Mitch Wishnowsky - Punter (Utah) is a 49er

Worst draft pick of the Lynch era. Not the worst player just a terrible selection value wise.

Originally posted by jays9ers:
Worst draft pick of the Lynch era. Not the worst player just a terrible selection value wise.

I would love to see you rank all Lynch picks on value.

Great to see him punt and help force a turnover

GREAT year from Wishnowsky. Nailed this pick.

Originally posted by Goatie:

Great to see him punt and help force a turnover

That was an interesting punt formation they were in

Originally posted by jays9ers:

Worst draft pick of the Lynch era. Not the worst player just a terrible selection value wise.

Originally posted by jays9ers:

Worst draft pick of the Lynch era. Not the worst player just a terrible selection value wise.

Agree. Not sure where evil got Andy's numbers, but they seem low. I believe he was well over 40yds avg each year and an all pro by 2007 at 25 years old. Even then Andy wouldn't have been worth a 4th. No punter is. Bad value indeed. There are plenty of better udfa's/later round punters to be had.

Originally posted by KeepRabbitsOut:

Originally posted by jays9ers:

Worst draft pick of the Lynch era. Not the worst player just a terrible selection value wise.

I would love to see you rank all Lynch picks on value.

Would love to know your connection with the dude. We Aussies are a nationalistic bunch.

Originally posted by okdkid:

GREAT year from Wishnowsky. Nailed this pick.

This

Originally posted by irief:

Originally posted by KeepRabbitsOut:

Originally posted by jays9ers:
Worst draft pick of the Lynch era. Not the worst player just a terrible selection value wise.

I would love to see you rank all Lynch picks on value.

Would love to know your connection with the dude. We Aussies are a nationalistic bunch.

No more than following the Pro Kick guys and Ray Guy winners in college. He just happened to land on a team I follow.

I mentioned prior to that draft that there were 2 guys that they should look at to replace the sensational Pinion and good normal style punter in Andy Lee with, - Mitch or Bailey. From what was scouted Mitch was the number 1 pick. If Niners did not get him then the Pats would have. Hence the 4th round reach. Context is important. Just as much as someone evaluating a player based on one stat like average punt length.

I could be a band wagon type and follow the Seahawks because a superior punter in M Dickson is there but that's not me.
The nostalgia is accurate since I created a thread in the NFL section of the zone for Aussies and Kiwi players.

What I do like is his energy and typical Aussie attitude of "put it all on the line" that shows when he goes after the returner.

What I do not like is how the Special Teams are producing little to nothing special. Brilliantly coached is my guess notwithstanding depth issues.

I mean the guy runs fast and I would just like to see one trick play in the next 10 years. Is that too much to ask?

At least the great Andy Lee was able to run some fakes. And even pass for a first.

Look I like Mitch. I will root for him, but he is not worth a 4th rounder, and likely never will be. He is average and might even be good one day, but you never waste a 4th rounder on a punter. It's not Mitch vs. Andy or Pinion, it's Mitch vs. [Enter name of Center or Interior Guard].
I would rather have a good/starter lineman and an undrafted punter than the other way around. And even if Wish was a top 5 punter, the difference between average and good is what, 1.5 net avg yds? And the difference between a good lineman and a bad one is a Jimmy high ankle sprain.
And we can't keep bringing up that Pats would have gotten him. If they did, so what. Then we would be talking about the Pats drafting a Punter in the 4th round and not the Niners. Kyle, stop reaching for players!

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by irief:
None of this justifies using a fourth on a 30 year old mediocre punter. I could understand if Mitch was making national headlines in college and talked about as one of the greatest punters college football had seen in twenty years, but he wasn't that. Rule of thumb is you don't spend draft picks on punters, unless they're almost sure fire pobowlers. Andy Lee would be one who did justify his selection, and Mitch is no Andy so far.

I have my connections with Oz as well, but even I'm not that biased.

Andy Lee's net avg for his first 3 years in the league :

2004 - 35.3
2005 - 36.6
2006 - 36.8

Wish :

2019 - 41.6
2020 - 42.4

Also Wish turned 28 in March.

Excellent post evil!

Might I add, who's not as much a liabilty on kick-off coverage, if the return man breaks contain 🤔

Originally posted by Rice-a-Ronnie:

Look I like Mitch. I will root for him, but he is not worth a 4th rounder, and likely never will be. He is average and might even be good one day, but you never waste a 4th rounder on a punter. It's not Mitch vs. Andy or Pinion, it's Mitch vs. [Enter name of Center or Interior Guard].
I would rather have a good/starter lineman and an undrafted punter than the other way around. And even if Wish was a top 5 punter, the difference between average and good is what, 1.5 net avg yds? And the difference between a good lineman and a bad one is a Jimmy high ankle sprain.
And we can't keep bringing up that Pats would have gotten him. If they did, so what. Then we would be talking about the Pats drafting a Punter in the 4th round and not the Niners. Kyle, stop reaching for players!

That #22 from the Saints game could have been had instead of Mitch. But why get a younger better version of Jimmie Ward when we can have UDFA level punting. Yay

Back to our punter being our only pro bowler?

Originally posted by Rice-a-Ronnie:
Look I like Mitch. I will root for him, but he is not worth a 4th rounder, and likely never will be. He is average and might even be good one day, but you never waste a 4th rounder on a punter. It's not Mitch vs. Andy or Pinion, it's Mitch vs. [Enter name of Center or Interior Guard].
I would rather have a good/starter lineman and an undrafted punter than the other way around. And even if Wish was a top 5 punter, the difference between average and good is what, 1.5 net avg yds? And the difference between a good lineman and a bad one is a Jimmy high ankle sprain.
And we can't keep bringing up that Pats would have gotten him. If they did, so what. Then we would be talking about the Pats drafting a Punter in the 4th round and not the Niners. Kyle, stop reaching for players!

This is becoming a circular argument, but since you brought it up..

Can you explain the worth of a 4th rounder? The Pats comment was Lynch. They obviously wanted their guy and thought the price was worth it. I am just an arm chair GM like most in the webzone so I guess their career depends on it and we get to take pot shots at them.

You say the difference in punters is a minor net punt average. Some coaches are using other metrics as well to improve their teams such as passing ability, running ability, tackling, return %, inside 20%, punt variety and kick off ability. You can see this happening more frequently in college and NFL coaches are trying to adapt and figure how they can use these skills.

So picking a winner in the draft or UDFA in punters is probably tricky when scouts and coaches don't really fully understand the nuances that college to NFL create with these recently developed skillsets.

I do disagree with you on taking a good OL or whatever is going to be better than having a strong specialist. How often does assumed good 4th rounder turn in to poor or bad fit? A reach yes nut with Mitch the team gains a starter and improves the position. Keeping a vanilla shank artist like Pinion doesnt give you much upside and most UDFA punters are rarely better than him.