DE Nick Bosa "Smaller Bear" NO POLITICS

Originally posted by BP22:
no, do you know Paraag? Can you imagine SF owning one of the worst trades in nfl history and not being able to sign their best player, pre-season? won't happen. Why are you bringing up Mahomes? that's not even in the same league with what we're discussing here, a better comp would be Donald. who said anything about QB money?

Been on this board a long time. Very familiar with Paraag. Dude is like Jed's right hand man and his cap management is copied league wide in most respects. We can should the Trey gaffe because we've won despite it more than any other team in recent years barring KC. I bring up Mahomes because I've seen player after player when their time comes up wanting to be paid at the top of the league but none have made the impact on their franchises like he has. He is the Super Bowl the ticket.

Bosa should surpass Donald because he's the better player and I'm sure we've offered that. This should be done already so it has to be wrangling on Bosas end because he should be the top paid defensive player so why is he not inked?

Originally posted by JTB1974:
Yeah but you can look at it another way and say that mid tier QB's are getting 35+ Million a season and are any of them a better player than Bosa? All because they play QB. Does Kirk Cousins deserve to get paid more than Bosa? Would anybody in the league trade Bosa for Cousins straight up? Bosa shoulsn't get anywhere near the elite QB's but he should get paid equal to those mid tier or even borderline top 10 QB's.

Win shares positional importance and interchangeability. Cousins guided MIN to 13 wins last season? Without him at QB how many QBs out there available to MIN could have stepped in and come close to that? That's why he had to be paid as a QB. Now for Bosa. We lose him this year. How many games do we lose and can we still be a playoff team without him? No question we can still be at least a wildcard team or in the hunt.

That said Bosa will be in the HOF is he stays healthy and Cousins won't but the win shares he represents at his position gets him paid. If the league paid by talent ranking regardless of position Bosa would be top five easily but instead they're paid by positional importance

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by JTB1974:
Not only does Bosa want to be the highest paid non QB but he wants to make sure nobody can pass him in the coming years. Parson's for example will up for contract negotiating after this upcoming season.

I've seen a couple people say this. Was this reported by someone, or just pure speculation?

I haven't seen it reported or confirmed. I've seen it talked about on here. I have no idea if it's true, but it's kinda difficult to incorporate and unreasonable. Players always use the most recent contracts as their starting price. I'd be surprised if parsons doesn't sign for more than bosa, that's just how the contracts go, whether I agree with it or not.

i hope the contract gets signed by this Wednesday or so at the latest. I'd like him to get a little more than a week of practice in with the team before the first game. Bosa is unique and I'm not concerned about his gameshape, I just think a new guy like hargrave should get some playtime with him to have chemistry out on the field.

Originally posted by tankle104:
I haven't seen it reported or confirmed. I've seen it talked about on here. I have no idea if it's true, but it's kinda difficult to incorporate and unreasonable. Players always use the most recent contracts as their starting price. I'd be surprised if parsons doesn't sign for more than bosa, that's just how the contracts go, whether I agree with it or not.

i hope the contract gets signed by this Wednesday or so at the latest. I'd like him to get a little more than a week of practice in with the team before the first game. Bosa is unique and I'm not concerned about his gameshape, I just think a new guy like hargrave should get some playtime with him to have chemistry out on the field.

Yea it sounds like b******t to me, but I thought I may have missed a report. Agree with the bolded.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by tankle104:
I haven't seen it reported or confirmed. I've seen it talked about on here. I have no idea if it's true, but it's kinda difficult to incorporate and unreasonable. Players always use the most recent contracts as their starting price. I'd be surprised if parsons doesn't sign for more than bosa, that's just how the contracts go, whether I agree with it or not.

i hope the contract gets signed by this Wednesday or so at the latest. I'd like him to get a little more than a week of practice in with the team before the first game. Bosa is unique and I'm not concerned about his gameshape, I just think a new guy like hargrave should get some playtime with him to have chemistry out on the field.

Yea it sounds like b******t to me, but I thought I may have missed a report. Agree with the bolded.

Only way I can see that incorporated is if bosa get a range of percentage escalator in his contract during those years that will add whichever percentage to his salary that matches the highest salary at the position, unless his surpasses that percentage range - then he just gets the high end of the percentage.

i can't imagine the team doing that, and would be very dangerous to do - especially if you had a handful of players that want that, would be very difficult to manage the cap that way annually. Imagine kittle, Warner, Trent, deebo, bosa, hargrave etc having that. It would add millions to their cap hit annually.

the only rumor that I believe could be true, but I still think is unlikely, is the one that the contract may be agreed upon but aren't signing him until after Tuesday at 1pm so they can put some players on the 53, then IR them so we don't lose them for the season. Then activate Bosa.

idk if that is against the rules or not but may be a way to salvage someone like Latu for the season.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by tankle104:
I haven't seen it reported or confirmed. I've seen it talked about on here. I have no idea if it's true, but it's kinda difficult to incorporate and unreasonable. Players always use the most recent contracts as their starting price. I'd be surprised if parsons doesn't sign for more than bosa, that's just how the contracts go, whether I agree with it or not.

i hope the contract gets signed by this Wednesday or so at the latest. I'd like him to get a little more than a week of practice in with the team before the first game. Bosa is unique and I'm not concerned about his gameshape, I just think a new guy like hargrave should get some playtime with him to have chemistry out on the field.

Yea it sounds like b******t to me, but I thought I may have missed a report. Agree with the bolded.

Only way I can see that incorporated is if bosa get a range of percentage escalator in his contract during those years that will add whichever percentage to his salary that matches the highest salary at the position, unless his surpasses that percentage range - then he just gets the high end of the percentage.

i can't imagine the team doing that, and would be very dangerous to do - especially if you had a handful of players that want that, would be very difficult to manage the cap that way annually. Imagine kittle, Warner, Trent, deebo, bosa, hargrave etc having that. It would add millions to their cap hit annually.

the only rumor that I believe could be true, but I still think is unlikely, is the one that the contract may be agreed upon but aren't signing him until after Tuesday at 1pm so they can put some players on the 53, then IR them so we don't lose them for the season. Then activate Bosa.

idk if that is against the rules or not but may be a way to salvage someone like Latu for the season.

That or the contract is based on the % of the salary cap. IMO, these type of revolutionary clauses should be requested by a franchise QB such Maholmes, not a non-QB.

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by tankle104:
I haven't seen it reported or confirmed. I've seen it talked about on here. I have no idea if it's true, but it's kinda difficult to incorporate and unreasonable. Players always use the most recent contracts as their starting price. I'd be surprised if parsons doesn't sign for more than bosa, that's just how the contracts go, whether I agree with it or not.

i hope the contract gets signed by this Wednesday or so at the latest. I'd like him to get a little more than a week of practice in with the team before the first game. Bosa is unique and I'm not concerned about his gameshape, I just think a new guy like hargrave should get some playtime with him to have chemistry out on the field.

Yea it sounds like b******t to me, but I thought I may have missed a report. Agree with the bolded.

Only way I can see that incorporated is if bosa get a range of percentage escalator in his contract during those years that will add whichever percentage to his salary that matches the highest salary at the position, unless his surpasses that percentage range - then he just gets the high end of the percentage.

i can't imagine the team doing that, and would be very dangerous to do - especially if you had a handful of players that want that, would be very difficult to manage the cap that way annually. Imagine kittle, Warner, Trent, deebo, bosa, hargrave etc having that. It would add millions to their cap hit annually.

the only rumor that I believe could be true, but I still think is unlikely, is the one that the contract may be agreed upon but aren't signing him until after Tuesday at 1pm so they can put some players on the 53, then IR them so we don't lose them for the season. Then activate Bosa.

idk if that is against the rules or not but may be a way to salvage someone like Latu for the season.

That or the contract is based on the % of the salary cap. IMO, these type of revolutionary clauses should be requested by a franchise QB such Maholmes, not a non-QB.

Id venture to argue that they should be exclusive to QBs.

But idk man, that's a slippery slope. You know once that starts, everyone and their mother is going to make
their case for it and all that. Idk if the current CBA even allows it, never have looked into it.

i think in order to really go that route, you'd have to almost allocate each position group a certain percentage of the salary cap every year, which is tricky. I'm sure teams already have a rule of thumb on which groups to allocate a portion of the salary cap to, but idk if there is anything definitive of that a majority of teams follow.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by tankle104:
I haven't seen it reported or confirmed. I've seen it talked about on here. I have no idea if it's true, but it's kinda difficult to incorporate and unreasonable. Players always use the most recent contracts as their starting price. I'd be surprised if parsons doesn't sign for more than bosa, that's just how the contracts go, whether I agree with it or not.

i hope the contract gets signed by this Wednesday or so at the latest. I'd like him to get a little more than a week of practice in with the team before the first game. Bosa is unique and I'm not concerned about his gameshape, I just think a new guy like hargrave should get some playtime with him to have chemistry out on the field.

Yea it sounds like b******t to me, but I thought I may have missed a report. Agree with the bolded.

Only way I can see that incorporated is if bosa get a range of percentage escalator in his contract during those years that will add whichever percentage to his salary that matches the highest salary at the position, unless his surpasses that percentage range - then he just gets the high end of the percentage.

i can't imagine the team doing that, and would be very dangerous to do - especially if you had a handful of players that want that, would be very difficult to manage the cap that way annually. Imagine kittle, Warner, Trent, deebo, bosa, hargrave etc having that. It would add millions to their cap hit annually.

the only rumor that I believe could be true, but I still think is unlikely, is the one that the contract may be agreed upon but aren't signing him until after Tuesday at 1pm so they can put some players on the 53, then IR them so we don't lose them for the season. Then activate Bosa.

idk if that is against the rules or not but may be a way to salvage someone like Latu for the season.

That or the contract is based on the % of the salary cap. IMO, these type of revolutionary clauses should be requested by a franchise QB such Maholmes, not a non-QB.

Id venture to argue that they should be exclusive to QBs.

But idk man, that's a slippery slope. You know once that starts, everyone and their mother is going to make
their case for it and all that. Idk if the current CBA even allows it, never have looked into it.

i think in order to really go that route, you'd have to almost allocate each position group a certain percentage of the salary cap every year, which is tricky. I'm sure teams already have a rule of thumb on which groups to allocate a portion of the salary cap to, but idk if there is anything definitive of that a majority of teams follow.

I think the NFL owners are in a collusion to make sure these types of revolutionary clauses don't happened.

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by tankle104:
I haven't seen it reported or confirmed. I've seen it talked about on here. I have no idea if it's true, but it's kinda difficult to incorporate and unreasonable. Players always use the most recent contracts as their starting price. I'd be surprised if parsons doesn't sign for more than bosa, that's just how the contracts go, whether I agree with it or not.

i hope the contract gets signed by this Wednesday or so at the latest. I'd like him to get a little more than a week of practice in with the team before the first game. Bosa is unique and I'm not concerned about his gameshape, I just think a new guy like hargrave should get some playtime with him to have chemistry out on the field.

Yea it sounds like b******t to me, but I thought I may have missed a report. Agree with the bolded.

Only way I can see that incorporated is if bosa get a range of percentage escalator in his contract during those years that will add whichever percentage to his salary that matches the highest salary at the position, unless his surpasses that percentage range - then he just gets the high end of the percentage.

i can't imagine the team doing that, and would be very dangerous to do - especially if you had a handful of players that want that, would be very difficult to manage the cap that way annually. Imagine kittle, Warner, Trent, deebo, bosa, hargrave etc having that. It would add millions to their cap hit annually.

the only rumor that I believe could be true, but I still think is unlikely, is the one that the contract may be agreed upon but aren't signing him until after Tuesday at 1pm so they can put some players on the 53, then IR them so we don't lose them for the season. Then activate Bosa.

idk if that is against the rules or not but may be a way to salvage someone like Latu for the season.

That or the contract is based on the % of the salary cap. IMO, these type of revolutionary clauses should be requested by a franchise QB such Maholmes, not a non-QB.

Id venture to argue that they should be exclusive to QBs.

But idk man, that's a slippery slope. You know once that starts, everyone and their mother is going to make
their case for it and all that. Idk if the current CBA even allows it, never have looked into it.

i think in order to really go that route, you'd have to almost allocate each position group a certain percentage of the salary cap every year, which is tricky. I'm sure teams already have a rule of thumb on which groups to allocate a portion of the salary cap to, but idk if there is anything definitive of that a majority of teams follow.

I think the NFL owners are in a collusion to make sure these types of revolutionary clauses don't happened.

I know If I was an owner, I would be. Hahaha I'd also be whooping other owners asses behind the scene.

"You gave watson a fully guaranted $230M? Get over here. I haven't choked a b***h this week" - Me to the Browns Owner

*talking to every owner that's paid their qb more than Mahomes*
"you let your qb convince you that he deserves more than Patrick?! You had the perfect bargaining chip, ask his ass if he thinks he's better than Patrick, WHEN he says no… tell him then shut the hell up and sign for less". *slaps the owner*

all jokes aside, I do think when dumb teams like the rams hand out way more than second place to someone like they did with Aaron Donald, it screws it up for everyone else and destabilizes thing. Makes contracts far outpace the rise in the salary cap. Even with $20M in salary cap increase next year, qb contracts are going up super fast.

jimmy signed a record nfl size contract at what, $28M a year five years ago? Now the going rate is $60M a year. Over double in 5 years, that's ridiculous. I'm all for players getting paid but that stuff makes it Hard to keep an overall balanced and competitive team because so much goes towards one position and it becomes hard to surround them with talent. If that person misses time, it almost always ruins your season.

Originally posted by the_dynasty:

Originally posted by Dshearn:
I am hoping this was just an understood delay that is a soft impasse, something having to do with evaluating back up talent or something... not an actual hard impasse between two sides. Maybe they punted on hard talks knowing they didn't even want to risk him in TC and preseason...and the talks got started in earnest later then we think.

As far as leverage goes, from my limited understanding.... it is only really nuclear leverage..... I think they have him for what 2? more years then at least 3 more years of Franchise tag.... The last 4 years of that 5 year total is likely going to be close to 90 million dollars by that point. I am sure by that point Bosa will be pissed off and be skipping 8 games a year to turn in the bare minimum. I believe once he hits his 8 games, he can sit out playoff games as well. I have no idea how hold out fines work against the salary cap. So odds of keeping him past those 5 years are zero probably.

Net result 49ers loose 2 years of Bosa 5+1 vs 1+3 and can forget keeping him for the next decade but they likely save 60-80 million.

Sucks for the 49ers, but it does share the risk with Bosa... the 49ers would have to pay Bosa regardless of injury, but a performance altering injury takes away from Bosa's future earning potential. Sitting out likely hurts the pool of future teams as well. That risk is on him, plus if he became a shell of his formal self, the 49ers could just walk away.

Bosa has to keep his ELITE earning potential to make up 5 years of 50% pay.

The rumor mill right now has him somewhere around $167m with 100m guaranteed. Franchise tag is just short of 20m-22m-24.2m those 3 years unless it changes (it will likely change) So lets say 5th year plus 3y franchise is 90m-ish. Dude lost 80m, he sits out 8 games a year he is likely at $45-$50m Dude just lost 110-120m.

He will be 30ish by the end of that and be right in line for a great contract if he kept wowing people, but what are the odds of that playing half the games a year? I don't think he can make up $100 million.

I am no salary expert, or Franchise Tag expert...but googling it that is my take on it....

We all knew going in what the Bosa family was like.....hold out was always a legitimate fear.

I dunno its all crazy at this point...

When you say they have him for two years, do you mean on the new contract or something ?

2023 is his fifth year and he's had his fifth year option picked up a long time ago.

no I was tired and confused Lances contract with Bosa....I thought I fixed in edit, but I must have goofed....

Today would be a great day to sign Nick Bosa.

I heard he wants to play for a real coach in Miami now. One that doesn't constantly challenge him to win games for him because his brilliance on offense can't do it.

Originally posted by NCommand:
I heard he wants to play for a real coach in Miami now. One that doesn't constantly challenge him to win games for him because his brilliance on offense can't do it.

That "real" coach that his current coach mentored and then beat last season?

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I heard he wants to play for a real coach in Miami now. One that doesn't constantly challenge him to win games for him because his brilliance on offense can't do it.

That "real" coach that his current coach mentored and then beat last season?

Haha. Yeah, that one. I didn't say Bosa was the sharpest tool in the shed.