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Originally posted by evil:Source?
We have no clue whether Kyle is choosing to be conservative or if it comes from RH.
Originally posted by evil:Originally posted by NCommand:He essentially gave us what an UDFA Punter would have given us. That said, his upside is through the roof. He'll have a full off season now to work on his leg strength for kickoffs and refine his technique on punting going forward. His coach, Hightower is a p***y, so he won't need to worry about practicing any fake punts or anything like that. He did a stellar job on snaps/holds and by late season, the trio were making all their field goals. His work is cut out for him.
Source?
We have no clue whether Kyle is choosing to be conservative or if it comes from RH.
Originally posted by 49ers808:Lol undrafted punters produce the same or better than 44.9. The plan of using a 4th round pick is, was and always will be stupid
There was an article posted a few times a couple years ago that showed that drafted punters have a much higher success rate than undrafted punters.
And with punters net average is the stat you look at. Wish was inside the top 15 for net, 1 spot ahead of Bailey whom the Pat's drafted a round later (Bailey also had nearly 30 more punts). All but one punter ahead of Wish in net had at least 10 more punts and in a lot of cases 20 more. The one lone punter with fewer punts and a better net avg was Bryan Anger who was a 3rd round pick for the Jags several years ago.
And Wish was a rookie, so he has room to grow still.
Originally posted by 49ers808:This net stuff is becoming a tired excuse for wasting a 4th on him and trying to make him seem more than he is. It has already been covered, but are you also taking into account where he was punting it from? Unless you think our offense wasn't moving the ball all season. If he was top 15 when punting from inside our own 25 or so, then okay I'd be impressed. What he did this season was nothing special at all, not what you would expect from a 4th round pick. Then his kickoffs were just added salt cause it was straight up awful. I tried convincing myself that we took him for his running abilities on 4th down fakes or something, then as NC stated, p***y happened and we didn't even try NOT ONCE ALL SEASON!! I mean as a fan I hope he improves of course, but 27 year old rookie, I wouldn't hold my breath on that improvement being much.
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:People can complain about using a 4th on a punter alm they want. But Wish was an improvement on our punting game and I think he still has a bit of upside we havent seen yet.
Originally posted by Sickaa:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
People can complain about using a 4th on a punter alm they want. But Wish was an improvement on our punting game and I think he still has a bit of upside we havent seen yet.
Yeah, I don't see the point In complaining over a 4th round pick tbh.
Originally posted by Sickaa:Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:People can complain about using a 4th on a punter alm they want. But Wish was an improvement on our punting game and I think he still has a bit of upside we havent seen yet.
Yeah, I don't see the point In complaining over a 4th round pick tbh.
Originally posted by RTFirefly:Originally posted by Sickaa:Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:People can complain about using a 4th on a punter alm they want. But Wish was an improvement on our punting game and I think he still has a bit of upside we havent seen yet.
Yeah, I don't see the point In complaining over a 4th round pick tbh.
The 49ers got exactly one (that's 1) career Pro Bowl appearance (Pro Bowl, not the more exclusive All-Pro) out of our previous 20 years worth of 4th round picks. (Michael Robinson did go on to get two with the Seahawks, for what it's worth.) The vast majority of our picks didn't stick around long enough to learn their names. On the teams we had in the 20-oughts and the mid-teens that's even worse.
Originally posted by Jeepzilla:
Originally posted by RTFirefly:
Originally posted by Sickaa:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
People can complain about using a 4th on a punter alm they want. But Wish was an improvement on our punting game and I think he still has a bit of upside we havent seen yet.
Yeah, I don't see the point In complaining over a 4th round pick tbh.
The 49ers got exactly one (that's 1) career Pro Bowl appearance (Pro Bowl, not the more exclusive All-Pro) out of our previous 20 years worth of 4th round picks. (Michael Robinson did go on to get two with the Seahawks, for what it's worth.) The vast majority of our picks didn't stick around long enough to learn their names. On the teams we had in the 20-oughts and the mid-teens that's even worse.
We should just give our 4ths away to other teams since they've been of no use to us.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
This net stuff is becoming a tired excuse for wasting a 4th on him and trying to make him seem more than he is. It has already been covered, but are you also taking into account where he was punting it from? Unless you think our offense wasn't moving the ball all season. If he was top 15 when punting from inside our own 25 or so, then okay I'd be impressed. What he did this season was nothing special at all, not what you would expect from a 4th round pick. Then his kickoffs were just added salt cause it was straight up awful. I tried convincing myself that we took him for his running abilities on 4th down fakes or something, then as NC stated, p***y happened and we didn't even try NOT ONCE ALL SEASON!! I mean as a fan I hope he improves of course, but 27 year old rookie, I wouldn't hold my breath on that improvement being much.
This. It's nothing against him. He seems like a great guy and he'll get better. It's more about the unnecessary pressure of panicking and picking him in the 4th and putting unnecessary expectations on him and the fans to justify pretty average production (26th by PFF). Clearly they forgot about assessing his kick off abilities and haven't even tried him on a fake. That's on the FO and coaching staff more than him. He's just trying to do a good job. He'll be alright.
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by Sickaa:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
People can complain about using a 4th on a punter alm they want. But Wish was an improvement on our punting game and I think he still has a bit of upside we havent seen yet.
Yeah, I don't see the point In complaining over a 4th round pick tbh.
It's pretty simple actually. Most 4th round picks are left overs of 3 previous rounds so therefore your getting the 8th CB on your board or the 11th receiver on your board. But a punter you are getting the first choice in the draft at that position therefore he better be the best in the draft and he wasnt he was on par with the other punters therefore it's a questionable pick. I personally hate it and think it was dumb. But we went to the super bowl so no matter how much I hate the pick the FO is doing something right.
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:Originally posted by NCommand:Originally posted by 49ers808:This net stuff is becoming a tired excuse for wasting a 4th on him and trying to make him seem more than he is. It has already been covered, but are you also taking into account where he was punting it from? Unless you think our offense wasn't moving the ball all season. If he was top 15 when punting from inside our own 25 or so, then okay I'd be impressed. What he did this season was nothing special at all, not what you would expect from a 4th round pick. Then his kickoffs were just added salt cause it was straight up awful. I tried convincing myself that we took him for his running abilities on 4th down fakes or something, then as NC stated, p***y happened and we didn't even try NOT ONCE ALL SEASON!! I mean as a fan I hope he improves of course, but 27 year old rookie, I wouldn't hold my breath on that improvement being much.
This. It's nothing against him. He seems like a great guy and he'll get better. It's more about the unnecessary pressure of panicking and picking him in the 4th and putting unnecessary expectations on him and the fans to justify pretty average production (26th by PFF). Clearly they forgot about assessing his kick off abilities and haven't even tried him on a fake. That's on the FO and coaching staff more than him. He's just trying to do a good job. He'll be alright.
I definitely agree here. However, I do think some of the complaints are overstated. To bring up his average yards per punt, but not mention the punt yards for our team (when the two go hand in hand) is failing to look at the whole picture. Though this could've been covered earlier, but what was the average starting field position for teams against our defense? Given that our offense usually moved the ball pretty well and did so often (very few three and outs, especially early in the season), I wouldn't have expected big numbers in terms of average yards per punt. Considering how well our offense moves the ball, we should be looking at how often our teams starting drives inside their 20, 10, and 5 yard lines. I'm not saying that Wish is great at any of these because there were times where I thought we were going to pin teams within the 5 and it didn't happen, but there is more to look at regarding punters.
Originally posted by LasVegasWally:Bradley Pinion averaged 43.7 yards per punt, and 32% of Pinion's punts landed inside of the 20-yard line. Wishnowsky averaged 44.9 yards per punt while 44% of his punts landed inside the 20. There isn't much of an argument here. The 49ers improved in the area they wanted to. Force teams to drive the length of the field against your historic pass-rush. The plan worked out well.
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Actually i am kind of partial to WISH dropping those multi punts on the 15 or inside where they were NOT returned . Stats, and net stats...don't always tell the tale. His first yr in the NFL...i just look forward to his improvement this yr. Also i still haven't seen the "grubber", the punt that is kicked while running and runs along the ground like a point after touchdown in the air. Perhaps i have the name wrong but somebody from OZ land will help me out.
Also there were a couple obvious "knucklers" that were muffed by punt returners. Watching those suckers come down is really a sight to see. It probably takes some distance off the punt but it sure as heck is tough to field. Would love to see more of those...if he kicked every one of his punts like that it wouldn't hurt my feelings. I know WISH has more tricks in his bag...i would just like to see them more often.
Who knows, it may be kyle's Call, but still, i'd Love to see more of what WISH has.
