DE Nick Bosa "Smaller Bear" NO POLITICS

Originally posted by thl408:
Hero, what do you think about Bosa at 9t? Does that help or hinder him? I made a post about this on the previous page. Wanted your thoughts.

I think much has been claimed about Bosa's first step. I think he'll be just fine.

IMO from what I watched his first step was much faster when he was in obvious pass rush situations and for his size he's a pretty good athlete.

That 10 yard split was top notch. Certainly wish he didn't have an ankle issue but personally I think he's not going to be hindered at all playing further out from the tackles.

Originally posted by KittleSkittle:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by KittleSkittle:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:
3 sacks for Bosa on Sunday. Book it

Would cause so many tears of joy

Meh, the Bucs tackles aren't very good. There is no excuse for either Ford or Bosa to not get at least a pressure every passing down as long as they get a 1-on-1 matchup with either tackle. That said, 3 sacks would be very impressive.

Yeeeeeah. I don't think these guys getting pressure every single down is realistic. The Bears were crazy good last year and they had a sack/int/fumble forced on 1 out of 8 passing attempts last year, and that was crazy high.

Football insiders did a very comprehensive study on pressures where they went through a complex algorithm of adjusting pressures vs coverage sacks and times the QB fell down or caused a sack or pressure himself. These were qualitative pressures and they did this after the 2017 season.

In 2017 the team with the highest pressure rate was Jacksonville at 38.4%. That's actually the highest rate between 2006-2017. So, even if they got a pressure on 2 out of 5 passing downs they still would be ranking the best of the last 13 years.

What is the single game record for pressure rate? 30+% pressure rate for the season should be the expectation for our line considering the resources we've invested into it, but we're going up against a terrible line this game, so I expect us to beat that 38.4% rate this week.

I'll concede that 100% pressure rate is unreasonable considering the variables involved, but if Bosa or Ford get a 1-on-1 rush against either of these tackles on an obvious passing down, I expect them to win the majority of the time, if not every time. That won't always translate into a pressure or a sack, but it will result in a good PFF grade which is what ultimately matters.

1st bold: I'll let you look that up, what the single game record for pressure rate is.
2nd bold: How do they win but not get a pressure? That's how pressures are calculated
You expect them to win their battles, but they don't have to get a pressure, but if they don't get a high pressure rate that's below your expectations......

I get what you're saying, you expect them to be dominant players. I get that. They're going against a bad OL, I get that. What I'm trying to say is that even as a dominant player, you can't expect what you're expecting. That's what happens when we live in a highlight world. We get the impression that Khalil Mack, Aaron Donald, or whoever else is winning every single play. That's just not realistic. Those guys don't even do that, even against some of the worst in the game at their positions. These are still starting OL in the NFL.

Let's just relax and expect them to have good games, our D to keep Tampa Bay out of the endzone and us come out of the dishwasher with a win.

Originally posted by thl408:
Hero, what do you think about Bosa at 9t? Does that help or hinder him? I made a post about this on the previous page. Wanted your thoughts.

I don't think it helps or hinders him much. I've seen him get a sack or two from a wide split in college. A tighter split would probably be best for Nick so he could hand fight in a phone booth, but his footwork is(turn hips with inside foot, gain depth with outside foot) is impeccable. As long as he's consistently getting a good jump, he should be fine.

I think the biggest advantage he could gain comes in how it affects the tackle. Bosa's favorite counter is an inside club-swim. Tackle's oversetting against the wide 9 to reach their landmark become super susceptible to this counter. He'll take it all day if a tackle is giving it to him.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by thl408:
Hero, what do you think about Bosa at 9t? Does that help or hinder him? I made a post about this on the previous page. Wanted your thoughts.

I don't think it helps or hinders him much. I've seen him get a sack or two from a wide split in college. A tighter split would probably be best for Nick so he could hand fight in a phone booth, but his footwork is(turn hips with inside foot, gain depth with outside foot) is impeccable. As long as he's consistently getting a good jump, he should be fine.

I think the biggest advantage he could gain comes in how it affects the tackle. Bosa's favorite counter is an inside club-swim. Tackle's oversetting against the wide 9 become super susceptible to this counter.

Considering I've seen us run only one side of the line in the w9 I'd suspect they'd give Bosa the freedom to do what he's best at, not shoehorn him into having to play w9 if he's more comfortable getting in close. That's what it sounded like in the interviews at the start of training camp. He liked being in close because he's so good at the handfighting.

Let's see if he can finish a game without getting hurt. Hopefully he don't the Jimmie ward of the dline.

If Bosa & Ford & Buck gets zero sacks & we win I could give a flying f**k if we leave Tampa with zero sacks.
Just want to start out 1-0 on the road on the east coast.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by thl408:
Hero, what do you think about Bosa at 9t? Does that help or hinder him? I made a post about this on the previous page. Wanted your thoughts.

I don't think it helps or hinders him much. I've seen him get a sack or two from a wide split in college. A tighter split would probably be best for Nick so he could hand fight in a phone booth, but his footwork is(turn hips with inside foot, gain depth with outside foot) is impeccable. As long as he's consistently getting a good jump, he should be fine.

I think the biggest advantage he could gain comes in how it affects the tackle. Bosa's favorite counter is an inside club-swim. Tackle's oversetting against the wide 9 become super susceptible to this counter.

Considering I've seen us run only one side of the line in the w9 I'd suspect they'd give Bosa the freedom to do what he's best at, not shoehorn him into having to play w9 if he's more comfortable getting in close. That's what it sounded like in the interviews at the start of training camp. He liked being in close because he's so good at the handfighting.

Yeah guys, the bolded is what I was referring to. If I had to classify his style, I'd say he's a power/technique rusher, not speed. He doesn't need to be in a 9t to generate speed/power. He is powerful enough to not need the added distance that a 9t is provided.

Didn't think about how an OT facing a 9t has a deeper set which can open up the inside rush that Bosa has shown to win with. Can't wait to see this guy - the fruits of our crappy 2018 season.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

1st bold: I'll let you look that up, what the single game record for pressure rate is.

I did. The record for a single game is 100% by the 49ers on 9/8/2019 against TB.

My bad about how pressures are calculated. I assumed pressure rate was calculated separately from the actual win rate % and a pressure required the QB to be affected by the rush (IE. hurried or forced to scramble).

Originally posted by thl408:

Yeah guys, the bolded is what I was referring to. If I had to classify his style, I'd say he's a power/technique rusher, not speed. He doesn't need to be in a 9t to generate speed/power. He is powerful enough to not need the added distance that a 9t is provided.

Didn't think about how an OT facing a 9t has a deeper set which can open up the inside rush that Bosa has shown to win with. Can't wait to see this guy - the fruits of our crappy 2018 season.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by okdkid:

I can't lie, I will be disappointed if Bosa doesn't get a sack in this game after all of the preseason hype. Especially considering the OL he's up against.

I'll be disappointed if we still aren't generating pressure

I do not have high expectations. Sorry, but I do not believe in Saleh. DC is what makes the defense. Bosa most likely will only play on 3rd downs until he's 100%.

He said he's had no residual swelling after multiple practices. And they wouldn't let him even hit the practice field if his MRI showed any signs of damage. He's 100%.

Would be tremendously dumb of the Niners to let him play at all if he wasn't fully healed.

I'm talking about conditioning. Can't really condition when trying to heal the lower body. Don't think he can handle three downs.

Huh? You can get your heart rate up and work on your lung capacity without using your lower body or at least in a way which would impact the ankle healing properly.

How do you think paraplegics train for a marathon?

Imagine thinking lung capacity was the only thing that required NFL level conditioning.

Let me know when you find someone who is saying that's the case.

Until then I'll continue laughing at the idea that the only way you can condition yourself is by using your lower body.

Muscle conditioning in terms of stamina. When you don't get a chance to work on the stamina, the legs turn into rubber fast. High ankle is tough to train on. Working on footwork and nailing that down also is included in being game ready.

And comparing to paraplegic conditioning is silly. Show me a player condition by using only his upper body and then make him play a sport where it's mostly lower body and I will show you someone who is not conditioned for the game. The legs will go fast, even if the lungs want to keep going.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by thl408:

Hero, what do you think about Bosa at 9t? Does that help or hinder him? I made a post about this on the previous page. Wanted your thoughts.

I don't think it helps or hinders him much. I've seen him get a sack or two from a wide split in college. A tighter split would probably be best for Nick so he could hand fight in a phone booth, but his footwork is(turn hips with inside foot, gain depth with outside foot) is impeccable. As long as he's consistently getting a good jump, he should be fine.

I think the biggest advantage he could gain comes in how it affects the tackle. Bosa's favorite counter is an inside club-swim. Tackle's oversetting against the wide 9 become super susceptible to this counter.

Considering I've seen us run only one side of the line in the w9 I'd suspect they'd give Bosa the freedom to do what he's best at, not shoehorn him into having to play w9 if he's more comfortable getting in close. That's what it sounded like in the interviews at the start of training camp. He liked being in close because he's so good at the handfighting.

Yeah guys, the bolded is what I was referring to. If I had to classify his style, I'd say he's a power/technique rusher, not speed. He doesn't need to be in a 9t to generate speed/power. He is powerful enough to not need the added distance that a 9t is provided.

Didn't think about how an OT facing a 9t has a deeper set which can open up the inside rush that Bosa has shown to win with. Can't wait to see this guy - the fruits of our crappy 2018 season.

I'm thinking the same thing. He doesn't seem like someone who wants to run full speed and try to bend. He seems like he's best when his lower body is more controlled because he's so good with leverage.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by okdkid:
I can't lie, I will be disappointed if Bosa doesn't get a sack in this game after all of the preseason hype. Especially considering the OL he's up against.

I'll be disappointed if we still aren't generating pressure

I do not have high expectations. Sorry, but I do not believe in Saleh. DC is what makes the defense. Bosa most likely will only play on 3rd downs until he's 100%.

He said he's had no residual swelling after multiple practices. And they wouldn't let him even hit the practice field if his MRI showed any signs of damage. He's 100%.

Would be tremendously dumb of the Niners to let him play at all if he wasn't fully healed.

I'm talking about conditioning. Can't really condition when trying to heal the lower body. Don't think he can handle three downs.

Huh? You can get your heart rate up and work on your lung capacity without using your lower body or at least in a way which would impact the ankle healing properly.

How do you think paraplegics train for a marathon?

Imagine thinking lung capacity was the only thing that required NFL level conditioning.

Let me know when you find someone who is saying that's the case.

Until then I'll continue laughing at the idea that the only way you can condition yourself is by using your lower body.

Muscle conditioning in terms of stamina. When you don't get a chance to work on the stamina, the legs turn into rubber fast. High ankle is tough to train on. Working on footwork and nailing that down also is included in being game ready.

And comparing to paraplegic conditioning is silly. Show me a player condition by using only his upper body and then make him play a sport where it's mostly lower body and I will show you someone who is not conditioned for the game. The legs will go fast, even if the lungs want to keep going.

I didn't say only using upper body, just pointing out that because a lower body injury is in place doesn't mean you can't work on ensuring you're still in good cardio shape.

Let's not act like a pro football player missing 3 weeks with an ankle injury is going through muscle atrophy or something. Maybe he's not in peak shape but I'm sure conditioning isn't an issue anymore than it would be for a guy like Arik Armstead.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by okdkid:

I can't lie, I will be disappointed if Bosa doesn't get a sack in this game after all of the preseason hype. Especially considering the OL he's up against.

I'll be disappointed if we still aren't generating pressure

I do not have high expectations. Sorry, but I do not believe in Saleh. DC is what makes the defense. Bosa most likely will only play on 3rd downs until he's 100%.

He said he's had no residual swelling after multiple practices. And they wouldn't let him even hit the practice field if his MRI showed any signs of damage. He's 100%.

Would be tremendously dumb of the Niners to let him play at all if he wasn't fully healed.

I'm talking about conditioning. Can't really condition when trying to heal the lower body. Don't think he can handle three downs.

Huh? You can get your heart rate up and work on your lung capacity without using your lower body or at least in a way which would impact the ankle healing properly.

How do you think paraplegics train for a marathon?

Imagine thinking lung capacity was the only thing that required NFL level conditioning.

Let me know when you find someone who is saying that's the case.

Until then I'll continue laughing at the idea that the only way you can condition yourself is by using your lower body.

Muscle conditioning in terms of stamina. When you don't get a chance to work on the stamina, the legs turn into rubber fast. High ankle is tough to train on. Working on footwork and nailing that down also is included in being game ready.

And comparing to paraplegic conditioning is silly. Show me a player condition by using only his upper body and then make him play a sport where it's mostly lower body and I will show you someone who is not conditioned for the game. The legs will go fast, even if the lungs want to keep going.

I didn't say only using upper body, just pointing out that because a lower body injury is in place doesn't mean you can't work on ensuring you're still in good cardio shape.

Let's not act like a pro football player missing 3 weeks with an ankle injury is going through muscle atrophy or something. Maybe he's not in peak shape but I'm sure conditioning isn't an issue anymore than it would be for a guy like Arik Armstead.

Get a room you guys. Bickering like an old married couple. Lol

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by okdkid:
I can't lie, I will be disappointed if Bosa doesn't get a sack in this game after all of the preseason hype. Especially considering the OL he's up against.

I'll be disappointed if we still aren't generating pressure

I do not have high expectations. Sorry, but I do not believe in Saleh. DC is what makes the defense. Bosa most likely will only play on 3rd downs until he's 100%.

He said he's had no residual swelling after multiple practices. And they wouldn't let him even hit the practice field if his MRI showed any signs of damage. He's 100%.

Would be tremendously dumb of the Niners to let him play at all if he wasn't fully healed.

I'm talking about conditioning. Can't really condition when trying to heal the lower body. Don't think he can handle three downs.

Huh? You can get your heart rate up and work on your lung capacity without using your lower body or at least in a way which would impact the ankle healing properly.

How do you think paraplegics train for a marathon?

Imagine thinking lung capacity was the only thing that required NFL level conditioning.

Let me know when you find someone who is saying that's the case.

Until then I'll continue laughing at the idea that the only way you can condition yourself is by using your lower body.

Muscle conditioning in terms of stamina. When you don't get a chance to work on the stamina, the legs turn into rubber fast. High ankle is tough to train on. Working on footwork and nailing that down also is included in being game ready.

And comparing to paraplegic conditioning is silly. Show me a player condition by using only his upper body and then make him play a sport where it's mostly lower body and I will show you someone who is not conditioned for the game. The legs will go fast, even if the lungs want to keep going.

I didn't say only using upper body, just pointing out that because a lower body injury is in place doesn't mean you can't work on ensuring you're still in good cardio shape.

Let's not act like a pro football player missing 3 weeks with an ankle injury is going through muscle atrophy or something. Maybe he's not in peak shape but I'm sure conditioning isn't an issue anymore than it would be for a guy like Arik Armstead.

Get a room you guys. Bickering like an old married couple. Lol

Only if you join us.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Defensive ends Dee Ford (55) and Nick Bosa (97) today at #49ers practice. pic.twitter.com/XtV9vNXWHT

— Matt Maiocco (@MaioccoNBCS) September 5, 2019

Bless all the knees, ankles amd hamstrings.

Amen

Ahmad brooks 2.0 and Aldon smith 2.0. Hope hope!

More like von Miller and DeMarcus ware

I'll take that. Or Freeny/Mathis.

Agree! I'll take that! Man I can't wait to see the twist and dogs between Ford/Bosa and the 3tech DT (Solomon - who I hope lives up to his college reputation, or Buckner). I hope its successful enough that Saleh stays away as much as possible from that wide 9 formations on early downs and short yardage.