... not an actual hard impasse between two sides. Maybe they punted on hard talks knowing they didn't even want to risk him in TC and preseason...and the talks got started in earnest later then we think.

As far as leverage goes, from my limited understanding.... it is only really nuclear leverage..... I think they have him for what 2? more years then at least 3 more years of Franchise tag.... The last 4 years of that 5 year total is likely going to be close to 90 million dollars by that point. I am sure by that point Bosa will be pissed off and be skipping 8 games a year to turn in the bare minimum. I believe once he hits his 8 games, he can sit out playoff games as well. I have no idea how hold out fines work against the salary cap. So odds of keeping him past those 5 years are zero probably.

Net result 49ers loose 2 years of Bosa 5+1 vs 1+3 and can forget keeping him for the next decade but they likely save 60-80 million.

Sucks for the 49ers, but it does share the risk with Bosa... the 49ers would have to pay Bosa regardless of injury, but a performance altering injury takes away from Bosa's future earning potential. Sitting out likely hurts the pool of future teams as well. That risk is on him, plus if he became a shell of his formal self, the 49ers could just walk away.

Bosa has to keep his ELITE earning potential to make up 5 years of 50% pay.

The rumor mill right now has him somewhere around $167m with 100m guaranteed. Franchise tag is just short of 20m-22m-24.2m those 3 years unless it changes (it will likely change) So lets say 5th year plus 3y franchise is 90m-ish. Dude lost 80m, he sits out 8 games a year he is likely at $45-$50m Dude just lost 110-120m.

He will be 30ish by the end of that and be right in line for a great contract if he kept wowing people, but what are the odds of that playing half the games a year? I don't think he can make up $100 million.

I am no salary expert, or Franchise Tag expert...but googling it that is my take on it....

We all knew going in what the Bosa family was like.....hold out was always a legitimate fear.

I dunno its all crazy at this point...

When you say they have him for two years, do you mean on the new contract or something ?

2023 is his fifth year and he's had his fifth year option picked up a long time ago.

Bosa is beginning to piss me off. These guys make more money in a season then most people see in their lifetime. Sitting out demanding every dime not even negotiating. The deal will get done,he will come in out of football shape and then get injured.