DE Nick Bosa "Smaller Bear" NO POLITICS

Originally posted by Schulzy:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Schulzy:

Originally posted by HONEYBADGER:
I think he's done playing with these clowns. Can you blame him at all?

That being said, 49ers probably shouldn't have paid him, his brother is known as a contract year player and it appears Nick is the same.

Yeah, I can.

He was paid to be an all-pro and no longer is.

I would trade him in the off-season if the team is going to continue to de-emphasize running the ball and stopping the run.

No use for a pass rusher when you are constantly behind in games.

Yeah the defense looked much better without him out there. SMH

The defense hasn't looked good with him either.

It's all about return on investment. Do you think the organization is getting a positive ROI from Bosa since he signed his new deal? I don't.

Originally posted by mcwoot:

Originally posted by Schulzy:

Originally posted by mcwoot:

Originally posted by Schulzy:
Jesus. No one is saying Bosa isn't a good player.

The question is if his play is at the level it was in 2019 and 2022 that matches up to his high-end salary.

Answer seems like yes to me

You guys are easy to please I guess.

Bosa was given the most guaranteed money ever for a defensive player in NFL history off a tremendous 2022 where he had 18.5 sacks, won DPOY was 1st team All-Pro and finished 6th in MVP voting.

Since, he has 17.5 sacks in 27 GP and baring a major turnaround this year will have not made either 1st or 2nd team All-Pro in any year since his new contract.

That's good return on investment to you?

He's a top-5 edge defender and is one of the best in the league against both run and pass at a premium position. His pressures have been there this season but sacks are down, but I would say that has more to do with the rest of the line and the DBs than Bosa.

Originally posted by Schulzy:

Originally posted by mcwoot:

Originally posted by Schulzy:

Originally posted by mcwoot:

Originally posted by Schulzy:
Jesus. No one is saying Bosa isn't a good player.

The question is if his play is at the level it was in 2019 and 2022 that matches up to his high-end salary.

Answer seems like yes to me

You guys are easy to please I guess.

Bosa was given the most guaranteed money ever for a defensive player in NFL history off a tremendous 2022 where he had 18.5 sacks, won DPOY was 1st team All-Pro and finished 6th in MVP voting.

Since, he has 17.5 sacks in 27 GP and baring a major turnaround this year will have not made either 1st or 2nd team All-Pro in any year since his new contract.

That's good return on investment to you?

He's a top-5 edge defender and is one of the best in the league against both run and pass at a premium position. His pressures have been there this season but sacks are down, but I would say that has more to do with the rest of the line and the DBs than Bosa.

Well, top 5 edge rusher would put him into the 1st or 2nd team All-Pro category each season. He wasn't last year and likely won't this year. So is he really top 5?

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Schulzy:

Originally posted by mcwoot:

Originally posted by Schulzy:

Originally posted by mcwoot:

Originally posted by Schulzy:
Jesus. No one is saying Bosa isn't a good player.

The question is if his play is at the level it was in 2019 and 2022 that matches up to his high-end salary.

Answer seems like yes to me

You guys are easy to please I guess.

Bosa was given the most guaranteed money ever for a defensive player in NFL history off a tremendous 2022 where he had 18.5 sacks, won DPOY was 1st team All-Pro and finished 6th in MVP voting.

Since, he has 17.5 sacks in 27 GP and baring a major turnaround this year will have not made either 1st or 2nd team All-Pro in any year since his new contract.

That's good return on investment to you?

He's a top-5 edge defender and is one of the best in the league against both run and pass at a premium position. His pressures have been there this season but sacks are down, but I would say that has more to do with the rest of the line and the DBs than Bosa.

Well, top 5 edge rusher would put him into the 1st or 2nd team All-Pro category each season. He wasn't last year and likely won't this year. So is he really top 5?

Did you consider Dak Prescott a better QB than Mahomes and Allen last year? Using All-Pros to determine a players worth is a horrible metric.

Originally posted by Schulzy:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Schulzy:

Originally posted by mcwoot:

Originally posted by Schulzy:

Originally posted by mcwoot:

Originally posted by Schulzy:
Jesus. No one is saying Bosa isn't a good player.

The question is if his play is at the level it was in 2019 and 2022 that matches up to his high-end salary.

Answer seems like yes to me

You guys are easy to please I guess.

Bosa was given the most guaranteed money ever for a defensive player in NFL history off a tremendous 2022 where he had 18.5 sacks, won DPOY was 1st team All-Pro and finished 6th in MVP voting.

Since, he has 17.5 sacks in 27 GP and baring a major turnaround this year will have not made either 1st or 2nd team All-Pro in any year since his new contract.

That's good return on investment to you?

He's a top-5 edge defender and is one of the best in the league against both run and pass at a premium position. His pressures have been there this season but sacks are down, but I would say that has more to do with the rest of the line and the DBs than Bosa.

Well, top 5 edge rusher would put him into the 1st or 2nd team All-Pro category each season. He wasn't last year and likely won't this year. So is he really top 5?

Did you consider Dak Prescott a better QB than Mahomes and Allen last year? Using All-Pros to determine a players worth is a horrible metric.

I do think that solely using that as a barometer isn't good. But you're only filling one QB spot per team versus 2 edge players per team. So there's more opportunity for Bosa to make one of those teams.

And Dak did have a great year last year and was a top 5 player at the position although I would never put him about Mahomes or Allen in totality.

But this is TWO years now where Bosa has not been at the top of his position.

Originally posted by picklejuice:
i think he's too banged up and old and washed. time to trade our injury prone guys

Originally posted by redrathman:

Originally posted by picklejuice:
i think he's too banged up and old and washed. time to trade our injury prone guys

Agreed.

Originally posted by redrathman:

Originally posted by picklejuice:
i think he's too banged up and old and washed. time to trade our injury prone guys

Agreed.

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Is edge really the most important part of the Dline in winning it all? the past 3-4 SB winners have had elite/top tier DTs.. the Chiefs with Chris Jones, the Rams with Donald. You can make the argument that the Bucs had JPP, but they also had Suh. The last 4 winners of the SB have all had Top DTs. I bring this up not to s**t on Bosa cause obviously hes doing well, but maybe the DE isn't the most important part in winning it all.

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Is edge really the most important part of the Dline in winning it all? the past 3-4 SB winners have had elite/top tier DTs.. the Chiefs with Chris Jones, the Rams with Donald. You can make the argument that the Bucs had JPP, but they also had Suh. The last 4 winners of the SB have all had Top DTs. I bring this up not to s**t on Bosa cause obviously hes doing well, but maybe the DE isn't the most important part in winning it all.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Is edge really the most important part of the Dline in winning it all? the past 3-4 SB winners have had elite/top tier DTs.. the Chiefs with Chris Jones, the Rams with Donald. You can make the argument that the Bucs had JPP, but they also had Suh. The last 4 winners of the SB have all had Top DTs. I bring this up not to s**t on Bosa cause obviously hes doing well, but maybe the DE isn't the most important part in winning it all.

It's about having a defensive line unit and depth. Having a stud like Bosa much like the Broncos had with Von Miller is a great first step. But he needs to have a counter punch like Miller got with Ware. There's a lot of phenomenal DTs in the NFL who can't even sniff the playoffs (Jarrett, Pancake eater in NY) so it's not a position group that automatically elevates your squad but pressure up the middle with pressure on the edges is the ultimate cheat code on D.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Is edge really the most important part of the Dline in winning it all? the past 3-4 SB winners have had elite/top tier DTs.. the Chiefs with Chris Jones, the Rams with Donald. You can make the argument that the Bucs had JPP, but they also had Suh. The last 4 winners of the SB have all had Top DTs. I bring this up not to s**t on Bosa cause obviously hes doing well, but maybe the DE isn't the most important part in winning it all.

It's about having a defensive line unit and depth. Having a stud like Bosa much like the Broncos had with Von Miller is a great first step. But he needs to have a counter punch like Miller got with Ware. There's a lot of phenomenal DTs in the NFL who can't even sniff the playoffs (Jarrett, Pancake eater in NY) so it's not a position group that automatically elevates your squad but pressure up the middle with pressure on the edges is the ultimate cheat code on D.