DE Nick Bosa "Smaller Bear" NO POLITICS

Originally posted by Dshearn:

That has to be including pre-season or something..... Since we know Bosa did not have 13 sacks.

Or maybe they are just awarding full sacks for half sacks.

I think that's fair.

I think the Smith/cowboy combo is different, since one was an edge line backer that was feasting off the other compressing the edge.

Ford and Bosa came from opposite sides most of the time. My original take on it was they were stealing sacks from each other, but after re-watching a lot of last year... i came to find a lot of sacks last year were from pocket movement.

That is why i think Kinlaw is going to be a huge deal this year. He is not going to compress the pocket against double teams, as much as he will find his way into eh back field and force the QB to move toward Ford or Bosa. How many times last year was the sack a half second off? I think they get a larger share of those this year due to Kinlaw cutting the pocket in half.

I would hate to compare a rookie to a HOF player, but I think there will be an Allen Page effect.

It includes the playoffs (19 games)

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Is Dee Ford to Bosa what a many thought Cowboy was to Aldon Smith?

"Bosa wasn't as effective last year without Pro Bowl edge rusher Dee Ford, whose presence limited opponents' ability to double-team him. Bosa had two sacks in the seven games in which Ford was limited to 30 snaps because of a hamstring injury. Bosa had 11 sacks in the 12 games Ford finished."

https://www.sfchronicle.com/49ers/amp/A-better-Bosa-49ers-Pro-Bowl-pass-rusher-15251266.php

That has to be including pre-season or something..... Since we know Bosa did not have 13 sacks.

Or maybe they are just awarding full sacks for half sacks.

I think that's fair.

I think the Smith/cowboy combo is different, since one was an edge line backer that was feasting off the other compressing the edge.

Ford and Bosa came from opposite sides most of the time. My original take on it was they were stealing sacks from each other, but after re-watching a lot of last year... i came to find a lot of sacks last year were from pocket movement.

That is why i think Kinlaw is going to be a huge deal this year. He is not going to compress the pocket against double teams, as much as he will find his way into eh back field and force the QB to move toward Ford or Bosa. How many times last year was the sack a half second off? I think they get a larger share of those this year due to Kinlaw cutting the pocket in half.

I would hate to compare a rookie to a HOF player, but I think there will be an Allen Page effect.

That's probably including the postseason where he had 4 sacks.

Originally posted by Hopper:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Is Dee Ford to Bosa what a many thought Cowboy was to Aldon Smith?

"Bosa wasn't as effective last year without Pro Bowl edge rusher Dee Ford, whose presence limited opponents' ability to double-team him. Bosa had two sacks in the seven games in which Ford was limited to 30 snaps because of a hamstring injury. Bosa had 11 sacks in the 12 games Ford finished."

https://www.sfchronicle.com/49ers/amp/A-better-Bosa-49ers-Pro-Bowl-pass-rusher-15251266.php

That has to be including pre-season or something..... Since we know Bosa did not have 13 sacks.

Or maybe they are just awarding full sacks for half sacks.

I think that's fair.

I think the Smith/cowboy combo is different, since one was an edge line backer that was feasting off the other compressing the edge.

Ford and Bosa came from opposite sides most of the time. My original take on it was they were stealing sacks from each other, but after re-watching a lot of last year... i came to find a lot of sacks last year were from pocket movement.

That is why i think Kinlaw is going to be a huge deal this year. He is not going to compress the pocket against double teams, as much as he will find his way into eh back field and force the QB to move toward Ford or Bosa. How many times last year was the sack a half second off? I think they get a larger share of those this year due to Kinlaw cutting the pocket in half.

I would hate to compare a rookie to a HOF player, but I think there will be an Allen Page effect.

That's probably including the postseason where he had 4 sacks.

REgarding Aldon Smith vs Nick Bosa. I think Aldon got 14 sacks in his rookie year. 12, I think, in the regular season, and another 2 in the playoffs. Bosa got 9 in the regular season game and 4 in the playoffs. So Bosa nearly equalled Aldon during their first year (14 sacks vs 13 sacks)- and Bosa had a huge production in the playoffs vs Aldon who only got 2 in the playoffs.

With Kinlaw playing next to him, and with Ford/Armstead at the other side - I think he can hit 19 this year (but I'm including the playoffs too) In other words, I think Bosa can get 15 sacks in the regular season and add another 4 in the playoffs (and hopefully a super bowl win too) and that would equal Aldon's 2nd season at 19-ish. Now, if Dee Ford stays healthy the entire year (yeah right) I think he can break Strahan's sack record, but when has Dee Ford ever been 100% healthy the entire year.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Hopper:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Is Dee Ford to Bosa what a many thought Cowboy was to Aldon Smith?

"Bosa wasn't as effective last year without Pro Bowl edge rusher Dee Ford, whose presence limited opponents' ability to double-team him. Bosa had two sacks in the seven games in which Ford was limited to 30 snaps because of a hamstring injury. Bosa had 11 sacks in the 12 games Ford finished."

https://www.sfchronicle.com/49ers/amp/A-better-Bosa-49ers-Pro-Bowl-pass-rusher-15251266.php

That has to be including pre-season or something..... Since we know Bosa did not have 13 sacks.

Or maybe they are just awarding full sacks for half sacks.

I think that's fair.

I think the Smith/cowboy combo is different, since one was an edge line backer that was feasting off the other compressing the edge.

Ford and Bosa came from opposite sides most of the time. My original take on it was they were stealing sacks from each other, but after re-watching a lot of last year... i came to find a lot of sacks last year were from pocket movement.

That is why i think Kinlaw is going to be a huge deal this year. He is not going to compress the pocket against double teams, as much as he will find his way into eh back field and force the QB to move toward Ford or Bosa. How many times last year was the sack a half second off? I think they get a larger share of those this year due to Kinlaw cutting the pocket in half.

I would hate to compare a rookie to a HOF player, but I think there will be an Allen Page effect.

That's probably including the postseason where he had 4 sacks.

REgarding Aldon Smith vs Nick Bosa. I think Aldon got 14 sacks in his rookie year. 12, I think, in the regular season, and another 2 in the playoffs. Bosa got 9 in the regular season game and 4 in the playoffs. So Bosa nearly equalled Aldon during their first year (14 sacks vs 13 sacks)- and Bosa had a huge production in the playoffs vs Aldon who only got 2 in the playoffs.

With Kinlaw playing next to him, and with Ford/Armstead at the other side - I think he can hit 19 this year (but I'm including the playoffs too) In other words, I think Bosa can get 15 sacks in the regular season and add another 4 in the playoffs (and hopefully a super bowl win too) and that would equal Aldon's 2nd season at 19-ish. Now, if Dee Ford stays healthy the entire year (yeah right) I think he can break Strahan's sack record, but when has Dee Ford ever been 100% healthy the entire year.

Aldon got 14 in the regular season as a rookie. Then 19.5 in year two, none of that is counting his post season sacks.

Instead of comparing the two, why not just note that we were blessed to have had both playing for us (49ers)? Comparing these two players is nuts, because when you look at what Aldon Smith did as a rookie, he only played on passing downs as a pass rush specialist. Then when they started him he increased his sack numbers to 19.5!

Filling Aldon Smith's production is almost impossible. How about we let Bosa be the best version of himself?

But...

Would if we had both of these guys at the same time? If Aldon's addiction issues didn't kick in that would have been insane!!!!

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Aldon got 14 in the regular season as a rookie. Then 19.5 in year two, none of that is counting his post season sacks.

Instead of comparing the two, why not just note that we were blessed to have had both playing for us (49ers)? Comparing these two players is nuts, because when you look at what Aldon Smith did as a rookie, he only played on passing downs as a pass rush specialist. Then when they started him he increased his sack numbers to 19.5!

Filling Aldon Smith's production is almost impossible. How about we let Bosa be the best version of himself?

But...

Would if we had both of these guys at the same time? If Aldon's addiction issues didn't kick in that would have been insane!!!!

Quite right. 14 regular and 2 in the playoffs. My bad. Aldon was a monster and if he had kept his head on straight - we might still have Harlbaugh and Baalke here.

I like looking at our stud DE's and comparing them. I think DE's that rush the passer, if you get a Fred Dean, Aldon, Haley, or Bosa, you have the first half of a dynasty equation. The other half is the Joe, Steve, Brady or Garoppolo. If you have both, you have the foundations of a dynasty.

I think Aldon had the hall of fame talent of a Michael Strahan. Too bad he just drunk his talents away. I think one of the reasons Aldon had such a great rookie year was because Ahmand Brooks contributed 7 sacks from the opposite rush position. If Dee Ford was healthy all year - I think Bosa would have broken Aldon's record and quite possibly have been in range of Strahan's record.

This year, I think with Kinlaw and Armstead, as well as Dee Ford (when he's healthy) I think he has a shot at 14 sacks and if Dee Ford does manage to play all 16 games, 21 isn't an unreasonable number to hit. I mean if Bosa was averaging 4 sacks during the 3 playoff games, that's about 21 sacks if he stretches that out to 16 games.

I think Ford has a breakout season this year - stays healthy and gets 10+ sacks. I think him and Nick have a big season.

Originally posted by mayo49:

I think Ford has a breakout season this year - stays healthy and gets 10+ sacks. I think him and Nick have a big season.

What inside information leads you to that speculation? Please share the sunshine.

Originally posted by mayo49:
I think Ford has a breakout season this year - stays healthy and gets 10+ sacks. I think him and Nick have a big season.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by mayo49:
I think Ford has a breakout season this year - stays healthy and gets 10+ sacks. I think him and Nick have a big season.

What inside information leads you to that speculation? Please share the sunshine.

Well, it would be great if it did happen.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by mayo49:
I think Ford has a breakout season this year - stays healthy and gets 10+ sacks. I think him and Nick have a big season.

What inside information leads you to that speculation? Please share the sunshine.

Well, it would be great if it did happen.

It's just a feeling I got for both of them. I just think they have a big season, of course if the play this year.

This may have been posted somewhere, but it is worth another look. A bit more Chase Young but a good breakdown of both.

Originally posted by Bluesbro:
This may have been posted somewhere, but it is worth another look. A bit more Chase Young but a good breakdown of both.

I can see how Kinlaw really matches well with Bosa's much stiffer and stronger body than Chase Young. I would have loved to have Chase Young, but he reminds me a bit of Aldon - I don't know enough of Chase to judge his character, but one thing you don't have with Bosa is any sort of Aldon alcohol issues. As everyone here says - the best ability is *availability.* If Ford can stay healthy, *he* might break strahan's record because of the overshift the OLine protection has to do towards the Kinlaw/Bosa tandem combo.

Is there a PFF stat somewhere for DEs that counts how many times they were chip blocked by a RB/WR? I think Bosa would be top 3 at that stat.

When this happens, Bosa probably fails a pass rush rep but he should get a coverage snap win. Any RB/WR/TE that does this has basically killed his route and is much easier to cover.

Which is why pass rush is SO important in this league.