Mitch Wishnowsky - Punter (Utah) is a 49er

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by NCommand:

4th rounder who can't kick off a ball out of the EZ. SMH.

I know it's still early.. the guy is a rookie.. but I'm losing faith in this pick already. We took away Gould's snapper and holder -- look what happened. We have kicks returned on us all the time now, and see how that's hurt us. And now Pinion is doing great in Tampa, making things look even worse.

PInion wasn't perfect with us, but I thought he caught more crap than he should've.

Go watch his last kickoff at 1:42. It was crazy low and still only made it to the 1. We were VERY lucky to stop them at the 30. That was a crucial moment. 5 yards makes all the difference there (spotted at the 25 IF he could kick it out of the EZ). If we ever lose Mostert or Moore as gunners, the coverage units are in deep deep trouble. His leg looks dead/worn right now on kickoffs.

He's 27 too, I mean.. I don't see him gaining significantly more length strength than he already has.

He doesn't seem to be getting much air on the kickoffs either. He has more kickoffs being returned then any other kicker so we have given up more return yards then any other team.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Niners99:
Looks like PFF would say we made a mistake.

While I agree he was a dumb pick in the 4th round. Seems like every punter is around the mid 60s. He's 9 points from being PFFs second best kicker which means absolutely nothing

Yeah looking at that list punting has been underwhelming around the entire league.

Originally posted by Niners99:

Looks like PFF would say we made a mistake.

Just trying to stay webzone relevant in understanding here...

So this week PFF grades are a useful tool for evaluating players right? Because I can't keep straight as to when it is and when it isn't OK to use PFF.

Ya'll get critical of PFF one moment and the next you are relying on it to prove points?

Originally posted by Oilcan:

He doesn't seem to be getting much air on the kickoffs either. He has more kickoffs being returned then any other kicker so we have given up more return yards then any other team.

Someone needs to do a gif on that finally kickoff so fans can see what we're talking about.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

He's 27 too, I mean.. I don't see him gaining significantly more length strength than he already has.

Great point.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

He's 27 too, I mean.. I don't see him gaining significantly more length strength than he already has.

Great point.

I think this is a pretty big problem honestly. Do we consider bringing in a KOS? Gould's strength is suffering lately too from what I've noticed. I'm not sure he can get it into the end zone either.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

He's 27 too, I mean.. I don't see him gaining significantly more length strength than he already has.

Great point.

I think this is a pretty big problem honestly. Do we consider bringing in a KOS? Gould's strength is suffering lately too from what I've noticed. I'm not sure he can get it into the end zone either.

Robbie never could. So you have two guys who can barely make it to the front line and now, think about the returners we'd face in the playoffs. A guy like Lockett could end our season with one return or we could get down early because of short fields. Also, you're putting Mostert more at risk for injury instead of just kicking it deep and saving a hamstring or other risk of injury. And Hightower seems clueless. You could tell they aren't prepared for anything.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

He's 27 too, I mean.. I don't see him gaining significantly more length strength than he already has.

Great point.

I think this is a pretty big problem honestly. Do we consider bringing in a KOS? Gould's strength is suffering lately too from what I've noticed. I'm not sure he can get it into the end zone either.

Robbie never could. So you have two guys who can barely make it to the front line and now, think about the returners we'd face in the playoffs. A guy like Lockett could end our season with one return or we could get down early because of short fields. Also, you're putting Mostert more at risk for injury instead of just kicking it deep and saving a hamstring or other risk of injury. And Hightower seems clueless. You could tell they aren't prepared for anything.

Can we please hound the beat writers to press the questions on this? We need answers like NOW. PLEASE! This can't be the best we can do. Surely with some easily freeable roster spots like Matthews and Dontae Johnson, we can bring in a kick-off specialist to help us with that field position advantage.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Looks like PFF would say we made a mistake.

Just trying to stay webzone relevant in understanding here...

So this week PFF grades are a useful tool for evaluating players right? Because I can't keep straight as to when it is and when it isn't OK to use PFF.

Ya'll get critical of PFF one moment and the next you are relying on it to prove points?

PFF is an All 22 film based grading service owned by Cris Collinsworth, and all 32 NFL teams subscribe to a special service that gives them the premium numbers/info asap after gamedays.

Its never meant to be the gospel, just a tool to see if what the educated football fan's eyes tell them is backed up by the graders. Its the only tool of its kind, so everyone who hates it is just a grouchy old school fan who trusts their own eyes watching most of 1-2 games per week over people who watch every snap of every game and are scoring each player on each individual play. Its all arrogance to suggest this service is a joke, because 99% of fans dont even know how to watch film or what to look for.

Even NFL teams don't have time to scout every player in the league on every play this extensively. Obviously some grading has to be done on assumption, because you wont always know what the players' specific assignment was on that play. The fact that NFL teams want the numbers each week shows that it has merit.

The anti-PFF fans just get mad when the scores shatter their perception of reality.

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Looks like PFF would say we made a mistake.

Just trying to stay webzone relevant in understanding here...

So this week PFF grades are a useful tool for evaluating players right? Because I can't keep straight as to when it is and when it isn't OK to use PFF.

Ya'll get critical of PFF one moment and the next you are relying on it to prove points?

PFF is an All 22 film based grading service owned by Cris Collinsworth, and all 32 NFL teams subscribe to a special service that gives them the premium numbers/info asap after gamedays.

Its never meant to be the gospel, just a tool to see if what the educated football fan's eyes tell them is backed up by the graders. Its the only tool of its kind, so everyone who hates it is just a grouchy old school fan who trusts their own eyes watching most of 1-2 games per week over people who watch every snap of every game and are scoring each player on each individual play. Its all arrogance to suggest this service is a joke, because 99% of fans dont even know how to watch film or what to look for.

Even NFL teams don't have time to scout every player in the league on every play this extensively. Obviously some grading has to be done on assumption, because you wont always know what the players' specific assignment was on that play. The fact that NFL teams want the numbers each week shows that it has merit.

The anti-PFF fans just get mad when the scores shatter their perception of reality.

LOL I know what it is and IMO can be a film aide but it is not gospel.

But from one day to the next we have flip flopping going on here with PFF being cited as trustworthy or not. Sometimes it seems like it is OK, other times it is not OK to use PFF in discussions and debates.

Spammed all the beat writers the question of why we would not bring in a kick-off specialist instead of wasting a roster spot on Helm, Matthews and Dontae Johnson right now.

Pettis practiced last week and is good to go. We don't need a 6th WR. Toilolo is fine now. We don't need 4 TEs. Sherman and Williams are expected back. We don't need Johnson anymore this week. Any of those three could be replaced by a KOS to help us win the field position battle and keep our STs players healthy and fresher.

This is my favorite thread to follow. The best comments are the "b...bu...but we should have used that highly valuable 4th on ANYTHING else!"

Oh yeah. Like on who? Who...without the aid of hindsight...would you have spent that super coveted 4th round pick on? 95% of the 4th round is total trash.

No doubt that trash 4th round DB/OL prospect we would have taken would have made all the difference on the practice squad when he was inevitably cut 4 months after being drafted.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Spammed all the beat writers the question of why we would not bring in a kick-off specialist instead of wasting a roster spot on Helm, Matthews and Dontae Johnson right now.

Pettis practiced last week and is good to go. We don't need a 6th WR. Toilolo is fine now. We don't need 4 TEs. Sherman and Williams are expected back. We don't need Johnson anymore this week. Any of those three could be replaced by a KOS to help us win the field position battle and keep our STs players healthy and fresher.

It's absolutely a legit point and concern. Do the Rams have a good return game? I'm blanking on the last time we faced them and their return yards.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Spammed all the beat writers the question of why we would not bring in a kick-off specialist instead of wasting a roster spot on Helm, Matthews and Dontae Johnson right now.

Pettis practiced last week and is good to go. We don't need a 6th WR. Toilolo is fine now. We don't need 4 TEs. Sherman and Williams are expected back. We don't need Johnson anymore this week. Any of those three could be replaced by a KOS to help us win the field position battle and keep our STs players healthy and fresher.

It's absolutely a legit point and concern. Do the Rams have a good return game? I'm blanking on the last time we faced them and their return yards.

Natson was placed on IR, Darrell Henderson the rookie is the current return man.