Mitch Wishnowsky - Punter (Utah) is a 49er

Originally posted by KeepRabbitsOut:

Originally posted by Oilcan:

Originally posted by KeepRabbitsOut:

Fun fact while I'm on this bandwagon.
Pinion has had 36 kick offs and 33 were touch backs. of the 3 that were returned the average is 39.7 yards.
Wish has had 30 kick offs and 18 were touch backs. of the 12 that were returned the average is 22.4 yards.

I see a lot of criticism of Mitch not getting the ball through the end zone and maybe it is warranted, but it seems our ST guys have it under control.

Just curious what percentage of his punts are returned and where does he rank in that category ?

9 of his 20 were returned ranking 12th in number and 21st in percentage least returned.

Thanks that's not bad

Originally posted by KeepRabbitsOut:

Would you use the same metric for the Pats pick in the 5th of that draft?

Bro, the Aussie bias is strong. You've been campaigning pretty hard for Mitch, but even you have to admit he's not worth a 4th. We wouldn't be having this debate if he was undrafted. Most would be OK with his performance then.

Same with Solly. There would a fraction of the posts about him if he was picked much later.

Originally posted by irief:

Dude was an atrocious pick in the 4th. You don't take a punter that high unless he's obviously going to be an all time great. Mitch's level of play right now is at an undrafted free agent, which is what he should've been. Especially at his age. Unless he starts making probowls, the pick was an all time head scratcher.

This is silly because even if one believes this with a prospect, there are zero guarantees and no such thing as a safe pick at any position.

Originally posted by irief:

Originally posted by KeepRabbitsOut:
Would you use the same metric for the Pats pick in the 5th of that draft?

Bro, the Aussie bias is strong. You've been campaigning pretty hard for Mitch, but even you have to admit he's not worth a 4th. We wouldn't be having this debate if he was undrafted. Most would be OK with his performance then.

Same with Solly. There would a fraction of the posts about him if he was picked much later.

Yeah I have some connection however the bias is non existent except that he is a player I had been following from college. There are others I like better. No campaign since he is already on the team as long as he performs good enough for the team. If you read most of my posts it is based on facts and I am just as hard on him as most considered posters.
I know it is the zone but of course the questionable emphasis in the pick position is laughable. Brady in the 5th anyone. But seriously it makes for a good convo over a BBQ.
As I have stated plenty of times I do agree that I would have liked to see more from him and Solly.

Originally posted by KeepRabbitsOut:

Yeah I have some connection however the bias is non existent except that he is a player I had been following from college. There are others I like better. No campaign since he is already on the team as long as he performs good enough for the team. If you read most of my posts it is based on facts and I am just as hard on him as most considered posters.
I know it is the zone but of course the questionable emphasis in the pick position is laughable. Brady in the 5th anyone. But seriously it makes for a good convo over a BBQ.
As I have stated plenty of times I do agree that I would have liked to see more from him and Solly.

What does Brady have to do with Mitch?

Originally posted by irief:
What does Brady have to do with Mitch?

LOL. Well, you mentioned his draft position and expected contribution. it has been discussed many times. Brady was picked at a lower draft position. My point is that it's a crap shoot unless perhaps you are Bellichick. Bellichick might have picked up Mitch as low in the draft as possible if Lynch didn't. He did take Bailey in the 5th in the same draft. There is that.

Originally posted by KeepRabbitsOut:

Originally posted by irief:

What does Brady have to do with Mitch?

LOL. Well, you mentioned his draft position and expected contribution. it has been discussed many times. Brady was picked at a lower draft position. My point is that it's a crap shoot unless perhaps you are Bellichick. Bellichick might have picked up Mitch as low in the draft as possible if Lynch didn't. He did take Bailey in the 5th in the same draft. There is that.

And that is the second time Bill has drafted a Punter in round 5 for the Pats. Also has spent a 5th on a long snapper too.

Originally posted by evil:

And that is the second time Bill has drafted a Punter in round 5 for the Pats. Also has spent a 5th on a long snapper too.

None of this justifies using a fourth on a 30 year old mediocre punter. I could understand if Mitch was making national headlines in college and talked about as one of the greatest punters college football had seen in twenty years, but he wasn't that. Rule of thumb is you don't spend draft picks on punters, unless they're almost sure fire pobowlers. Andy Lee would be one who did justify his selection, and Mitch is no Andy so far.

I have my connections with Oz as well, but even I'm not that biased.

Any word on why Wish hasn't been kicking off today?

Originally posted by irief:

Originally posted by evil:
And that is the second time Bill has drafted a Punter in round 5 for the Pats. Also has spent a 5th on a long snapper too.

None of this justifies using a fourth on a 30 year old mediocre punter. I could understand if Mitch was making national headlines in college and talked about as one of the greatest punters college football had seen in twenty years, but he wasn't that. Rule of thumb is you don't spend draft picks on punters, unless they're almost sure fire pobowlers. Andy Lee would be one who did justify his selection, and Mitch is no Andy so far.

I have my connections with Oz as well, but even I'm not that biased.

OK mate. They picked a 30 yo? Did not know that.
Are you saying evil is biased?
Is this rule a thing that the Pats GM routinely ignores?
Please read my posts properly in future since I like other players better and am not biased. The guy is from WA which might as well be India.
But I will call out or question something I see as unwarranted on a subject I can comment on.
or rather just celebrate being a fan of this team. Go Niners!!

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Any word on why Wish hasn't been kicking off today?

Was just going to post this

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
Any word on why Wish hasn't been kicking off today?

It was concerning from the time Gould tried that awful onside kick.
Maybe they just don't feel that he can kick it through the end zone all the time.......but Gould is worse.
Either that or his 30 yo body has a niggle and wasnt worth risking his punt ability.
Kick offs are generally a sideways motion in comparison to punting.
But without Wish on kick offs they are down one good tackler. So must be serious.

"We had a number of teams we felt were interested in adding a punter, and felt like he had distances himself in the fact that he kicks off and he's a very good holder as well. So all those things fit into the puzzle" -- GM John Lynch on why the 49ers selected Wishnowsky in the fourth round.

"The hard thing you have to figure out with him, everybody knows he's the best punter in the draft, and when is he going to go? You always want to take that as late as possible. You'd love to do it in the seventh, but I promise you we wouldn't have gotten him if we tried to do it in the fifth. The Patriots traded up to take the next guy" -- 49ers coach Kyle Shanahan.

"You have guys who have the ability with the big leg but don't have the hang time. He has a rare ability to hit it deep but also with elite hang time. So he's kind of a combination that you look for. He's a real good prospect, and that's a big deal. I think people saw last year with (Michael) Dickson up there in Seattle. He really benefitted their team. And we felt like this guy was that type of prospect" -- Lynch.

He was a second-team All-American and first-team All-Pac-12 punter as a senior He averaged 45.2-yard average. Wishnowsky forced 25 fair catches on his 59 punts and placed 24 kicks inside the 20.

Originally posted by irief:

None of this justifies using a fourth on a 30 year old mediocre punter. I could understand if Mitch was making national headlines in college and talked about as one of the greatest punters college football had seen in twenty years, but he wasn't that. Rule of thumb is you don't spend draft picks on punters, unless they're almost sure fire pobowlers. Andy Lee would be one who did justify his selection, and Mitch is no Andy so far.

I have my connections with Oz as well, but even I'm not that biased.

Andy Lee's net avg for his first 3 years in the league :

2004 - 35.3
2005 - 36.6
2006 - 36.8

Wish :

2019 - 41.6
2020 - 42.4


Also Wish turned 28 in March.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by irief:
None of this justifies using a fourth on a 30 year old mediocre punter. I could understand if Mitch was making national headlines in college and talked about as one of the greatest punters college football had seen in twenty years, but he wasn't that. Rule of thumb is you don't spend draft picks on punters, unless they're almost sure fire pobowlers. Andy Lee would be one who did justify his selection, and Mitch is no Andy so far.

I have my connections with Oz as well, but even I'm not that biased.

Andy Lee's net avg for his first 3 years in the league :

2004 - 35.3
2005 - 36.6
2006 - 36.8

Wish :

2019 - 41.6
2020 - 42.4

Also Wish turned 28 in March.

Only had one Punt today, and I think we had another game where he didn't punt at all.