DE Nick Bosa "Smaller Bear" NO POLITICS

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Hitman49:
I didn't like that the training staff sent out Bosa to start the game against the Bucs without taping up his ankle. Looks like Bosa aggravated it in the first half and then they tape it up in the second half. The training staff should not be reactive in this situation.

How do you know he wasn't taped? That be a huge error if they let that happen.

ok,, if true,, then i take back saying this staff is competent

Yeah, cc your no longer credible. J/K

i never was. your point is?

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Hitman49:
I didn't like that the training staff sent out Bosa to start the game against the Bucs without taping up his ankle. Looks like Bosa aggravated it in the first half and then they tape it up in the second half. The training staff should not be reactive in this situation.

How do you know he wasn't taped? That be a huge error if they let that happen.

ok,, if true,, then i take back saying this staff is competent

Yeah, cc your no longer credible. J/K

i never was. your point is?

Forget it.

Originally posted by Hitman49:
I didn't like that the training staff sent out Bosa to start the game against the Bucs without taping up his ankle. Looks like Bosa aggravated it in the first half and then they tape it up in the second half. The training staff should not be reactive in this situation.

Its extremely likely that Nick didn't want his ankle taped. I understand and also agree that his ankle should've been taped from the start but i know when i played i hated having my ankles taped, it was too restricting and it made me feel slow off the ball (a mental thing obviously). Although we don't know the truth of why it wasn't taped, i see it more of a player option than a training staff option.

Originally posted by JayBomber:
Its extremely likely that Nick didn't want his ankle taped. I understand and also agree that his ankle should've been taped from the start but i know when i played i hated having my ankles taped, it was too restricting and it made me feel slow off the ball (a mental thing obviously). Although we don't know the truth of why it wasn't taped, i see it more of a player option than a training staff option.

He looked pretty good in the second half taped up...

Originally posted by JayBomber:

Originally posted by Hitman49:
I didn't like that the training staff sent out Bosa to start the game against the Bucs without taping up his ankle. Looks like Bosa aggravated it in the first half and then they tape it up in the second half. The training staff should not be reactive in this situation.

Its extremely likely that Nick didn't want his ankle taped. I understand and also agree that his ankle should've been taped from the start but i know when i played i hated having my ankles taped, it was too restricting and it made me feel slow off the ball (a mental thing obviously). Although we don't know the truth of why it wasn't taped, i see it more of a player option than a training staff option.

Yeah, Bosa probably told them he didn't want it taped.

Originally posted by Hitman49:

Originally posted by JayBomber:
Its extremely likely that Nick didn't want his ankle taped. I understand and also agree that his ankle should've been taped from the start but i know when i played i hated having my ankles taped, it was too restricting and it made me feel slow off the ball (a mental thing obviously). Although we don't know the truth of why it wasn't taped, i see it more of a player option than a training staff option.

He looked pretty good in the second half taped up...

Maybe he's plays better taped up. Tape up both ankles then.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by mayo49:
How do you know he wasn't taped? That be a huge error if they let that happen.

Because you could see it.

Untaped right ankle in first half; taped in the second half. Edge rushers normally don't want anything around their ankles or knees. It inhibits your ability to bend.
Tape is not a good sign.

Could've been taped under the sock. Then they doubled up the tape over the sock. Happens all the time.

That's what I assume happened. His tree trunk legs were too much for one tape job when bend a corner.

Looks like he's going to play. I'd rather have him *not* play until after the bye. I think he's *that* important to the defense. Hey, I'll take the win if that's the case, but if it's a loss and he continues to feel pain and not practice, I think that's definitely a net loss healthwise for Nick and the 49ers. In other words, it will be a net-positive if we win against the Bungles, but if his presence didn't result in a win, then it's a net loss because he'll have played on that ankle instead of having more time for that ankle to heal.

I agree with NY85, unless he has signficicant rest, he's not practicing much the rest of the year until he's pain free.

Originally posted by JayBomber:

Originally posted by Hitman49:
I didn't like that the training staff sent out Bosa to start the game against the Bucs without taping up his ankle. Looks like Bosa aggravated it in the first half and then they tape it up in the second half. The training staff should not be reactive in this situation.

Its extremely likely that Nick didn't want his ankle taped. I understand and also agree that his ankle should've been taped from the start but i know when i played i hated having my ankles taped, it was too restricting and it made me feel slow off the ball (a mental thing obviously). Although we don't know the truth of why it wasn't taped, i see it more of a player option than a training staff option.

Very possible and it actually made me feel so much better about his play knowing he aggravated the injury early in the game because he kept getting pushed around a bit early in the game. Looked like he felt much better once they taped it and started trusting his footing much more. Don't think I saw him hit the ground in the 2nd half like he was doing early on in the game.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by cciowa:
i just think a high sprain lingers for a while. the good players like frank gire play through it and are fine. the crappy ones like jason webster do not. the only real cure i think is rest and we can not afford for him to miss multiple games in my opinion unless it just gets to a point where he hurts us. so fine. limit him in practice, watch him carefully in the games and let the chips fall. we can not be so arrogant to look at our schedule and say .. oh here is a easy win. set him then

A running back and an pass rusher are two different positions using two different areas of the body. In a RB, he's leaning forward and I think his knees are more important than the Ankles. In a pass rusher, all that stress of bending the arc and fighting off the OT and levering a 300+ pound OT out of the way - to get to the QB - puts a lot of stress on that Ankle. Unless you can put some sort of brace on the ankle to limit movement (and I don't think there is such a device) - OKids' point about tearing tendons and ligaments in a pass rush really does concern me.

The best they can do to limit movement is tape it up.

stick it in a bucket of ice water or is that old timey advice?

Pretty much, ice it down and tape it up. But yeah, it's a no-risk-it, no-biscuit league. I can see WHY Kyle/Saleh will play Bosa despite the ankle injury, I just cannot agree to it. First play of the game, he reinjures it. That tells me the ankle is still fragile. The fact that he did better at the end of the game is probably due to adrenalin. The fact that he's still not pain free days after the game, that's another indication it's more severe than what people think. NFL guys have a lot of pain tolerance. Typical NFL Guys suit up and play with dislocated shoulders on game day, for example. It's up to the medical guys to hold them back for their own good.

Yeah at this point all they can do is manage pain and swelling. What he needs is a good month or more of physical therapy to ease him back into it. It all starts with getting full pain free range of motion in the ankle(which usually takes a couple weeks), followed by some light resistance and balance exercises. You keep progressing difficulty as long as there is no pain or swelling. Eventually your progress through straight line running to agility drills and high level balance. In an ideal situation, he wouldn't be cleared to return until he could complete high level single leg balance exercises with great ankle control. Unfortunately, the injury came at a bad time so he will play through it. His pain may get better over the course of the season, but he will constantly re-injuring that ankle(and possibly other things from compensating) as long as he continues to play. The worst part is, the longer you go without properly treating an injury like this, the more likely it will never get back to 100% normal. This is why many athletes who have had at least 1 bad ankle injury, continue to get them.

Originally posted by JayBomber:
Its extremely likely that Nick didn't want his ankle taped. I understand and also agree that his ankle should've been taped from the start but i know when i played i hated having my ankles taped, it was too restricting and it made me feel slow off the ball (a mental thing obviously). Although we don't know the truth of why it wasn't taped, i see it more of a player option than a training staff option.

Yup, that's how I was as well.

I'd be surprised if he had it taped up coming into the game. And even if he did, that would be a bad sign that he had to double-layer in the second half. He probably felt good coming into the game and retweaked it in the first half.

I had a high-ankle sprain in college that literally lasted an entire year because I wouldn't stay off it. I hope Nick is smarter than I was.

My concern is the possibility of re-injury or making worse/injuring something else. Otherwise play.

If sitting him 2-3 weeks removes that and it's fully healed that's the smart move imo.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Looks like he's going to play. I'd rather have him *not* play until after the bye. I think he's *that* important to the defense. Hey, I'll take the win if that's the case, but if it's a loss and he continues to feel pain and not practice, I think that's definitely a net loss healthwise for Nick and the 49ers. In other words, it will be a net-positive if we win against the Bungles, but if his presence didn't result in a win, then it's a net loss because he'll have played on that ankle instead of having more time for that ankle to heal.

I agree with NY85, unless he has signficicant rest, he's not practicing much the rest of the year until he's pain free.

Yeah he will get maintenance days throughout the week and be on snap counts early in the yr....is what it is, you can't sit around waiting for everyone to be 100% before you play them.

If he was at the point where he couldn't protect himself or wasn't effective on the field they wouldn't play him.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

My concern is the possibility of re-injury or making worse/injuring something else. Otherwise play.

If sitting him 2-3 weeks removes that and it's fully healed that's the smart move imo.

It will more than likely be an issue most of the season. Like Breida was last yr.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

My concern is the possibility of re-injury or making worse/injuring something else. Otherwise play.

If sitting him 2-3 weeks removes that and it's fully healed that's the smart move imo.

It will more than likely be an issue most of the season. Like Breida was last yr.

Yeah that sucks. I'd rather sit and wait but I get it. We have had no luck with injuries.

Originally posted by MTninerfan:

Yeah at this point all they can do is manage pain and swelling. What he needs is a good month or more of physical therapy to ease him back into it. It all starts with getting full pain free range of motion in the ankle(which usually takes a couple weeks), followed by some light resistance and balance exercises. You keep progressing difficulty as long as there is no pain or swelling. Eventually your progress through straight line running to agility drills and high level balance. In an ideal situation, he wouldn't be cleared to return until he could complete high level single leg balance exercises with great ankle control. Unfortunately, the injury came at a bad time so he will play through it. His pain may get better over the course of the season, but he will constantly re-injuring that ankle(and possibly other things from compensating) as long as he continues to play. The worst part is, the longer you go without properly treating an injury like this, the more likely it will never get back to 100% normal. This is why many athletes who have had at least 1 bad ankle injury, continue to get them.

That reminds me a bit of Patrick Willis' foot injury. He played with it for a whole year and I think it ended his career a couple of years early. I think (maybe) he could still be playing today, but for that foot injury.

I know it's not the same kind of injury as Bosa's, but the danger for Bosa and the 49ers is losing a dynasty franchise level player in the future just to play him for a couple of games. In my view I wouldn't play him until that reinjury risk is way down below what it is now.