DE Nick Bosa "Smaller Bear" NO POLITICS

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Agreed it's kinda silly they haven't come to an agreement by now. I wonder which side is being dumb.

I'm guessing the FO. Call it a hunch.

When Aaron donald signed his contract he was signed 1 week before the regular season (he was also holding out)

TJ Waat was 2-3 days before
Joey Bosa missed games

This is the norm for these contracts because the closer it gets to the season the more leverage the player has so obviously they have no interest in signing earlier if there intent is to get more money

edit: on Aaron Donald he actually held out in 2017 too where he missed a a game he again held out of all team activities in 2018 and signed a week before week 1

Teams are so stingy. They already know where the #'s will land but force this drama to send a message that it isn't easy to get there. Nick will end up almost exactly where his agent told him he would, but at least this time it isn't spun as him being a diva who's asking the world.

You're making this about absolute value when there are like 100 different elements that go into a contract that need to get worked out. All are material.

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by tankle104:
I was really hoping this would be done by the end of the work week, bummer. Really hope this doesn't leak into next week. It's prep week :/

if he isn't signed by Monday, I think we can start to worry that he may miss a game.

Not sure how many times I need to say it, so I'll say it again:

TJ Watt signed ~70 hours before the Steelers' season started and he dominated week one on his way to winning DPOY.

We're still 6 days away from being ~70 hours away from the start of the season.

Well that's good news. As long as he plays well, he can sign five minutes before the game. I just worry he won't play and it'll be a much tougher game without Nick. I just want our guys focused on the season and not anymore distractions. He'll be great once he's here. I also just want him to start building chemistry with hargrave. I don't think chemistry is as important on the d line but I think it plays a factor.

rhis better be a long ass contract after all this

Not sure about the validity of this but I heard it could be a tax issue. If he lives in FL 6+ months out of the year, he'll pay FL taxes on his signing bonus vs CA taxes, could be a huge difference with such a big contract.

Originally posted by jomo5280:
Not sure about the validity of this but I heard it could be a tax issue. If he lives in FL 6+ months out of the year, he'll pay FL taxes on his signing bonus vs CA taxes, could be a huge difference with such a big contract.

That's not how it works. He pays (as do all} pay CA taxes for home games. It doesn't matter your primary residence. Home games are always taxed under CA rates. Not sure if the bonuses spread out are under CA tax law for pay periods deemed home games.

Originally posted by 9erson3:
That's not how it works. He pays (as do all} pay CA taxes for home games. It doesn't matter your primary residence. Home games are always taxed under CA rates. Not sure if the bonuses spread out are under CA tax law for pay periods deemed home games.

Really interesting. Since playuers don't have volitional control of where they work, and where they work can have such a huge impact on the earnings they bring home to their family, you wonder if there should be a collective bargaining mechanism which homogenizes the tax obligations across the player base. It could get hideously complicated, but maybe the owners can put together a tax normalization fund for the players that helps out in this regard.

There are many 5 year programmers in the bay area that take home a lot more than many rookie deals, and udfa.

Im glad Nick is going to get his money. Very worried about his durability this season though. With all the time he's missed, he's a prime suspect for a soft tissue injury. I hope it doesn't happen but that's what seems to happen to these athletes that miss most of their off-season camp and preseason.

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Agreed it's kinda silly they haven't come to an agreement by now. I wonder which side is being dumb.

I'm guessing the FO. Call it a hunch.

When Aaron donald signed his contract he was signed 1 week before the regular season (he was also holding out)

TJ Waat was 2-3 days before
Joey Bosa missed games

This is the norm for these contracts because the closer it gets to the season the more leverage the player has so obviously they have no interest in signing earlier if there intent is to get more money

edit: on Aaron Donald he actually held out in 2017 too where he missed a a game he again held out of all team activities in 2018 and signed a week before week 1

I don't think that would be necessary, the 49ers are pretty good at paying their players their market value. I'm sure they are willing to give Bosa a historic contract if they really want to win games. My gut says Bosa isn't going to hold out.

Having said that, yes it can happen, and no, I hope it doesn't.

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:
Im glad Nick is going to get his money. Very worried about his durability this season though. With all the time he's missed, he's a prime suspect for a soft tissue injury. I hope it doesn't happen but that's what seems to happen to these athletes that miss most of their off-season camp and preseason.

Agree. As much as we all think Bosa keeps in great shape, playing football is different than just doing cardio and weightlifting. Hopefully they ease him in and that he is stronger by the end of the season. There definitely is a danger of him having a higher risk of injury because he's not been in training camp building up that football callus.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by 9erson3:
That's not how it works. He pays (as do all} pay CA taxes for home games. It doesn't matter your primary residence. Home games are always taxed under CA rates. Not sure if the bonuses spread out are under CA tax law for pay periods deemed home games.

Really interesting. Since playuers don't have volitional control of where they work, and where they work can have such a huge impact on the earnings they bring home to their family, you wonder if there should be a collective bargaining mechanism which homogenizes the tax obligations across the player base. It could get hideously complicated, but maybe the owners can put together a tax normalization fund for the players that helps out in this regard.

There are many 5 year programmers in the bay area that take home a lot more than many rookie deals, and udfa.

That's been an issue for years, that really hasn't been addressed by the league. Due to some states having state taxes and others not, the salary cap isn't truly "equal" across all teams.

Originally posted by RDB4216:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by 9erson3:
That's not how it works. He pays (as do all} pay CA taxes for home games. It doesn't matter your primary residence. Home games are always taxed under CA rates. Not sure if the bonuses spread out are under CA tax law for pay periods deemed home games.

Really interesting. Since playuers don't have volitional control of where they work, and where they work can have such a huge impact on the earnings they bring home to their family, you wonder if there should be a collective bargaining mechanism which homogenizes the tax obligations across the player base. It could get hideously complicated, but maybe the owners can put together a tax normalization fund for the players that helps out in this regard.

There are many 5 year programmers in the bay area that take home a lot more than many rookie deals, and udfa.

That's been an issue for years, that really hasn't been addressed by the league. Due to some states having state taxes and others not, the salary cap isn't truly "equal" across all teams.

Maybe adjust the Salary cap based on state.

Originally posted by BOI49er:
He's got $40,000,000 reason to sign. At 5.5% perfectly safe 6 month T Bill, that's $2,200,000 interest per year. We've got other talent that need contracts. Relax. He'll be here.

bro im just fine. I don't care if they pay him more

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Originally posted by RDB4216:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by 9erson3:
That's not how it works. He pays (as do all} pay CA taxes for home games. It doesn't matter your primary residence. Home games are always taxed under CA rates. Not sure if the bonuses spread out are under CA tax law for pay periods deemed home games.

Really interesting. Since playuers don't have volitional control of where they work, and where they work can have such a huge impact on the earnings they bring home to their family, you wonder if there should be a collective bargaining mechanism which homogenizes the tax obligations across the player base. It could get hideously complicated, but maybe the owners can put together a tax normalization fund for the players that helps out in this regard.

There are many 5 year programmers in the bay area that take home a lot more than many rookie deals, and udfa.

That's been an issue for years, that really hasn't been addressed by the league. Due to some states having state taxes and others not, the salary cap isn't truly "equal" across all teams.

It's always brought up but maybe some players are ok with paying more taxes in Ca vs Wi because the weather is better, there's more endorsement opportunities, and there's something to do at night. They just need a good accountant/manager to create their non profit.

Originally posted by Giedi:
Agree. As much as we all think Bosa keeps in great shape, playing football is different than just doing cardio and weightlifting. Hopefully they ease him in and that he is stronger by the end of the season. There definitely is a danger of him having a higher risk of injury because he's not been in training camp building up that football callus.

I'm curious what he's actually been doing since the start of training camp, dude is an animal when it comes to what he does year around. I've assumed he's doing something to try and be in as good of game shape as possible but that could be tough to replicate. I think at worst he's been with with a coach working on things.

Originally posted by SlipAndSlideBosa:
Maybe adjust the Salary cap based on state.

i think it is a nonissue players haven't really avoided NY, CA, Minn Wis, Mass and all have high state tax