Mitch Wishnowsky - Punter (Utah) is a 49er

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

Originally posted by JasonKraft:

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/player-stat/punting-plays

Looks like Dickson came in at #6 and Wish came in at 24th. Not sure that's what Lynch had in mind or envisioned when he traded up for s punter but s**t happens.

he can tackle like a FS though......
Pinion was #26 on that list.

Well, he is cheaper. LOL

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by captveg:

Wish doesn't have to be the greatest punter of all time. He had a real solid year on a team where he wasn't asked to do too much. IIRC he caused at least one muffed punt with a style kick. It was two years ago now for heaven's sake. How many 4th round picks make it to year three anyway? Just let it go.

That's the whole problem bro, you can get not the greatest of all time and solid year undrafted from Punters.

This team doesn't draft on value. It values "getting our guy" and that can be costly even when it works out.

Yup this is exactly right

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

Originally posted by JasonKraft:

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/player-stat/punting-plays

Looks like Dickson came in at #6 and Wish came in at 24th. Not sure that's what Lynch had in mind or envisioned when he traded up for s punter but s**t happens.

he can tackle like a FS though......
Pinion was #26 on that list.

Well, he is cheaper. LOL

What kind of weird ass ranking system is this anyways? As far as value goes, cant bank on the fact that your offer se is going to be top 5. That lowered Wish' value but in a positive way. Hes still top 10 for punts inside the 20 which is basically his job so save some money and he does what he needs to do.

Well i am assuming that everyone watched last year.

the problem with all these "rankings" is opportunity.

you could have Barry Sanders in the back field, and if you throw the ball 50 times a game, its going to limit his productivity. That doesn't make some random 4 yard a carry back better then him because he ran the ball 300 times that year.

With Punters its even more so, since the worst the offense the more likely they are to banging out long distance punts.

Mitch was top 10 in punts inside the 20 with only 3 of 30 attempts going for a touch back.

To top that off Mitch does more then just punt, he does kick offs. San Fransico was top 5. Minus touch backs San Fransico had most teams starting at the 20 and half yard line.

Not a bad rookie campaign.

I still can't stand this pick. 4th and other late round picks have been Gold for this team. Kittle, Greenlaw, DJ Jones, etc. Can't believe they wasted on an old, weak legged, below average punter. Nothing about him impressed me last year. Infact there were undrafted punters that ate his lunch last year. I doubt he's getting any better/stronger. Dude's already in his late twenties.

Of all the players drafted by Shanny/Lynch, this one really annoys me.

Originally posted by irief:

I still can't stand this pick. 4th and other late round picks have been Gold for this team. Kittle, Greenlaw, DJ Jones, etc. Can't believe they wasted on an old, weak legged, below average punter. Nothing about him impressed me last year. Infact there were undrafted punters that ate his lunch last year. I doubt he's getting any better/stronger. Dude's already in his late twenties.

Of all the players drafted by Shanny/Lynch, this one really annoys me.

He's the same age as Jimmy G. As a rookie lol and people still defend this pick. Sigh

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by captveg:

Wish doesn't have to be the greatest punter of all time. He had a real solid year on a team where he wasn't asked to do too much. IIRC he caused at least one muffed punt with a style kick. It was two years ago now for heaven's sake. How many 4th round picks make it to year three anyway? Just let it go.

That's the whole problem bro, you can get not the greatest of all time and solid year undrafted from Punters.

This team doesn't draft on value. It values "getting our guy" and that can be costly even when it works out.

Yup this is exactly right

But when you have 6 year contracts, "getting our guy" is eventually going to accomplish the same goal. Haha

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by irief:

I still can't stand this pick. 4th and other late round picks have been Gold for this team. Kittle, Greenlaw, DJ Jones, etc. Can't believe they wasted on an old, weak legged, below average punter. Nothing about him impressed me last year. Infact there were undrafted punters that ate his lunch last year. I doubt he's getting any better/stronger. Dude's already in his late twenties.

Of all the players drafted by Shanny/Lynch, this one really annoys me.

He's the same age as Jimmy G. As a rookie lol and people still defend this pick. Sigh

So you guys think players hit their ceiling as a rookie?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by captveg:

Wish doesn't have to be the greatest punter of all time. He had a real solid year on a team where he wasn't asked to do too much. IIRC he caused at least one muffed punt with a style kick. It was two years ago now for heaven's sake. How many 4th round picks make it to year three anyway? Just let it go.

That's the whole problem bro, you can get not the greatest of all time and solid year undrafted from Punters.

This team doesn't draft on value. It values "getting our guy" and that can be costly even when it works out.

Yup this is exactly right

But when you have 6 year contracts, "getting our guy" is eventually going to accomplish the same goal. Haha

Too bad it won't be the same goal as yours with IOL day 1 or maybe even day 2 of their drafts

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by captveg:

Wish doesn't have to be the greatest punter of all time. He had a real solid year on a team where he wasn't asked to do too much. IIRC he caused at least one muffed punt with a style kick. It was two years ago now for heaven's sake. How many 4th round picks make it to year three anyway? Just let it go.

That's the whole problem bro, you can get not the greatest of all time and solid year undrafted from Punters.

This team doesn't draft on value. It values "getting our guy" and that can be costly even when it works out.

Yup this is exactly right

But when you have 6 year contracts, "getting our guy" is eventually going to accomplish the same goal. Haha

They are basically writing the book right now on building a super bowl contender by targeting players that fit the system. Probably part of why so many late round picks have worked out. Forget BPA, this is BFA (best fit available). And it's working thank god.

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by captveg:

Wish doesn't have to be the greatest punter of all time. He had a real solid year on a team where he wasn't asked to do too much. IIRC he caused at least one muffed punt with a style kick. It was two years ago now for heaven's sake. How many 4th round picks make it to year three anyway? Just let it go.

That's the whole problem bro, you can get not the greatest of all time and solid year undrafted from Punters.

This team doesn't draft on value. It values "getting our guy" and that can be costly even when it works out.

Yup this is exactly right

But when you have 6 year contracts, "getting our guy" is eventually going to accomplish the same goal. Haha

Too bad it won't be the same goal as yours with IOL day 1 or maybe even day 2 of their drafts

They got their eye on a sweeeeet journeyman guard that's started a handful of games (poorly) but is versatile for next year. Lynch may even bring Person back just to mess with NC

Originally posted by walker807:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by irief:

I still can't stand this pick. 4th and other late round picks have been Gold for this team. Kittle, Greenlaw, DJ Jones, etc. Can't believe they wasted on an old, weak legged, below average punter. Nothing about him impressed me last year. Infact there were undrafted punters that ate his lunch last year. I doubt he's getting any better/stronger. Dude's already in his late twenties.

Of all the players drafted by Shanny/Lynch, this one really annoys me.

He's the same age as Jimmy G. As a rookie lol and people still defend this pick. Sigh

So you guys think players hit their ceiling as a rookie?

No but a rookie year at a position with minimal change is usually a good precursor of ones career such as kickers and punters. And when you factor in Mitchs age (currently 28) with his mediocre play spending a 4th rounder on him looks like it was a minor mistake.

Originally posted by irief:
I still can't stand this pick. 4th and other late round picks have been Gold for this team. Kittle, Greenlaw, DJ Jones, etc. Can't believe they wasted on an old, weak legged, below average punter. Nothing about him impressed me last year. Infact there were undrafted punters that ate his lunch last year. I doubt he's getting any better/stronger. Dude's already in his late twenties.

Of all the players drafted by Shanny/Lynch, this one really annoys me.

Since when do punters eat each other's lunch? lol

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by walker807:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by irief:

I still can't stand this pick. 4th and other late round picks have been Gold for this team. Kittle, Greenlaw, DJ Jones, etc. Can't believe they wasted on an old, weak legged, below average punter. Nothing about him impressed me last year. Infact there were undrafted punters that ate his lunch last year. I doubt he's getting any better/stronger. Dude's already in his late twenties.

Of all the players drafted by Shanny/Lynch, this one really annoys me.

He's the same age as Jimmy G. As a rookie lol and people still defend this pick. Sigh

So you guys think players hit their ceiling as a rookie?

No but a rookie year at a position with minimal change is usually a good precursor of ones career such as kickers and punters. And when you factor in Mitchs age (currently 28) with his mediocre play spending a 4th rounder on him looks like it was a minor mistake.

Minimal change? They asked him to handle kickoffs too. He just didnt need to punt a lot, that's a good thing btw. When he was asked to punt he was good at pinning teams inside the 20, that's also good btw. The other major job of a punter is to get hang time and prevent returns and TD's, he was one of the best in the league at that, once again...that's a good thing.

What exactly was it again that was mediocre? His age?

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
He's the same age as Jimmy G. As a rookie lol and people still defend this pick. Sigh

come backs to the question.

What 4th round pick do you think is better then him?

You are only lying to yourself if you think he was anything other then above average.

Football outsiders, who track average punts from average distances, then compare performance based on field position ranked Mitch as the 7th best punter in the league.

I personally tend to rate "return yards" more in to effect, Mitch had very few returnable balls last year and was one of the hardest punters to return on last year, that plus his bias for putting a ball out of play makes me think he was closer to the 5th best punter in the league. But again, Football outsiders looks at what the average punter would do being set up as well as Mitch was. Mitch very much benefited from a strong offense getting him to mid field with regularity, so football outsiders compares to what the average punter would do on in similar situations. Then ranks ALL punters based on their performance on like punts.

Ill give them that, we tend to judge Mitch based on the whole of the team, but according to football outsiders, there are 6 other punters who could out perform him (mostly to a slight degree). When you factor slight degrees of separation from most of the top 5 performers with his rookie salary, and handling kick off duties..... yea.... Mitch was a great pick.