Mitch Wishnowsky - Punter (Utah) is a 49er

Andy Lee's rookie year average punt yard - 41.6
Mitch W's rookie year - 44.9

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by irief:

Originally posted by 49erF90:

Originally posted by irief:

Originally posted by walker807:

Originally posted by irief:

Originally posted by walker807:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by walker807:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by irief:
I still can't stand this pick. 4th and other late round picks have been Gold for this team. Kittle, Greenlaw, DJ Jones, etc. Can't believe they wasted on an old, weak legged, below average punter. Nothing about him impressed me last year. Infact there were undrafted punters that ate his lunch last year. I doubt he's getting any better/stronger. Dude's already in his late twenties.

Of all the players drafted by Shanny/Lynch, this one really annoys me.

He's the same age as Jimmy G. As a rookie lol and people still defend this pick. Sigh

So you guys think players hit their ceiling as a rookie?

No but a rookie year at a position with minimal change is usually a good precursor of ones career such as kickers and punters. And when you factor in Mitchs age (currently 28) with his mediocre play spending a 4th rounder on him looks like it was a minor mistake.

Minimal change? They asked him to handle kickoffs too. He just didnt need to punt a lot, that's a good thing btw. When he was asked to punt he was good at pinning teams inside the 20, that's also good btw. The other major job of a punter is to get hang time and prevent returns and TD's, he was one of the best in the league at that, once again...that's a good thing.

What exactly was it again that was mediocre? His age?

He sucked as a holder and contributed to missed points. He sucked in kick offs with his weak noodle leg. His punts were mediocre at best, with plenty of shanks. Dudes almost 30, which is a joke.

Plenty of shanks

Medicare Mitch will be Mediocre at best. Needs to really dedicate himself to even have a chance at mediocre. Waste of a pick. Should've been a mid season walk on, not a 4th.

He's better than the one he replaced, yeah? And cheaper? And we won with him as our punter? That's good enough for me!

I think the phrase you're looking for is in spite of. As in we won games in spite of aarp Mitch.

Wonder if he uses a jitter bug to call the grand kids back in Crapstralia?

So, irief, so far you have called Mitch names, and alluded to where he is from as "Crapstralia" (degrading his homeland), so it is safe to assume you don't like him. Ok, why? There must be something you don't like about him dropping his punts between the 15 and 20 right at OOB marker. Maybe you don't like the fact that unlike any other punter in the NFL, he can tackle like an Abrams tank. Just once but it alerted the opponents PR teams to be on the lookout for a guy who can clean the PR's clock. What exactly is it that is your beef with Mitch....and name calling won't get it. Medicare Mitch sounds like you think he's too old ? What is it?

Maybe you haven't taken the time to go on U tube and look at one of his 49er punter workouts, where he displays , amongst others, the Grubber and the Wobbler. Been a yr or so since i watched that but there are others. If there is a question, it is our ST coach or kyle, who haven't taken advantage of what this talented kicker has to offer. And the fact that a lot of his punts don't get returned...well, what more could you ask? Two, three , yrs ago, we had an O that couldn't move the ball. (Except for JimmyGs first 5 starts here). Last yr we moved it up and down the field... a lot. Point is, if Mitch unloads on a punt it is out of the EZ. But he virtually never is kicking from much past the 50 yd line, so his punts will end up averaging less distance. If that is what this is about , well, maybe brushing up on punting philosophy might change your view of our punter.

And as far as being from Crapastralia, what is that about? Why run down a guy's country...especially one of the USA's greatest allies? As for his FOOTBALL prowess, did you by chance miss his demolishing the PR the one game where there was a good return on the punt? That was a tackle you NEVER see by a punter. Please elucidate for us what it is you obviously don't like about Mitch and his punting. Insulting him is not an answer to the question.

Mitch doesn't need anybody to defend him. If this is about avg length of punts, then you are ignoring where his punts have pinned the opponents. That is a lot more important than 3 or 4 more yds /punt.

it's just some troll acting like a c**t. nothing to see, move along.

Originally posted by 49erF90:

Andy Lee's rookie year average punt yard - 41.6
Mitch W's rookie year - 44.9

Yards are such a misleading stat for punter though. Good teams play on shorter fields, Wish isn't expected to boom kicks out of the teams own endzone like Andy was during some of his pro bowl years. And I dont neccesarily think this means Wish was better than Lee as a rookie either. I look at punts inside the 20 and how good teams return said punts. If your punter is giving up long returns, who cares how far he can kick it.

Originally posted by walker807:

Originally posted by 49erF90:
Andy Lee's rookie year average punt yard - 41.6
Mitch W's rookie year - 44.9

Yards are such a misleading stat for punter though. Good teams play on shorter fields, Wish isn't expected to boom kicks out of the teams own endzone like Andy was during some of his pro bowl years. And I dont neccesarily think this means Wish was better than Lee as a rookie either. I look at punts inside the 20 and how good teams return said punts. If your punter is giving up long returns, who cares how far he can kick it.

But even punts inside the 20 can be misleading since some punters get more opportunities to attempt a coffin corner kick where they try to place it near the endzone without a touchback. There has to be some sort of an efficiency number. If punting at midfield or closer, then what is his success rate at putting it inside the 20? Inside the 10?

Then when punting around your own 40 yard line (or farther), how far can the punter boom it.

Thx for that F90. Also a note that is no secret. The difference of 2 yds or 3 yds distance gives you the longest punts. But it is where the opponents start their drive from that is THE most important fact, whether kept track of or not. And Mitch routinely leaves them in between the 15 and 20 yd line. So the difference of 2 or 3 yds makes little difference. But leaving the opponents pinned inside the 20...or 15 yd line...that is what matters. Incidentally, someone posted that Mitch had two shanks last yr. yeah, it happens, but it didn't hurt us.

Also with mitch's Hang time which is really spectacular(really high punts), the 9ers ST can get downfield not much after the ball is caught, if not before...which also keeps opponents pinned inside the 20..or 15. And if you find Mitch's kicks on U tube, wait til you see the "wobbler"coming down. It is a fright to try and catch that sucker. Very easy to fumble.

Oddly, kyle nor the ST coach have asked Mitch to use his specialty punts at all, or if so, a tiny bit. I wish kyle would take more advantage of that. Running horizontal to LOS on 4th down, and seeing that Grubber kick, is something else. How the heck he can get that kick off is beyond me. You need special indications (yardage, where was LOS, who is PR, etc) for that kick .

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by walker807:

Originally posted by 49erF90:

Andy Lee's rookie year average punt yard - 41.6
Mitch W's rookie year - 44.9

Yards are such a misleading stat for punter though. Good teams play on shorter fields, Wish isn't expected to boom kicks out of the teams own endzone like Andy was during some of his pro bowl years. And I dont neccesarily think this means Wish was better than Lee as a rookie either. I look at punts inside the 20 and how good teams return said punts. If your punter is giving up long returns, who cares how far he can kick it.

But even punts inside the 20 can be misleading since some punters get more opportunities to attempt a coffin corner kick where they try to place it near the endzone without a touchback. There has to be some sort of an efficiency number. If punting at midfield or closer, then what is his success rate at putting it inside the 20? Inside the 10?

Then when punting around your own 40 yard line (or farther), how far can the punter boom it.

Agree, these need to be weighted on expectations. Punts inside your own EZ, punters who double on kick offs, those who double as holders for PK's, expected punts inside the 20, inside the 10, fakes, onsides success, etc.

It would be nice if all these could be factored in together.

Originally posted by thl408:
But even punts inside the 20 can be misleading since some punters get more opportunities to attempt a coffin corner kick where they try to place it near the endzone without a touchback. There has to be some sort of an efficiency number. If punting at midfield or closer, then what is his success rate at putting it inside the 20? Inside the 10?

Then when punting around your own 40 yard line (or farther), how far can the punter boom it.

Check out football outsiders, they actually do a ranking.

Ill see if i can find the link again because their website is a mess, but in a nut shell they compare the actual punt to what the average is from that area then rank the punter based on what the average punter can perform from that area. Its almost like the Value added basketball stat.

I know i look at the actual punts the 49ers made and give Wish a ton of credit, so i don't really agree with Football Outsiders score on him. I think he is top 5, they think he is the 7th best punter in the NFL.....either way we are splitting hairs.

No one can watch the NFL, understand what punters do, then come back and say Wish sucked. Regardless of what you covet from a punter, there is no way to look at what he has done and come back with anything other then his total package was above average. Even his absolute worst statisitc his average, it is with in a yard or so of average. When you factor in yardage allowed per punt, touch back percentage versus return percentage inside 20 yards and just raw success rate from the 50.....its better then Andy Lee's career averages.

Banging Wish on his yardage is like Banging Montana on his yardage because it does not match Brett Farve then ignoring Montana was significantly safer and more accurate with the ball. Wish is not the best finesse punter in the league, but for a rookie campaign its good stuff.

Its just trolls....ignore them.

Originally posted by irief:
Medicare Mitch! Social Security Mitch! AARP Mitch! Senior discount Mitch! All have good rings to them. Lol

I hope you get over your obvious disdain for this pick. Why such vitriol on such an insignificant position? Did you lose a bet on him something because concentrating so much hate is unhealthy. Especially when he single handedly took us to the superbowl.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by walker807:

Originally posted by 49erF90:

Andy Lee's rookie year average punt yard - 41.6
Mitch W's rookie year - 44.9

Yards are such a misleading stat for punter though. Good teams play on shorter fields, Wish isn't expected to boom kicks out of the teams own endzone like Andy was during some of his pro bowl years. And I dont neccesarily think this means Wish was better than Lee as a rookie either. I look at punts inside the 20 and how good teams return said punts. If your punter is giving up long returns, who cares how far he can kick it.

But even punts inside the 20 can be misleading since some punters get more opportunities to attempt a coffin corner kick where they try to place it near the endzone without a touchback. There has to be some sort of an efficiency number. If punting at midfield or closer, then what is his success rate at putting it inside the 20? Inside the 10?

Then when punting around your own 40 yard line (or farther), how far can the punter boom it.

Agree, these need to be weighted on expectations. Punts inside your own EZ, punters who double on kick offs, those who double as holders for PK's, expected punts inside the 20, inside the 10, fakes, onsides success, etc.

It would be nice if all these could be factored in together.

That would be nice. If you can boom a 55-60 yarder inside the 20, that's immense value. Love to see more stuff like that.

Hope this dude is working on strengthening that chicken 🍗 of his.

Originally posted by MrGriz:

it's just some troll acting like a c**t. nothing to see, move along.

You guys aren't factoring his draft position and age to say he was good. Of all the stralias it's truly the crappiest to produce his old rookie a**.

Originally posted by jimrat:

Hope this dude is working on strengthening that chicken 🍗 of his.

Agreed. It's like saying Solly's a decent rotational player so he shouldn't be criticized. He's a bust for his draft position. At least Solly's young and has a chance for improvement (doubt it), unlike grandpa Mitch.
Horrible pick. Shan/lynch were probably enamored with the Seahawks Dickson pick. Mitch can't carry Dicksons jock.

Originally posted by irief:

Originally posted by jimrat:

Hope this dude is working on strengthening that chicken 🍗 of his.

Agreed. It's like saying Solly's a decent rotational player so he shouldn't be criticized. He's a bust for his draft position. At least Solly's young and has a chance for improvement (doubt it), unlike grandpa Mitch.
Horrible pick. Shan/lynch were probably enamored with the Seahawks Dickson pick. Mitch can't carry Dicksons jock.

Irief, you are just making negative statements about a player and not backing it up with any facts. We call that trolling and that is what posters get set down for. You got facts, then it isn't trolling. But you are just making making negative comments with no facts. Any more of that and you will get set down...no more posting for awhile and a warning. Right now you are trolling. Any more and you will be done for awhile.

I won't ever forgive Wish for burning the image of a kangaroo burning while holding o to a fence terminator style. Not s**t I wanted to see and I regret clicking the link in his twitter.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Irief, you are just making negative statements about a player and not backing it up with any facts. We call that trolling and that is what posters get set down for. You got facts, then it isn't trolling. But you are just making making negative comments with no facts. Any more of that and you will get set down...no more posting for awhile and a warning. Right now you are trolling. Any more and you will be done for awhile.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Irief, you are just making negative statements about a player and not backing it up with any facts. We call that trolling and that is what posters get set down for. You got facts, then it isn't trolling. But you are just making making negative comments with no facts. Any more of that and you will get set down...no more posting for awhile and a warning. Right now you are trolling. Any more and you will be done for awhile.

Not sure why you say trolling when plenty of posters agree he wasn't a good pick for in the 4th. He ranked 24th in gross punt average and 22 in pinning within 20 yd line according to off. These are abysmal numbers for an almost 30year old punter taken in the 4th rd. We're not talking about a 20 year old mid season walk on.
Not to mention he only had 49 touchbacks on kickoffs, which also illustrates his weak leg, and this is painfully obvious from watching games. He struggled as a holder on field goals also. Gould's struggles were in part due to Mitch from watching the games, although tough to see this in metrics alone.

Just making reasonable observations.

Btw, I didn't see u give any warnings when I was called names (c*nt) earlier.