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Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Originally posted by bud49:
Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by bud49:
I have no interest in PFF numbers only thing I go by is The QB on the ground and he aint getting it done.

Bill Belichick goes by pressures not sacks but what does a defensive coaching guru and an 8 time Super Bowl winning coach know ?

"I think if you look at the overall passing game, the statistic that stands out the most in terms of correlation is pressure. So pressure on the quarterback leads to more bad plays than sacks do, in terms of turnovers unless you have strip sacks, obviously. That's the No. 1. After that, pressures cause bad throws and potentially turnovers."

Belichick noted that the pass rush comes down to team defense, tethering the production of the pass rush to the quality of coverage and vice versa. But his note about focusing on strip sacks and pressure while devaluing sacks is a unique insight. Sacks make players money, but they may not be tied to winning football games. Winning the turnover differential is an enormous part of winning football games. The Los Angeles Rams (+11), New Orleans Saints (+8), Chicago Bears (+14) are in the top five in turnover differential. The Patriots are in the top 10 at +5, a number which is improving as Tom Brady hasn't thrown an interception since Week 7.

So if pressures are tied to turnovers and turnovers are tied to wins, then Belichick's emphasis on pressures follow his cliche: "We do what's best for the team to win games."

I just see the results of pressure in the last two games and to me it hasn't worked out all that great they were L's.

Hey man, that pressure they got on Burrows was a game changer - once Burrows escaped and threw a DART for a 1st down.

Sorta what I was thinking. Are these PFF numbers used in fantasy football or something?
[ Edited by bud49 on Oct 30, 2023 at 3:06 PM ]
Originally posted by bud49:
Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Originally posted by bud49:
Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by bud49:
I have no interest in PFF numbers only thing I go by is The QB on the ground and he aint getting it done.

Bill Belichick goes by pressures not sacks but what does a defensive coaching guru and an 8 time Super Bowl winning coach know ?

"I think if you look at the overall passing game, the statistic that stands out the most in terms of correlation is pressure. So pressure on the quarterback leads to more bad plays than sacks do, in terms of turnovers unless you have strip sacks, obviously. That's the No. 1. After that, pressures cause bad throws and potentially turnovers."

Belichick noted that the pass rush comes down to team defense, tethering the production of the pass rush to the quality of coverage and vice versa. But his note about focusing on strip sacks and pressure while devaluing sacks is a unique insight. Sacks make players money, but they may not be tied to winning football games. Winning the turnover differential is an enormous part of winning football games. The Los Angeles Rams (+11), New Orleans Saints (+8), Chicago Bears (+14) are in the top five in turnover differential. The Patriots are in the top 10 at +5, a number which is improving as Tom Brady hasn't thrown an interception since Week 7.

So if pressures are tied to turnovers and turnovers are tied to wins, then Belichick's emphasis on pressures follow his cliche: "We do what's best for the team to win games."

I just see the results of pressure in the last two games and to me it hasn't worked out all that great they were L's.

Hey man, that pressure they got on Burrows was a game changer - once Burrows escaped and threw a DART for a 1st down.

Sorta what I was thinking. Are these PFF numbers used in fantasy football or something?

They are used to try and help casual fans understand football better.
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Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by bud49:
Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Originally posted by bud49:
Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by bud49:
I have no interest in PFF numbers only thing I go by is The QB on the ground and he aint getting it done.

Bill Belichick goes by pressures not sacks but what does a defensive coaching guru and an 8 time Super Bowl winning coach know ?

"I think if you look at the overall passing game, the statistic that stands out the most in terms of correlation is pressure. So pressure on the quarterback leads to more bad plays than sacks do, in terms of turnovers unless you have strip sacks, obviously. That's the No. 1. After that, pressures cause bad throws and potentially turnovers."

Belichick noted that the pass rush comes down to team defense, tethering the production of the pass rush to the quality of coverage and vice versa. But his note about focusing on strip sacks and pressure while devaluing sacks is a unique insight. Sacks make players money, but they may not be tied to winning football games. Winning the turnover differential is an enormous part of winning football games. The Los Angeles Rams (+11), New Orleans Saints (+8), Chicago Bears (+14) are in the top five in turnover differential. The Patriots are in the top 10 at +5, a number which is improving as Tom Brady hasn't thrown an interception since Week 7.

So if pressures are tied to turnovers and turnovers are tied to wins, then Belichick's emphasis on pressures follow his cliche: "We do what's best for the team to win games."

I just see the results of pressure in the last two games and to me it hasn't worked out all that great they were L's.

Hey man, that pressure they got on Burrows was a game changer - once Burrows escaped and threw a DART for a 1st down.

Sorta what I was thinking. Are these PFF numbers used in fantasy football or something?

They are used to try and help casual fans understand football better.

....
[ Edited by bud49 on Oct 30, 2023 at 3:43 PM ]
Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Originally posted by bud49:
Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by bud49:
I have no interest in PFF numbers only thing I go by is The QB on the ground and he aint getting it done.

Bill Belichick goes by pressures not sacks but what does a defensive coaching guru and an 8 time Super Bowl winning coach know ?

"I think if you look at the overall passing game, the statistic that stands out the most in terms of correlation is pressure. So pressure on the quarterback leads to more bad plays than sacks do, in terms of turnovers unless you have strip sacks, obviously. That's the No. 1. After that, pressures cause bad throws and potentially turnovers."

Belichick noted that the pass rush comes down to team defense, tethering the production of the pass rush to the quality of coverage and vice versa. But his note about focusing on strip sacks and pressure while devaluing sacks is a unique insight. Sacks make players money, but they may not be tied to winning football games. Winning the turnover differential is an enormous part of winning football games. The Los Angeles Rams (+11), New Orleans Saints (+8), Chicago Bears (+14) are in the top five in turnover differential. The Patriots are in the top 10 at +5, a number which is improving as Tom Brady hasn't thrown an interception since Week 7.

So if pressures are tied to turnovers and turnovers are tied to wins, then Belichick's emphasis on pressures follow his cliche: "We do what's best for the team to win games."

I just see the results of pressure in the last two games and to me it hasn't worked out all that great they were L's.

Hey man, that pressure they got on Burrows was a game changer - once Burrows escaped and threw a DART for a 1st down.

Tell me this part went over your heads...

Belichick noted that the pass rush comes down to team defense, tethering the production of the pass rush to the quality of coverage and vice versa.

...without telling me.
Originally posted by bud49:
Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Originally posted by bud49:
Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by bud49:
I have no interest in PFF numbers only thing I go by is The QB on the ground and he aint getting it done.

Bill Belichick goes by pressures not sacks but what does a defensive coaching guru and an 8 time Super Bowl winning coach know ?

"I think if you look at the overall passing game, the statistic that stands out the most in terms of correlation is pressure. So pressure on the quarterback leads to more bad plays than sacks do, in terms of turnovers unless you have strip sacks, obviously. That's the No. 1. After that, pressures cause bad throws and potentially turnovers."

Belichick noted that the pass rush comes down to team defense, tethering the production of the pass rush to the quality of coverage and vice versa. But his note about focusing on strip sacks and pressure while devaluing sacks is a unique insight. Sacks make players money, but they may not be tied to winning football games. Winning the turnover differential is an enormous part of winning football games. The Los Angeles Rams (+11), New Orleans Saints (+8), Chicago Bears (+14) are in the top five in turnover differential. The Patriots are in the top 10 at +5, a number which is improving as Tom Brady hasn't thrown an interception since Week 7.

So if pressures are tied to turnovers and turnovers are tied to wins, then Belichick's emphasis on pressures follow his cliche: "We do what's best for the team to win games."

I just see the results of pressure in the last two games and to me it hasn't worked out all that great they were L's.

Hey man, that pressure they got on Burrows was a game changer - once Burrows escaped and threw a DART for a 1st down.

Sorta what I was thinking. Are these PFF numbers used in fantasy football or something?

Nah it's a coaches type stat. Have you ever played FF lol.
[ Edited by GoreGoreGore on Oct 30, 2023 at 6:03 PM ]
Bosa looked a step slow all game yesterday. I've never seen him diving out of reach so many times a game. The plays seemed to be infront of him all game with lots of near tackles
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Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Originally posted by bud49:
Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by bud49:
I have no interest in PFF numbers only thing I go by is The QB on the ground and he aint getting it done.

Bill Belichick goes by pressures not sacks but what does a defensive coaching guru and an 8 time Super Bowl winning coach know ?

"I think if you look at the overall passing game, the statistic that stands out the most in terms of correlation is pressure. So pressure on the quarterback leads to more bad plays than sacks do, in terms of turnovers unless you have strip sacks, obviously. That's the No. 1. After that, pressures cause bad throws and potentially turnovers."

Belichick noted that the pass rush comes down to team defense, tethering the production of the pass rush to the quality of coverage and vice versa. But his note about focusing on strip sacks and pressure while devaluing sacks is a unique insight. Sacks make players money, but they may not be tied to winning football games. Winning the turnover differential is an enormous part of winning football games. The Los Angeles Rams (+11), New Orleans Saints (+8), Chicago Bears (+14) are in the top five in turnover differential. The Patriots are in the top 10 at +5, a number which is improving as Tom Brady hasn't thrown an interception since Week 7.

So if pressures are tied to turnovers and turnovers are tied to wins, then Belichick's emphasis on pressures follow his cliche: "We do what's best for the team to win games."

I just see the results of pressure in the last two games and to me it hasn't worked out all that great they were L's.

Hey man, that pressure they got on Burrows was a game changer - once Burrows escaped and threw a DART for a 1st down.

Tell me this part went over your heads...

Belichick noted that the pass rush comes down to team defense, tethering the production of the pass rush to the quality of coverage and vice versa.

...without telling me.

It didn't we are just pointing out that it just seems the pressure part that Bill is talking about is not working with the 49ers at this point, seeing how they are getting sliced and diced in recent weeks
[ Edited by bud49 on Oct 30, 2023 at 6:15 PM ]
[ Edited by BP13 on Oct 30, 2023 at 6:15 PM ]
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Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Originally posted by bud49:
Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Originally posted by bud49:
Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by bud49:
I have no interest in PFF numbers only thing I go by is The QB on the ground and he aint getting it done.

Bill Belichick goes by pressures not sacks but what does a defensive coaching guru and an 8 time Super Bowl winning coach know ?

"I think if you look at the overall passing game, the statistic that stands out the most in terms of correlation is pressure. So pressure on the quarterback leads to more bad plays than sacks do, in terms of turnovers unless you have strip sacks, obviously. That's the No. 1. After that, pressures cause bad throws and potentially turnovers."

Belichick noted that the pass rush comes down to team defense, tethering the production of the pass rush to the quality of coverage and vice versa. But his note about focusing on strip sacks and pressure while devaluing sacks is a unique insight. Sacks make players money, but they may not be tied to winning football games. Winning the turnover differential is an enormous part of winning football games. The Los Angeles Rams (+11), New Orleans Saints (+8), Chicago Bears (+14) are in the top five in turnover differential. The Patriots are in the top 10 at +5, a number which is improving as Tom Brady hasn't thrown an interception since Week 7.

So if pressures are tied to turnovers and turnovers are tied to wins, then Belichick's emphasis on pressures follow his cliche: "We do what's best for the team to win games."

I just see the results of pressure in the last two games and to me it hasn't worked out all that great they were L's.

Hey man, that pressure they got on Burrows was a game changer - once Burrows escaped and threw a DART for a 1st down.

Sorta what I was thinking. Are these PFF numbers used in fantasy football or something?

Nah it's a coaches type stat. Have you ever played FF lol.

Lol. I've never played Fantasy Football.
Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by bud49:
I have no interest in PFF numbers only thing I go by is The QB on the ground and he aint getting it done.

Bill Belichick goes by pressures not sacks but what does a defensive coaching guru and an 8 time Super Bowl winning coach know ?

"I think if you look at the overall passing game, the statistic that stands out the most in terms of correlation is pressure. So pressure on the quarterback leads to more bad plays than sacks do, in terms of turnovers unless you have strip sacks, obviously. That's the No. 1. After that, pressures cause bad throws and potentially turnovers."

Belichick noted that the pass rush comes down to team defense, tethering the production of the pass rush to the quality of coverage and vice versa. But his note about focusing on strip sacks and pressure while devaluing sacks is a unique insight. Sacks make players money, but they may not be tied to winning football games. Winning the turnover differential is an enormous part of winning football games. The Los Angeles Rams (+11), New Orleans Saints (+8), Chicago Bears (+14) are in the top five in turnover differential. The Patriots are in the top 10 at +5, a number which is improving as Tom Brady hasn't thrown an interception since Week 7.

So if pressures are tied to turnovers and turnovers are tied to wins, then Belichick's emphasis on pressures follow his cliche: "We do what's best for the team to win games."

But do you think Bill Belichick goes by his own film watching and what he determines is pressure, or does he go by what PFF tells him the numbers are? I just find it funny that so many fans put such faith in PFF, when they use a mathmatical system that can "adjust" grades based on the opinions of analysts who are no more qualified than the average fan.
Originally posted by bud49:
Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Originally posted by bud49:
Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by bud49:
I have no interest in PFF numbers only thing I go by is The QB on the ground and he aint getting it done.

Bill Belichick goes by pressures not sacks but what does a defensive coaching guru and an 8 time Super Bowl winning coach know ?

"I think if you look at the overall passing game, the statistic that stands out the most in terms of correlation is pressure. So pressure on the quarterback leads to more bad plays than sacks do, in terms of turnovers unless you have strip sacks, obviously. That's the No. 1. After that, pressures cause bad throws and potentially turnovers."

Belichick noted that the pass rush comes down to team defense, tethering the production of the pass rush to the quality of coverage and vice versa. But his note about focusing on strip sacks and pressure while devaluing sacks is a unique insight. Sacks make players money, but they may not be tied to winning football games. Winning the turnover differential is an enormous part of winning football games. The Los Angeles Rams (+11), New Orleans Saints (+8), Chicago Bears (+14) are in the top five in turnover differential. The Patriots are in the top 10 at +5, a number which is improving as Tom Brady hasn't thrown an interception since Week 7.

So if pressures are tied to turnovers and turnovers are tied to wins, then Belichick's emphasis on pressures follow his cliche: "We do what's best for the team to win games."

I just see the results of pressure in the last two games and to me it hasn't worked out all that great they were L's.

Hey man, that pressure they got on Burrows was a game changer - once Burrows escaped and threw a DART for a 1st down.

Tell me this part went over your heads...

Belichick noted that the pass rush comes down to team defense, tethering the production of the pass rush to the quality of coverage and vice versa.

...without telling me.

It didn't we are just pointing out that it just seems the pressure part that Bill is talking about is not working with the 49ers at this point, seeing how they are getting sliced and diced in recent weeks

You are soooo close to figuring this out....
Burrow had almost a 1st down every pass (8.8 yd avg) and missed 4 passes all game. Lmao "Bellicheat said pressures......"
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Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by bud49:
Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Originally posted by bud49:
Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by bud49:
I have no interest in PFF numbers only thing I go by is The QB on the ground and he aint getting it done.

Bill Belichick goes by pressures not sacks but what does a defensive coaching guru and an 8 time Super Bowl winning coach know ?

"I think if you look at the overall passing game, the statistic that stands out the most in terms of correlation is pressure. So pressure on the quarterback leads to more bad plays than sacks do, in terms of turnovers unless you have strip sacks, obviously. That's the No. 1. After that, pressures cause bad throws and potentially turnovers."

Belichick noted that the pass rush comes down to team defense, tethering the production of the pass rush to the quality of coverage and vice versa. But his note about focusing on strip sacks and pressure while devaluing sacks is a unique insight. Sacks make players money, but they may not be tied to winning football games. Winning the turnover differential is an enormous part of winning football games. The Los Angeles Rams (+11), New Orleans Saints (+8), Chicago Bears (+14) are in the top five in turnover differential. The Patriots are in the top 10 at +5, a number which is improving as Tom Brady hasn't thrown an interception since Week 7.

So if pressures are tied to turnovers and turnovers are tied to wins, then Belichick's emphasis on pressures follow his cliche: "We do what's best for the team to win games."

I just see the results of pressure in the last two games and to me it hasn't worked out all that great they were L's.

Hey man, that pressure they got on Burrows was a game changer - once Burrows escaped and threw a DART for a 1st down.

Tell me this part went over your heads...

Belichick noted that the pass rush comes down to team defense, tethering the production of the pass rush to the quality of coverage and vice versa.

...without telling me.

It didn't we are just pointing out that it just seems the pressure part that Bill is talking about is not working with the 49ers at this point, seeing how they are getting sliced and diced in recent weeks

You are soooo close to figuring this out....

I have it figured out. I'm just saying his pressure theory is not working out for the 49ers and his numbers are proving that. Hence Bosa has the best pressure rate and yet the 49ers are still losing. It's good though people can use PFF I like W's and sacks not L's.
[ Edited by bud49 on Oct 31, 2023 at 5:17 AM ]
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Originally posted by Fresh49:
Burrow had almost a 1st down every pass (8.8 yd avg) and missed 4 passes all game. Lmao "Bellicheat said pressures......"
Yep. Heck, they got pressure on Burrow that first drive and on one play Burrow ran over every D lineman while he was scrambling around in the pocket and then got the first down on a throw to Higgins and it was 3rd and 8. Wow.
[ Edited by bud49 on Oct 31, 2023 at 5:12 AM ]
My opinion is that BOSA put himself above the TEAM during his contract dispute and how he went about getting the extension is ruining the team.

All the other stars on this team did it the right way and put their teammates 1st, not Bosa.
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