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Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Originally posted by TD49ers:
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Originally posted by TD49ers:
How many plays per game do you think Bosa actually impacts the game?
Last player to win SB mvp at DE was 1985 - Richard Dent.
Von Miller?
Linebacker.
Edge rusher… arguing semantics of a 3-4 OLB vs 4-3 DE in many cases is a distinction without a difference .
Originally posted by TD49ers:
Fair....not helping your arguement though....thats 2 in the last 38 years....
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Originally posted by TD49ers:
He plays football........he shouldnt be on a pedestal.
I agree that market dictates (our fault as fans ) but he should be honourable enough play out his contract at 17 million. The fans that support him make a very small fraction.
Bigger picture is we complain about the 1% and the rich getting richer while defending entitled pro athletes makes millions that play a game.
Do actually think fans will stop forking over $300, $400, $500 per ticket? Stop buying merch? Stop watching?
Whether you like it or not, his circumstances are fundamentally different than any of ours. We also have the right to hire an agent or attorney during contract negotiations, but there's much less any of us can only do that any number of other applicants can. And if the niners don't pay him, there are plenty of other teams that could jump at that opportunity. I've never felt that Bosa was a Ra-ra Go Team! type of guy. He builds himself up in his lab. He and his brother are serious progressional DEs, more like mercenaries than a leader like Fred. But if we want to win a SB, you better believe we'll need him.
Originally posted by TD49ers:
He is not absolute to winning a SB.....Purdy is.
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Originally posted by TD49ers:
He plays football........he shouldnt be on a pedestal.
I agree that market dictates (our fault as fans ) but he should be honourable enough play out his contract at 17 million. The fans that support him make a very small fraction.
Bigger picture is we complain about the 1% and the rich getting richer while defending entitled pro athletes makes millions that play a game.
Do actually think fans will stop forking over $300, $400, $500 per ticket? Stop buying merch? Stop watching?
Whether you like it or not, his circumstances are fundamentally different than any of ours. We also have the right to hire an agent or attorney during contract negotiations, but there's much less any of us can only do that any number of other applicants can. And if the niners don't pay him, there are plenty of other teams that could jump at that opportunity. I've never felt that Bosa was a Ra-ra Go Team! type of guy. He builds himself up in his lab. He and his brother are serious progressional DEs, more like mercenaries than a leader like Fred. But if we want to win a SB, you better believe we'll need him.
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Originally posted by TD49ers:
He plays football........he shouldnt be on a pedestal.
I agree that market dictates (our fault as fans ) but he should be honourable enough play out his contract at 17 million. The fans that support him make a very small fraction.
Bigger picture is we complain about the 1% and the rich getting richer while defending entitled pro athletes makes millions that play a game.
Do actually think fans will stop forking over $300, $400, $500 per ticket? Stop buying merch? Stop watching?
Whether you like it or not, his circumstances are fundamentally different than any of ours. We also have the right to hire an agent or attorney during contract negotiations, but there's much less any of us can only do that any number of other applicants can. And if the niners don't pay him, there are plenty of other teams that could jump at that opportunity. I've never felt that Bosa was a Ra-ra Go Team! type of guy. He builds himself up in his lab. He and his brother are serious progressional DEs, more like mercenaries than a leader like Fred. But if we want to win a SB, you better believe we'll need him.
You're right that fans are willing to fork over big bucks for tickets but there will come a time when only the elite will be able to attend. $500 per game is already out of reach for the majority of fans. I know when they moved to Santa Clara many of the long time fans said no to the high priced seat licenses and the high ticket prices. So what happened was a lot of tickets were bought up by agencies and corporations. They still sold a lot of seats but it's not always the same fans there every week.
On top of that the NFL is selling the rights to show their games to the highest bidders. Piece by piece the ability to watch for free is disappearing. Then they have the crazy blackout policies which eliminates even more viewers. We have a thread on this forum that appears with some regularity on how to watch the games. Why? It should be easy to just turn on your set and sit back and enjoy. Instead the NFL, which is by far the most popular sport seems more interested in making money than making it easy for fans to watch.
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Originally posted by TD49ers:
He plays football........he shouldnt be on a pedestal.
I agree that market dictates (our fault as fans ) but he should be honourable enough play out his contract at 17 million. The fans that support him make a very small fraction.
Bigger picture is we complain about the 1% and the rich getting richer while defending entitled pro athletes makes millions that play a game.
Do actually think fans will stop forking over $300, $400, $500 per ticket? Stop buying merch? Stop watching?
Whether you like it or not, his circumstances are fundamentally different than any of ours. We also have the right to hire an agent or attorney during contract negotiations, but there's much less any of us can only do that any number of other applicants can. And if the niners don't pay him, there are plenty of other teams that could jump at that opportunity. I've never felt that Bosa was a Ra-ra Go Team! type of guy. He builds himself up in his lab. He and his brother are serious progressional DEs, more like mercenaries than a leader like Fred. But if we want to win a SB, you better believe we'll need him.
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Originally posted by TD49ers:
He plays football........he shouldnt be on a pedestal.
I agree that market dictates (our fault as fans ) but he should be honourable enough play out his contract at 17 million. The fans that support him make a very small fraction.
Bigger picture is we complain about the 1% and the rich getting richer while defending entitled pro athletes makes millions that play a game.
Do actually think fans will stop forking over $300, $400, $500 per ticket? Stop buying merch? Stop watching?
Whether you like it or not, his circumstances are fundamentally different than any of ours. We also have the right to hire an agent or attorney during contract negotiations, but there's much less any of us can only do that any number of other applicants can. And if the niners don't pay him, there are plenty of other teams that could jump at that opportunity. I've never felt that Bosa was a Ra-ra Go Team! type of guy. He builds himself up in his lab. He and his brother are serious progressional DEs, more like mercenaries than a leader like Fred. But if we want to win a SB, you better believe we'll need him.
You're right that fans are willing to fork over big bucks for tickets but there will come a time when only the elite will be able to attend. $500 per game is already out of reach for the majority of fans. I know when they moved to Santa Clara many of the long time fans said no to the high priced seat licenses and the high ticket prices. So what happened was a lot of tickets were bought up by agencies and corporations. They still sold a lot of seats but it's not always the same fans there every week.
On top of that the NFL is selling the rights to show their games to the highest bidders. Piece by piece the ability to watch for free is disappearing. Then they have the crazy blackout policies which eliminates even more viewers. We have a thread on this forum that appears with some regularity on how to watch the games. Why? It should be easy to just turn on your set and sit back and enjoy. Instead the NFL, which is by far the most popular sport seems more interested in making money than making it easy for fans to watch.
Originally posted by TD49ers:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Originally posted by TD49ers:
He plays football........he shouldnt be on a pedestal.
I agree that market dictates (our fault as fans ) but he should be honourable enough play out his contract at 17 million. The fans that support him make a very small fraction.
Bigger picture is we complain about the 1% and the rich getting richer while defending entitled pro athletes makes millions that play a game.
Do actually think fans will stop forking over $300, $400, $500 per ticket? Stop buying merch? Stop watching?
Whether you like it or not, his circumstances are fundamentally different than any of ours. We also have the right to hire an agent or attorney during contract negotiations, but there's much less any of us can only do that any number of other applicants can. And if the niners don't pay him, there are plenty of other teams that could jump at that opportunity. I've never felt that Bosa was a Ra-ra Go Team! type of guy. He builds himself up in his lab. He and his brother are serious progressional DEs, more like mercenaries than a leader like Fred. But if we want to win a SB, you better believe we'll need him.
You're right that fans are willing to fork over big bucks for tickets but there will come a time when only the elite will be able to attend. $500 per game is already out of reach for the majority of fans. I know when they moved to Santa Clara many of the long time fans said no to the high priced seat licenses and the high ticket prices. So what happened was a lot of tickets were bought up by agencies and corporations. They still sold a lot of seats but it's not always the same fans there every week.
On top of that the NFL is selling the rights to show their games to the highest bidders. Piece by piece the ability to watch for free is disappearing. Then they have the crazy blackout policies which eliminates even more viewers. We have a thread on this forum that appears with some regularity on how to watch the games. Why? It should be easy to just turn on your set and sit back and enjoy. Instead the NFL, which is by far the most popular sport seems more interested in making money than making it easy for fans to watch.
Well said.
Originally posted by TD49ers:
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Originally posted by TD49ers:
He plays football........he shouldnt be on a pedestal.
I agree that market dictates (our fault as fans ) but he should be honourable enough play out his contract at 17 million. The fans that support him make a very small fraction.
Bigger picture is we complain about the 1% and the rich getting richer while defending entitled pro athletes makes millions that play a game.
Do actually think fans will stop forking over $300, $400, $500 per ticket? Stop buying merch? Stop watching?
Whether you like it or not, his circumstances are fundamentally different than any of ours. We also have the right to hire an agent or attorney during contract negotiations, but there's much less any of us can only do that any number of other applicants can. And if the niners don't pay him, there are plenty of other teams that could jump at that opportunity. I've never felt that Bosa was a Ra-ra Go Team! type of guy. He builds himself up in his lab. He and his brother are serious progressional DEs, more like mercenaries than a leader like Fred. But if we want to win a SB, you better believe we'll need him.
Eventually they will. Whether its because it becomes to expensive to go to games, buy a jersey or even to watch on TV. If I have to pay to watch a game on TV, I am done.
Kids are not watching sports like they use to....other distractions now. Not to mention resentment due to the rich salaries as common fans slowly get pushed out of the game.
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Originally posted by TD49ers:
He plays football........he shouldnt be on a pedestal.
I agree that market dictates (our fault as fans ) but he should be honourable enough play out his contract at 17 million. The fans that support him make a very small fraction.
Bigger picture is we complain about the 1% and the rich getting richer while defending entitled pro athletes makes millions that play a game.
Do actually think fans will stop forking over $300, $400, $500 per ticket? Stop buying merch? Stop watching?
Whether you like it or not, his circumstances are fundamentally different than any of ours. We also have the right to hire an agent or attorney during contract negotiations, but there's much less any of us can only do that any number of other applicants can. And if the niners don't pay him, there are plenty of other teams that could jump at that opportunity. I've never felt that Bosa was a Ra-ra Go Team! type of guy. He builds himself up in his lab. He and his brother are serious progressional DEs, more like mercenaries than a leader like Fred. But if we want to win a SB, you better believe we'll need him.
You're right that fans are willing to fork over big bucks for tickets but there will come a time when only the elite will be able to attend. $500 per game is already out of reach for the majority of fans. I know when they moved to Santa Clara many of the long time fans said no to the high priced seat licenses and the high ticket prices. So what happened was a lot of tickets were bought up by agencies and corporations. They still sold a lot of seats but it's not always the same fans there every week.
On top of that the NFL is selling the rights to show their games to the highest bidders. Piece by piece the ability to watch for free is disappearing. Then they have the crazy blackout policies which eliminates even more viewers. We have a thread on this forum that appears with some regularity on how to watch the games. Why? It should be easy to just turn on your set and sit back and enjoy. Instead the NFL, which is by far the most popular sport seems more interested in making money than making it easy for fans to watch.
I agree there should be a point of diminishing returns, but we haven't seen it yet. Demand remains very high.
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Originally posted by TD49ers:
He plays football........he shouldnt be on a pedestal.
I agree that market dictates (our fault as fans ) but he should be honourable enough play out his contract at 17 million. The fans that support him make a very small fraction.
Bigger picture is we complain about the 1% and the rich getting richer while defending entitled pro athletes makes millions that play a game.
Do actually think fans will stop forking over $300, $400, $500 per ticket? Stop buying merch? Stop watching?
Whether you like it or not, his circumstances are fundamentally different than any of ours. We also have the right to hire an agent or attorney during contract negotiations, but there's much less any of us can only do that any number of other applicants can. And if the niners don't pay him, there are plenty of other teams that could jump at that opportunity. I've never felt that Bosa was a Ra-ra Go Team! type of guy. He builds himself up in his lab. He and his brother are serious progressional DEs, more like mercenaries than a leader like Fred. But if we want to win a SB, you better believe we'll need him.
You're right that fans are willing to fork over big bucks for tickets but there will come a time when only the elite will be able to attend. $500 per game is already out of reach for the majority of fans. I know when they moved to Santa Clara many of the long time fans said no to the high priced seat licenses and the high ticket prices. So what happened was a lot of tickets were bought up by agencies and corporations. They still sold a lot of seats but it's not always the same fans there every week.
On top of that the NFL is selling the rights to show their games to the highest bidders. Piece by piece the ability to watch for free is disappearing. Then they have the crazy blackout policies which eliminates even more viewers. We have a thread on this forum that appears with some regularity on how to watch the games. Why? It should be easy to just turn on your set and sit back and enjoy. Instead the NFL, which is by far the most popular sport seems more interested in making money than making it easy for fans to watch.
I agree there should be a point of diminishing returns, but we haven't seen it yet. Demand remains very high.
You're right and that's part of the problem. Fans are the enablers. The NFL is more profitable than any of the other sports. The franchise are among the most valuable. The players are getting paid more and more. The ratings for games remains high. When was the last time the league gave something back to the fans? Instead they keep raising prices and making it harder to watch the games. It's like they're playing a game of chicken with the fans.