DE Nick Bosa "Smaller Bear" NO POLITICS

Originally posted by 9erson3:
Listening to the radio last night Nick is 6th in sack total production since entering the league. They didn't list the five in front. Yes, I understand he wreaks havoc in other areas. Also was stated we are supposed to write a blank check just because his last name is Bosa and Bosa has a history of holding out back to pops? I'm for more than fair salary, highest ever guaranteed, but I would have to sway towards the 9ers if they are trying to protect long term lookout for other players.

Again, it's the guaranteed money that counts. Not yearly. If they are offering $110m guaranteed that seems more than fair. He may want the entire contract guaranteed. That's getting into iffy numbers if upwards of $150m plus.

Love Nick and they will get it done but 100% behind the 49ers as a team and team cap future projections and not feeding one player.

Did they factor in his lost season? He gave those other 5 a pretty decent head start.

Originally posted by 9erson3:
Listening to the radio last night Nick is 6th in sack total production since entering the league. They didn't list the five in front. Yes, I understand he wreaks havoc in other areas. Also was stated we are supposed to write a blank check just because his last name is Bosa and Bosa has a history of holding out back to pops? I'm for more than fair salary, highest ever guaranteed, but I would have to sway towards the 9ers if they are trying to protect long term lookout for other players.

Again, it's the guaranteed money that counts. Not yearly. If they are offering $110m guaranteed that seems more than fair. He may want the entire contract guaranteed. That's getting into iffy numbers if upwards of $150m plus.

Love Nick and they will get it done but 100% behind the 49ers as a team and team cap future projections and not feeding one player.

It's because he missed most of 2020.

Do sacks since the start of the 2021 season. He's #1 in the league with 34 regular season sacks. Garrett has 32, TJ Watt has 28 (though he missed 7 games last season), Reddick has 27 and Parsons has 26.5.

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by 9erson3:
Listening to the radio last night Nick is 6th in sack total production since entering the league. They didn't list the five in front. Yes, I understand he wreaks havoc in other areas. Also was stated we are supposed to write a blank check just because his last name is Bosa and Bosa has a history of holding out back to pops? I'm for more than fair salary, highest ever guaranteed, but I would have to sway towards the 9ers if they are trying to protect long term lookout for other players.

Again, it's the guaranteed money that counts. Not yearly. If they are offering $110m guaranteed that seems more than fair. He may want the entire contract guaranteed. That's getting into iffy numbers if upwards of $150m plus.

Love Nick and they will get it done but 100% behind the 49ers as a team and team cap future projections and not feeding one player.

It's because he missed most of 2020.

Do sacks since the start of the 2021 season. He's #1 in the league with 34 regular season sacks. Garrett has 32, TJ Watt has 28 (though he missed 7 games last season), Reddick has 27 and Parsons has 26.5.

Makes sense but again, how do we dismiss injuries as part of projection? The fact is if he were making $35m a year that year equals throw away money.

Again, love Nick guys but you can't bend stats to make a rebuttal. Facts are he is 6th. Haven't most of you been saying pay for past performance? That includes injury year.

Let's get it done.

Originally posted by 9erson3:
Makes sense but again, how do we dismiss injuries as part of projection? The fact is if he were making $35m a year that year equals throw away money.

Again, love Nick guys but you can't bend stats to make a rebuttal. Facts are he is 6th. Haven't most of you been saying pay for past performance? That includes injury year.

Let's get it done.

I agree. Injuries are a part of the game. We just need to offer DPOY money and be done with it because Bosa ain't a QB and we should not be paying him like one

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by 9erson3:
Makes sense but again, how do we dismiss injuries as part of projection? The fact is if he were making $35m a year that year equals throw away money.

Again, love Nick guys but you can't bend stats to make a rebuttal. Facts are he is 6th. Haven't most of you been saying pay for past performance? That includes injury year.

Let's get it done.

I agree. Injuries are a part of the game. We just need to offer DPOY money and be done with it because Bosa ain't a QB and we should not be paying him like one

This concept of not being afraid to write a huge check to a player is the Jerry Jones philosophy of how to win a Super Bowl. That hasn't worked since the salary cap sunk in.

Originally posted by eman:

I don't think the Niners should give in and sign Bosa to massive extension and make him the highest paid non-quarterback

1. Not leader type, not an alpha dog.

2. Bosa is great, but very injury risk.

3. Yes he gets lots of sacks, but rarely forces turnovers or causes QB to throw interceptions

4. most of sacks come from good coverage and take several seconds to develop, rarely are they game altering

5. he gets shut down when he faces great offensive tackles. Example remember last year vs lane Johnson (eagles)

6. rarely forces opposite teams to get penalties (false start, holding, personal fouls)

7. not a player that scares the QB. You were scared some DE's / OLB would break your qb in half, I remember Patrick Willis and Bowman knocking out RBs and QBs weekly, Bosa sacks/hits seem to be less impactful

Im not saying we should trade bosa .. nor am I saying we can find someone better. But he needs to be realistic who he is … maybe we should give him incentive based contract and tell him.. hey we will give you 200 million if you can hit these benchmarks

Originally posted by SlipAndSlideBosa:
At what point does everyone start getting worried about this contract and Bosa's availability for any of the games this season, or are you already worried?

I ain't worried IF we have offered Bosa a bit more than AD money. I know he wants as much as he can get but we have to draw our line in the sand and then we go and play ball. The NFL is structured for the benefit of the owners and the rules penalties and contracts are as such. No matter what everyone keeps saying Bosa does NOT have any leverage here. The team does because one player on a 53 man roster won't move the needle like Lebron James has in the NBA. One player can't cause the ship to sink or swim around him unless you are Pat Mahomes or another championship caliber QB.

Now if we have not offered Bosa DPOY salary then I would be worried about the sanity of this front office. Either way we have 53 men that can hit the field and we will do so as a formidable team with or without Bosa next Sunday. The deal is on the table waiting for him to sign it and if not there are several players in the NFL and on this roster chomping at the bit to fill his shoes. They won't be nearly as good but we will still be able to compete unlike Bosa who may be sitting on his couch

Originally posted by BOI49er:
This concept of not being afraid to write a huge check to a player is the Jerry Jones philosophy of how to win a Super Bowl. That hasn't worked since the salary cap sunk in.

LOL . Right. We should be giving Bosa a fair market deal. Since he is DPOY he should be top of the market for defensive players. Once we offered him that deal we should be waiting for him to sign it and honestly my stance would be that your agent is not necesssary because I have given you the best deal for a defensive player so I advise you to save your money on commission for the freak in that suit and sign my contract

Now if we had Bosa and Fred Warner out I might be more worried. Fred is the real leader of the defense whereas Bosa is the best player. We still have the leader out there so we should be able to pull out a win even with a new DC

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Now if we had Bosa and Fred Warner out I might be more worried. Fred is the real leader of the defense whereas Bosa is the best player. We still have the leader out there so we should be able to pull out a win even with a new DC

For some reason, linebackers have kind of been lost in the shuffle wth so much attention paid to pass rushers (some are LBs) and dominant interior linemen. The fact is they're still the most important unit on defense. The leading tackler is usually a linebacker. They have to fill gaps, rush the passer and cover receivers. This requires decent speed and adequate strength to handle both duties.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by eman:
I don't think the Niners should give in and sign Bosa to massive extension and make him the highest paid non-quarterback

1. Not leader type, not an alpha dog.

2. Bosa is great, but very injury risk.

3. Yes he gets lots of sacks, but rarely forces turnovers or causes QB to throw interceptions

4. most of sacks come from good coverage and take several seconds to develop, rarely are they game altering

5. he gets shut down when he faces great offensive tackles. Example remember last year vs lane Johnson (eagles)

6. rarely forces opposite teams to get penalties (false start, holding, personal fouls)

7. not a player that scares the QB. You were scared some DE's / OLB would break your qb in half, I remember Patrick Willis and Bowman knocking out RBs and QBs weekly, Bosa sacks/hits seem to be less impactful

Im not saying we should trade bosa .. nor am I saying we can find someone better. But he needs to be realistic who he is … maybe we should give him incentive based contract and tell him.. hey we will give you 200 million if you can hit these benchmarks

LOL

What a joke of a post 🤡

Probably an Eagle's fan in disguise.

only logical thing lol.

People complaining about a player trying to get as much cash as they can from a billionaire…and that player happens to be our best player, in his prime, who was just determined to be the BEST defensive player in the league and is on track to be a HOFer?

Come on man, if there's any player that gets a blank check it's him.

I bet I'm more of a fan than you

same joker fans here lobbying for him to win DPOY now crying why he is not signing quick with us … idiots lol

i never said DONT pay him … I never said i don't like him

I just said.. don't give him guaranteed contract .. let it be incentive laden to prevent against injuries / production

he had three season ending injuries in the last 7 years !!

Originally posted by RDB4216:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Let's say bosa gets a $40M signing bonus, he will take home about 40% of it. He will be at the top of the bracket in Cali, so that's about half. Then he will have to pay 10% to his agent, 5-10% for a money manager.

so it's possible that out of $40M he would take home like $15M. Still a lot of money but not the same as taking home $25M or so like he would in a state like Texas and Florida.

Someone like bosa should negotiate where the team has to pay his agent or at least half of what his agent should get. As a way to offset the ridiculous tax burden anyone on the team will get.

You do understand that there are 2 sets of taxes, correct? The CA yearly income tax, at its highest level, is about 13%. So when people say "half my taxes!!!" they're talking about an all-in, state/federal/social security/etc.

The argument here is playing in Florida (0%) vs playing in CA (13% ) of those particular game checks. It's difference obviously, but not major

Lol yes… his federal income tax is 37%. His state income tax is 13.3%. His agent fee is 10%. His money manager is probably 10%. So in Cali, he pays 50% of his check in taxes Vs in a state like Florida where it's 37% because it's only federal. That's millions in difference ($5.2M difference if his signing bonus is $40M).

so like I said, in California - he immediately loses 50% of his money to federal income taxes and the states income tax. Then 10% goes to his agent. Then whatever else he pays. So at best, he's getting 40% of his income.

when you're only takin home 40% of your total earning, I'd argue that 13.3%, several million, is a major difference. All because of where you live. Lol

lets say of a $40M signing bonus, he takes home $16M (40%). He lost 13.3% (CA state income tax) - which amounts $5.2M.

in other words, he would of taken home 32% more cash than he did and put that in his bank account if he lived somewhere else. Lmao "nothing major". That's why things like "it's only 13.3% of your income" is so dangerous. It's a ton of money compared to what you actually get to take home after everything has taxed you.

CA take home: $16M
FL take home: $21.2M - approx 32% difference

California taxes are too high however I've been to Florida, would you like to live there? Unless it was the Keys stock up on Meth. Yes it sucks but all around its better in California.

Well I live in Tennessee, where we have no state income tax - and I can tell you people have been moving here from California like crazy for the last year or two!!!

Tennessee weather is like living underneath Satan's sack. The humidity is ungodly.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by eman:
I don't think the Niners should give in and sign Bosa to massive extension and make him the highest paid non-quarterback

1. Not leader type, not an alpha dog.

2. Bosa is great, but very injury risk.

3. Yes he gets lots of sacks, but rarely forces turnovers or causes QB to throw interceptions

4. most of sacks come from good coverage and take several seconds to develop, rarely are they game altering

5. he gets shut down when he faces great offensive tackles. Example remember last year vs lane Johnson (eagles)

6. rarely forces opposite teams to get penalties (false start, holding, personal fouls)

7. not a player that scares the QB. You were scared some DE's / OLB would break your qb in half, I remember Patrick Willis and Bowman knocking out RBs and QBs weekly, Bosa sacks/hits seem to be less impactful

Im not saying we should trade bosa .. nor am I saying we can find someone better. But he needs to be realistic who he is … maybe we should give him incentive based contract and tell him.. hey we will give you 200 million if you can hit these benchmarks

LOL

What a joke of a post 🤡

Probably an Eagle's fan in disguise.

Or Grant. This sounds like something Grant would say.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
For some reason, linebackers have kind of been lost in the shuffle wth so much attention paid to pass rushers (some are LBs) and dominant interior linemen. The fact is they're still the most important unit on defense. The leading tackler is usually a linebacker. They have to fill gaps, rush the passer and cover receivers. This requires decent speed and adequate strength to handle both duties.

Yup. When playing the Cowboys, all my friends including some coaches were asking me "who the hell is number 54, that dude is a beast?" Justin and Aldon Smith were beasts up front but Willis and Bowman were the leaders of the defense. As long as you have your leaders you have a fighting chance