DE Nick Bosa "Smaller Bear" NO POLITICS

Originally posted by btthepunk:

Originally posted by eman:

Originally posted by btthepunk:

Originally posted by eman:
Lol.. I didn't know boss's agents are here with multiple accounts ..

so tell me … how many fumbles has he forced in his career ??
4 YEARS combined > 8 FORCED FUMBLES
2 fumble recoveries
1 interception
4 passes deflected
20 run stuffs

TJ WATT > in 2019 .. single season
8 FORCED FUMBLES
4 FUMBLE RECOVERIES
2 INTERCEPTIONS
8 PASSES DEFENDED
11 RUN STUFFS

so geniuses .. please tell me how Bosa is demanding more money than watt .. while his career records mostly are below single season stats for watt
I can do this for many other DEs

They don't play the same position.

Fine .. look up his brother JJ watt then 😉

If JJ was 24 years old right now he'd get the biggest non QB contract ever. You can't compare contracts now to what they were 5+ years ago.

They didn't play the same position either.

Thank you !! JJ WATT impacts the game way more ..
AARON Donald impacts the game way more
tj watt to me impacts the game way more …

i just don't see why Bosa would be highest now QB contract ever .. just please help me understand why …

Originally posted by eman:
I don't think the Niners should give in and sign Bosa to massive extension and make him the highest paid non-quarterback

1. Not leader type, not an alpha dog.

2. Bosa is great, but very injury risk.

3. Yes he gets lots of sacks, but rarely forces turnovers or causes QB to throw interceptions

4. most of sacks come from good coverage and take several seconds to develop, rarely are they game altering

5. he gets shut down when he faces great offensive tackles. Example remember last year vs lane Johnson (eagles)

6. rarely forces opposite teams to get penalties (false start, holding, personal fouls)

7. not a player that scares the QB. You were scared some DE's / OLB would break your qb in half, I remember Patrick Willis and Bowman knocking out RBs and QBs weekly, Bosa sacks/hits seem to be less impactful

Im not saying we should trade bosa .. nor am I saying we can find someone better. But he needs to be realistic who he is … maybe we should give him incentive based contract and tell him.. hey we will give you 200 million if you can hit these benchmarks

I'll just cover two things. One, he rarely forces opponents to get penalties? He is literally HELD on almost every single play! He can't force the refs to throw the flags. And as far as breaking QB's in half...um...that gets the defense flagged now and the offense a first down. Have you not been watching football the last several years?

Originally posted by eman:

Originally posted by btthepunk:

Originally posted by eman:

Originally posted by btthepunk:

Originally posted by eman:
Lol.. I didn't know boss's agents are here with multiple accounts ..

so tell me … how many fumbles has he forced in his career ??
4 YEARS combined > 8 FORCED FUMBLES
2 fumble recoveries
1 interception
4 passes deflected
20 run stuffs

TJ WATT > in 2019 .. single season
8 FORCED FUMBLES
4 FUMBLE RECOVERIES
2 INTERCEPTIONS
8 PASSES DEFENDED
11 RUN STUFFS

so geniuses .. please tell me how Bosa is demanding more money than watt .. while his career records mostly are below single season stats for watt
I can do this for many other DEs

They don't play the same position.

Fine .. look up his brother JJ watt then 😉

If JJ was 24 years old right now he'd get the biggest non QB contract ever. You can't compare contracts now to what they were 5+ years ago.

They didn't play the same position either.

Thank you !! JJ WATT impacts the game way more ..
AARON Donald impacts the game way more
tj watt to me impacts the game way more …

i just don't see why Bosa would be highest now QB contract ever .. just please help me understand why …

Because he's the best non QB in the league.

Originally posted by eman:
Thank you !! JJ WATT impacts the game way more ..
AARON Donald impacts the game way more
tj watt to me impacts the game way more …

i just don't see why Bosa would be highest now QB contract ever .. just please help me understand why …

He's the best defensive player in the league today who is just 25 and is the reigning DPOY.

Originally posted by JTB1974:
Well Hockenson just got more money than Kelce and Kittle and he is nowhere near them. Also QB's came in after Mahomes got paid more than him. The market changes every year.

Good point brother … I see what you are saying
you should be highest paid player at your position and definitely he has earned his money

I am asking .. why does he need to be highest paid non QB
that's what I am wondering

besides .. he could have come in .. supported his team mates and still lobby for his contract, i would respect that
i just can't support a man who goes AWOL and let's his teammates suffer in a potentially superbowl hopeful season

Originally posted by eman:
Good point brother … I see what you are saying
you should be highest paid player at your position and definitely he has earned his money

I am asking .. why does he need to be highest paid non QB
that's what I am wondering

besides .. he could have come in .. supported his team mates and still lobby for his contract, i would respect that
i just can't support a man who goes AWOL and let's his teammates suffer in a potentially superbowl hopeful season

Well that's on the GM for not signing him much sooner. Let's not act like what Bosa is doing is something new from players in this position.

Originally posted by eman:
I don't think the Niners should give in and sign Bosa to massive extension and make him the highest paid non-quarterback

1. Not leader type, not an alpha dog.

2. Bosa is great, but very injury risk.

3. Yes he gets lots of sacks, but rarely forces turnovers or causes QB to throw interceptions

4. most of sacks come from good coverage and take several seconds to develop, rarely are they game altering

5. he gets shut down when he faces great offensive tackles. Example remember last year vs lane Johnson (eagles)

6. rarely forces opposite teams to get penalties (false start, holding, personal fouls)

7. not a player that scares the QB. You were scared some DE's / OLB would break your qb in half, I remember Patrick Willis and Bowman knocking out RBs and QBs weekly, Bosa sacks/hits seem to be less impactful

Im not saying we should trade bosa .. nor am I saying we can find someone better. But he needs to be realistic who he is … maybe we should give him incentive based contract and tell him.. hey we will give you 200 million if you can hit these benchmarks

LOL

Originally posted by eman:
Lol.. I didn't know boss's agents are here with multiple accounts ..

Let me compare for y'all what BOSA DID in his CAREER DO FAR… That is .. all his games combined .. vs single season of other great defensive ends
Bosa .. 4 YEARS COMBINED > 8 FORCED FUMBLES
2 fumble recoveries
1 interception
4 passes deflected
20 run stuffs

TJ WATT > in 2019 .. SINGLE SEASON ONLY!
8 FORCED FUMBLES
4 FUMBLE RECOVERIES
2 INTERCEPTIONS
8 PASSES DEFENDED
11 RUN STUFFS

so geniuses .. please tell me how Bosa is demanding more money than watt .. while his career records mostly are below single season stats for watt
I can do this for many other DEs

LOL

Originally posted by JTB1974:
Well that's on the GM for not signing him much sooner. Let's not act like what Bosa is doing is something new from players in this position.

Not quite.

Players on rookie contracts can't renegotiate their contracts until after their 3rd year in the league. Since first round draft picks have the fifth year option, it doesn't make sense for a team to renegotiate with a first round player until after their fourth year due to the fifth year option (unless it's a player like Mahomes and his 10yr contract).

Originally posted by linkboy:
Not quite.

Players on rookie contracts can't renegotiate their contracts until after their 3rd year in the league. Since first round draft picks have the fifth year option, it doesn't make sense for a team to renegotiate with a first round player until after their fourth year due to the fifth year option (unless it's a player like Mahomes and his 10yr contract).

I meant earlier this off season instead of dragging it out until the last minute.

Originally posted by eman:

Originally posted by JTB1974:
Well Hockenson just got more money than Kelce and Kittle and he is nowhere near them. Also QB's came in after Mahomes got paid more than him. The market changes every year.

Good point brother … I see what you are saying
you should be highest paid player at your position and definitely he has earned his money

I am asking .. why does he need to be highest paid non QB
that's what I am wondering

besides .. he could have come in .. supported his team mates and still lobby for his contract, i would respect that
i just can't support a man who goes AWOL and let's his teammates suffer in a potentially superbowl hopeful season

He is the MVP of a Super Bowl contender and without him the team is NOT a Super Bowl contender. Does that clear anything up? How much is another trophy worth? Less than what Nick Bosa wants.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by eman:
I don't think the Niners should give in and sign Bosa to massive extension and make him the highest paid non-quarterback

1. Not leader type, not an alpha dog.

2. Bosa is great, but very injury risk.

3. Yes he gets lots of sacks, but rarely forces turnovers or causes QB to throw interceptions

4. most of sacks come from good coverage and take several seconds to develop, rarely are they game altering

5. he gets shut down when he faces great offensive tackles. Example remember last year vs lane Johnson (eagles)

6. rarely forces opposite teams to get penalties (false start, holding, personal fouls)

7. not a player that scares the QB. You were scared some DE's / OLB would break your qb in half, I remember Patrick Willis and Bowman knocking out RBs and QBs weekly, Bosa sacks/hits seem to be less impactful

Im not saying we should trade bosa .. nor am I saying we can find someone better. But he needs to be realistic who he is … maybe we should give him incentive based contract and tell him.. hey we will give you 200 million if you can hit these benchmarks

LOL

What a joke of a post 🤡

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
LOL

Dude is talking about fumbling recoveries, INTs and pass deflected…for a EDGE RUSHER lol. Shows how weak his debate is.

Eman needs to give it up lol.

Most important position on defense is EDGE. He's top 5 in the league and it's his turn to get paid. He will be the highest paid player on D until the next guy gets paid (parsons)….just how it works when you become elite at an elite position.

deal with it people

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
He is the MVP of a Super Bowl contender and without him the team is NOT a Super Bowl contender. Does that clear anything up? How much is another trophy worth? Less than what Nick Bosa wants.

I have seen many times where teams just hold Bosa and render him more ineffective than I'd like him to be in the biggest of games ala Super Bowl while a QB takes over and defeats us. This is my problem with paying Bosa QB money as Jake Hutchinson is advocating for.

He ain't a QB and he can't carry the club like Mahomes. He ain't LT yet but he is the DPOY and he should without question be paid like it and be paid more than all other defensive players and have the highest guarantees.

If we are offering that and he's holding out well then we just go the Crabtree route with him and he can sit half a season. If we aren't offering him too pay for a defensive player we need our heads examined

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by eman:
I don't think the Niners should give in and sign Bosa to massive extension and make him the highest paid non-quarterback

1. Not leader type, not an alpha dog.

2. Bosa is great, but very injury risk.

3. Yes he gets lots of sacks, but rarely forces turnovers or causes QB to throw interceptions

4. most of sacks come from good coverage and take several seconds to develop, rarely are they game altering

5. he gets shut down when he faces great offensive tackles. Example remember last year vs lane Johnson (eagles)

6. rarely forces opposite teams to get penalties (false start, holding, personal fouls)

7. not a player that scares the QB. You were scared some DE's / OLB would break your qb in half, I remember Patrick Willis and Bowman knocking out RBs and QBs weekly, Bosa sacks/hits seem to be less impactful

Im not saying we should trade bosa .. nor am I saying we can find someone better. But he needs to be realistic who he is … maybe we should give him incentive based contract and tell him.. hey we will give you 200 million if you can hit these benchmarks

LOL

What a joke of a post 🤡

Probably an Eagle's fan in disguise.