DE Nick Bosa "Smaller Bear" NO POLITICS

I can easily see both sides. I definitely want him to be healthy but the staff and FO are under pressure to win this year. Everybody said there's no more excuses anymore and now they're trying to make sure they win by having one of their best players play. And we prob need to rack up wins now if we can because our schedule only gets tougher as we go.

It is what it is. I'll just be praying he doesn't make it worse.

Originally posted by Giedi:
A running back and an pass rusher are two different positions using two different areas of the body. In a RB, he's leaning forward and I think his knees are more important than the Ankles. In a pass rusher, all that stress of bending the arc and fighting off the OT and levering a 300+ pound OT out of the way - to get to the QB - puts a lot of stress on that Ankle. Unless you can put some sort of brace on the ankle to limit movement (and I don't think there is such a device) - OKids' point about tearing tendons and ligaments in a pass rush really does concern me.

Ankles are every bit as important to running backs.

Originally posted by cciowa:
stick it in a bucket of ice water or is that old timey advice?

And give him a salt tablet...

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Looks like he's going to play. I'd rather have him *not* play until after the bye. I think he's *that* important to the defense. Hey, I'll take the win if that's the case, but if it's a loss and he continues to feel pain and not practice, I think that's definitely a net loss healthwise for Nick and the 49ers. In other words, it will be a net-positive if we win against the Bungles, but if his presence didn't result in a win, then it's a net loss because he'll have played on that ankle instead of having more time for that ankle to heal.

I agree with NY85, unless he has signficicant rest, he's not practicing much the rest of the year until he's pain free.

Yeah he will get maintenance days throughout the week and be on snap counts early in the yr....is what it is, you can't sit around waiting for everyone to be 100% before you play them.

If he was at the point where he couldn't protect himself or wasn't effective on the field they wouldn't play him.

Well maintenance days are better than no rest, that's for sure.

I think knee, Achillies, head, and ankle injuries have to be treated differently than other typical injuries.

For example, head injuries, for a QB, achillies for Wr's and RB's, Ankle injuries for pass rushers - because that's how they make their money. If Bosa was an OT and turned an ankle, it wouldn't bother me as much. But an ankle injury on a pass rusher is like a head injury or a rotator cuff injury for a QB. Those things can affect his future and the future of the entire team.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by Giedi:

A running back and an pass rusher are two different positions using two different areas of the body. In a RB, he's leaning forward and I think his knees are more important than the Ankles. In a pass rusher, all that stress of bending the arc and fighting off the OT and levering a 300+ pound OT out of the way - to get to the QB - puts a lot of stress on that Ankle. Unless you can put some sort of brace on the ankle to limit movement (and I don't think there is such a device) - OKids' point about tearing tendons and ligaments in a pass rush really does concern me.

Ankles are every bit as important to running backs.

Every body part is important. but the knee, is important in change of directions, for example, in a running back. Certain injuries dont affect a player as much as other injuries- depending on their position.

A rotator cuff injury on a linebacker wont affect him as much as a rotator cuff on a QBs throwing arm. Is another example.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by MTninerfan:
Yeah at this point all they can do is manage pain and swelling. What he needs is a good month or more of physical therapy to ease him back into it. It all starts with getting full pain free range of motion in the ankle(which usually takes a couple weeks), followed by some light resistance and balance exercises. You keep progressing difficulty as long as there is no pain or swelling. Eventually your progress through straight line running to agility drills and high level balance. In an ideal situation, he wouldn't be cleared to return until he could complete high level single leg balance exercises with great ankle control. Unfortunately, the injury came at a bad time so he will play through it. His pain may get better over the course of the season, but he will constantly re-injuring that ankle(and possibly other things from compensating) as long as he continues to play. The worst part is, the longer you go without properly treating an injury like this, the more likely it will never get back to 100% normal. This is why many athletes who have had at least 1 bad ankle injury, continue to get them.

That reminds me a bit of Patrick Willis' foot injury. He played with it for a whole year and I think it ended his career a couple of years early. I think (maybe) he could still be playing today, but for that foot injury.

I know it's not the same kind of injury as Bosa's, but the danger for Bosa and the 49ers is losing a dynasty franchise level player in the future just to play him for a couple of games. In my view I wouldn't play him until that reinjury risk is way down below what it is now.

Come on my dude...

This is not the same thing. And Willis definitely could've kept playing but decided he didn't want to play at less than 100%.

This is more of a pain management situation. If Bosa feels ok to play then play him. He could sit out, get 100% healthy then have his foot ran over by a bus crossing the street for all we know.

Originally posted by Giedi:
Every body part is important. but the knee, is important in change of directions, for example, in a running back. Certain injuries dont affect a player as much as other injuries- depending on their position.

A rotator cuff injury on a linebacker wont affect him as much as a rotator cuff on a QBs throwing arm. Is another example.

Stand up, plant your foot like you are going to make a cut. Your ankle takes way more strain than you realize.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Well maintenance days are better than no rest, that's for sure.

I think knee, Achillies, head, and ankle injuries have to be treated differently than other typical injuries.

For example, head injuries, for a QB, achillies for Wr's and RB's, Ankle injuries for pass rushers - because that's how they make their money. If Bosa was an OT and turned an ankle, it wouldn't bother me as much. But an ankle injury on a pass rusher is like a head injury or a rotator cuff injury for a QB. Those things can affect his future and the future of the entire team.

I think an ankle injury is bad for any player...everyone is moving around.

We only got 15 more games...it's not basketball where they can sit out a while and it doesn't destroy the season.

This win could literally be the difference between making or not making the playoffs. As long as he can go and be effective, he's gotta play and you know me I'm the best Bosa fan in here and want him healthy

Anyone find it ironic that one of the knocks on Nick and Bosa's as a family is that they don't play unless they're 100% healthy and here we are arguing if it's smarter to sit him out while he's hoping to play less than 100%?

Originally posted by genus49:

Anyone find it ironic that one of the knocks on Nick and Bosa's as a family is that they don't play unless they're 100% healthy and here we are arguing if it's smarter to sit him out while he's hoping to play less than 100%?

People are arguing to sit him because they are concerned he's going to cause further damage to the ankle...which is valid

rest Barney for the next 5 weeks... screw it.. we want our 2nd overall talented pick to be able to at least give us 4 healthy productive years !!!

don't play heem REST UP

Play his ass! We have a game to win!

get his number two pick ass out there and crush Andy Dalton the red headed step child!

One of two things will happen if the 49ers keep running him out there:

1. He will play through the injury. The ankle will get better.
2. He will get so badly injured by playing on the bum ankle that he will be lost for the season.

Here's hoping for Number 1!!!