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Originally posted by miked1978:
Bosa is playing just fine. His win rate is amongst the best in the NFL. Better than TJ Watt at the moment but yet Watt is clearly better to some of you. I wont argue bc we know why some of you hate Bosa now.

But let me ask this, is it better to get a sack or is it better to get a pressure that causes an interception? Sacks are a great stat but they don't tell the whole story. There has been a few interceptions this year due to the pressure Bosa is applying. But he dont get any stats for those type plays unless you look at the win rate.

Both are important but I'll take sacks over pressures. I know they can lead to an INT but that doesn't happen often. Usually just an incomplete pass. Sometimes pressures result in big broken plays when the DBs lose contact. Sacks can set the offense back 5 or 10 yards . It's like a holding penalty.
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Both are important but I'll take sacks over pressures. I know they can lead to an INT but that doesn't happen often. Usually just an incomplete pass. Sometimes pressures result in big broken plays when the DBs lose contact. Sacks can set the offense back 5 or 10 yards . It's like a holding penalty.

Sacks are subjective….some guy can get a sack based on coverage not his ability to win a rush.

I'll ALWAYS take consistent pressure vs sacks. If someone is stuff all game but manages to beat his guy once for a sack…is that more important than a guy who brings consistent pressure.

end of the day consistent pressure brings on sacks and or incompletions/TOs
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Both are important but I'll take sacks over pressures. I know they can lead to an INT but that doesn't happen often. Usually just an incomplete pass. Sometimes pressures result in big broken plays when the DBs lose contact. Sacks can set the offense back 5 or 10 yards . It's like a holding penalty.

Sacks are subjective….some guy can get a sack based on coverage not his ability to win a rush.

I'll ALWAYS take consistent pressure vs sacks. If someone is stuff all game but manages to beat his guy once for a sack…is that more important than a guy who brings consistent pressure.

end of the day consistent pressure brings on sacks and or incompletions/TOs

Yep, there is a reason observers now track pressure rates as closely as they do - they reveal consistency by the player.

Sacks are like the home run threat that only hits home runs when the bases are empty versus the guy who consistently hits a two-run single with men in scoring position. (sorry to go baseball - World Series time )
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Both are important but I'll take sacks over pressures. I know they can lead to an INT but that doesn't happen often. Usually just an incomplete pass. Sometimes pressures result in big broken plays when the DBs lose contact. Sacks can set the offense back 5 or 10 yards . It's like a holding penalty.

Sacks are subjective….some guy can get a sack based on coverage not his ability to win a rush.

I'll ALWAYS take consistent pressure vs sacks. If someone is stuff all game but manages to beat his guy once for a sack…is that more important than a guy who brings consistent pressure.

end of the day consistent pressure brings on sacks and or incompletions/TOs

Yep, there is a reason observers now track pressure rates as closely as they do - they reveal consistency by the player.

Sacks are like the home run threat that only hits home runs when the bases are empty versus the guy who consistently hits a two-run single with men in scoring position. (sorry to go baseball - World Series time )

Our 3rd down defense is also a contributor to our lack of sacks. QBs hold the ball more on the gotta have it down and our 3rd down coverage has been ass. Joe Burrow has said he takes a lot of 3rd down sacks in an effort to give his guys every second to get open. When we have Cambell, our Safeties and Yiadom playing the way they have been it hasn't caused many hitches on 3rd and long.
Those quads...

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
Those quads...


Must have spent time with Kyle before he ran his 40.
The last time I saw Bosa closing out a game the way TJ Watt did last monday was in 2022 against the Saints.

2 years ago.........

But but but pressures but but but PFF's grades
[ Edited by Monsterniner on Oct 30, 2024 at 6:05 PM ]
Lots of hate on Bosa because of the hat.
Originally posted by RonnieLott:
Lots of hate on Bosa because of the hat.

He's the cat in the hat.
Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
Those quads...


Lol at first glance, I thought it was Purdy.
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Both are important but I'll take sacks over pressures. I know they can lead to an INT but that doesn't happen often. Usually just an incomplete pass. Sometimes pressures result in big broken plays when the DBs lose contact. Sacks can set the offense back 5 or 10 yards . It's like a holding penalty.

Sacks are subjective….some guy can get a sack based on coverage not his ability to win a rush.

I'll ALWAYS take consistent pressure vs sacks. If someone is stuff all game but manages to beat his guy once for a sack…is that more important than a guy who brings consistent pressure.

end of the day consistent pressure brings on sacks and or incompletions/TOs

Yep, there is a reason observers now track pressure rates as closely as they do - they reveal consistency by the player.

Sacks are like the home run threat that only hits home runs when the bases are empty versus the guy who consistently hits a two-run single with men in scoring position. (sorry to go baseball - World Series time )
Consistent pressure is great, so are sacks, many point to which is better, and we all know the Belichick quote on pressures. For a player view, check out why Cam Heyward (3 time all pro) says sacks are better. They aren't mutually exclusive though, most players who get 10+ sacks a year are usually getting consistent pressure. There's a reason why the goal is to bring the QB down.
Thing is, a sack ends the play, whereas pressures don't always end plays. We lost the AZ game after our D applied heavy pressure to Murray on 4th down, and he still found Harrison to seal the game. If Bosa sacks Murray there, it's a turnover on downs.
Also, I'm not knocking Bosa, I love the guy, one of my favorite players, just giving my 2 Cents
Originally posted by Monsterniner:
The last time I saw Bosa closing out a game the way TJ Watt did last monday was in 2022 against the Saints.

2 years ago.........

But but but pressures but but but PFF's grades

Originally posted by BP13:
Consistent pressure is great, so are sacks, many point to which is better, and we all know the Belichick quote on pressures. For a player view, check out why Cam Heyward (3 time all pro) says sacks are better. They aren't mutually exclusive though, most players who get 10+ sacks a year are usually getting consistent pressure. There's a reason why the goal is to bring the QB down.
Thing is, a sack ends the play, whereas pressures don't always end plays. We lost the AZ game after our D applied heavy pressure to Murray on 4th down, and he still found Harrison to seal the game. If Bosa sacks Murray there, it's a turnover on downs.
Also, I'm not knocking Bosa, I love the guy, one of my favorite players, just giving my 2 Cents

This is what I call the sack fallacy. It's obvious that one sack is (usually) better than one pressure, but multiple pressures might be a lot better than one sack.

Pressures lead to incompletions, interceptions, twitchy QB play, shuffled OL resources, play-calling adjustments, blocked passing lanes, and a a ton of stuff that will win you games.
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Seems Bosa and his play is taken for granted we are so used to it.
Originally posted by joeknows:
This is what I call the sack fallacy. It's obvious that one sack is (usually) better than one pressure, but multiple pressures might be a lot better than one sack.

Pressures lead to incompletions, interceptions, twitchy QB play, shuffled OL resources, play-calling adjustments, blocked passing lanes, and a a ton of stuff that will win you games.

Pressures also work better when we have s pocket QB. Guys wit mobility however exploit us every time on key downs and I am sick of it
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