Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:
Back to our punter being our only pro bowler?
The Lions punter has a huge boot and our special teams unit is not good.
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Nov 16, 2020 at 6:07 AM
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The Lions punter has a huge boot and our special teams unit is not good.
Nov 16, 2020 at 6:20 AM
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Originally posted by Rice-a-Ronnie:Look I like Mitch. I will root for him, but he is not worth a 4th rounder, and likely never will be. He is average and might even be good one day, but you never waste a 4th rounder on a punter. It's not Mitch vs. Andy or Pinion, it's Mitch vs. [Enter name of Center or Interior Guard].
I would rather have a good/starter lineman and an undrafted punter than the other way around. And even if Wish was a top 5 punter, the difference between average and good is what, 1.5 net avg yds? And the difference between a good lineman and a bad one is a Jimmy high ankle sprain.
And we can't keep bringing up that Pats would have gotten him. If they did, so what. Then we would be talking about the Pats drafting a Punter in the 4th round and not the Niners. Kyle, stop reaching for players!
K give me the name of that Center or interior guard you would've taken.
Nov 16, 2020 at 9:42 AM
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Did you know in the last 10 years of the draft, only 5% of 4th rounders become pro bowlers??? Only 16% become average starters in the league. Everyone else sucks.
Lets put the whole 'Don't draft a punter in the 4th round" argument to rest.
Lets put the whole 'Don't draft a punter in the 4th round" argument to rest.
Nov 16, 2020 at 9:47 AM
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Originally posted by miked1978:
Did you know in the last 10 years of the draft, only 5% of 4th rounders become pro bowlers??? Only 16% become average starters in the league. Everyone else sucks.
Lets put the whole 'Don't draft a punter in the 4th round" argument to rest.
Agreed. I hate that whole argument. Wish has improved in only his 2nd season - he's having a good year and had another good game yesterday.
Nov 17, 2020 at 4:07 AM
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Originally posted by miked1978:Did you know in the last 10 years of the draft, only 5% of 4th rounders become pro bowlers??? Only 16% become average starters in the league. Everyone else sucks.
Lets put the whole 'Don't draft a punter in the 4th round" argument to rest.
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Nov 17, 2020 at 4:42 AM
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Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by Rice-a-Ronnie:
Look I like Mitch. I will root for him, but he is not worth a 4th rounder, and likely never will be. He is average and might even be good one day, but you never waste a 4th rounder on a punter. It's not Mitch vs. Andy or Pinion, it's Mitch vs. [Enter name of Center or Interior Guard].
I would rather have a good/starter lineman and an undrafted punter than the other way around. And even if Wish was a top 5 punter, the difference between average and good is what, 1.5 net avg yds? And the difference between a good lineman and a bad one is a Jimmy high ankle sprain.
And we can't keep bringing up that Pats would have gotten him. If they did, so what. Then we would be talking about the Pats drafting a Punter in the 4th round and not the Niners. Kyle, stop reaching for players!
That #22 from the Saints game could have been had instead of Mitch. But why get a younger better version of Jimmie Ward when we can have UDFA level punting. Yay
Because Aussies are just the best and you need to learn to deal with it
[ Edited by Goatie on Nov 17, 2020 at 4:42 AM ]
Nov 17, 2020 at 7:30 AM
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Originally posted by Hysterikal:
That #22 from the Saints game could have been had instead of Mitch. But why get a younger better version of Jimmie Ward when we can have UDFA level punting. Yay
Not defending Mitch but that #22 was the same guy they had their way with last year. He looked good because Kyle and Mullens didn't make adjustments.
Nov 17, 2020 at 8:22 AM
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Originally posted by northoakland510:Originally posted by Hysterikal:That #22 from the Saints game could have been had instead of Mitch. But why get a younger better version of Jimmie Ward when we can have UDFA level punting. Yay
Not defending Mitch but that #22 was the same guy they had their way with last year. He looked good because Kyle and Mullens didn't make adjustments.
CGJ was tasked with covering the best TE in football as a rookie. Yeah he took his lumps in that game but that's impressive that the coaching staff trusted him on Kittle as a rookie. I just think if we had drafted CGJ like many in the draft forum wanted we wouldn't have extended Ward and we would have a future stud S.
Nov 17, 2020 at 12:44 PM
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Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by northoakland510:
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
That #22 from the Saints game could have been had instead of Mitch. But why get a younger better version of Jimmie Ward when we can have UDFA level punting. Yay
Not defending Mitch but that #22 was the same guy they had their way with last year. He looked good because Kyle and Mullens didn't make adjustments.
CGJ was tasked with covering the best TE in football as a rookie. Yeah he took his lumps in that game but that's impressive that the coaching staff trusted him on Kittle as a rookie. I just think if we had drafted CGJ like many in the draft forum wanted we wouldn't have extended Ward and we would have a future stud S.
In my head I am watching the video of the draft room during this 4th round and see a slip of paper being handed to Lynch with the note saying " the zone is saying get that CGJ dude". Beads of sweat are now poring down his face as he says to Kyle "do you really want this punter scrub?" .
Nov 18, 2020 at 12:11 AM
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Taken in the 4th freakin round and still worst punter in NFC west. At least rabbito got himself a true blue Aussie drafted at niners expense.
No one would take him over Dickson, Hekker, or even Andy. All drafted later or undrafted. Fourth for long shanks, smh.
No one would take him over Dickson, Hekker, or even Andy. All drafted later or undrafted. Fourth for long shanks, smh.
Nov 18, 2020 at 12:48 AM
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Originally posted by irief:
Taken in the 4th freakin round and still worst punter in NFC west. At least rabbito got himself a true blue Aussie drafted at niners expense.
No one would take him over Dickson, Hekker, or even Andy. All drafted later or undrafted. Fourth for long shanks, smh.
Listen here sunshine, you either don't watch much football or you are an undercover seahawks fan with this kind of take. Or simply a troll. whatever it is go away you flea.... and before mods come at me this is typical aussie banter to one who says he is one.
Nov 18, 2020 at 8:07 AM
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Originally posted by irief:Taken in the 4th freakin round and still worst punter in NFC west. At least rabbito got himself a true blue Aussie drafted at niners expense.
No one would take him over Dickson, Hekker, or even Andy. All drafted later or undrafted. Fourth for long shanks, smh.
Current net averages :
Dickson 44.4
Wish 42.0
Lee 39. 8
Hekker 39.6
Nov 18, 2020 at 8:12 AM
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Originally posted by evil:Originally posted by irief:Taken in the 4th freakin round and still worst punter in NFC west. At least rabbito got himself a true blue Aussie drafted at niners expense.
No one would take him over Dickson, Hekker, or even Andy. All drafted later or undrafted. Fourth for long shanks, smh.
Current net averages :
Dickson 44.4
Wish 42.0
Lee 39. 8
Hekker 39.6
5th round pick
4th round pick
6th round pick
UDFA
Difference between them is 5 yards. Punters shouldn't be drafted.
Nov 18, 2020 at 8:27 AM
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Dickson salary 2020. 822,000Originally posted by Hysterikal:Originally posted by evil:Originally posted by irief:Taken in the 4th freakin round and still worst punter in NFC west. At least rabbito got himself a true blue Aussie drafted at niners expense.
No one would take him over Dickson, Hekker, or even Andy. All drafted later or undrafted. Fourth for long shanks, smh.
Current net averages :
Dickson 44.4
Wish 42.0
Lee 39. 8
Hekker 39.6
5th round pick
4th round pick
6th round pick
UDFA
Difference between them is 5 yards. Punters shouldn't be drafted.
Wish. 866,000
Lee. 2 million
Hekker. 4.6 million
Punters should be drafted unless you want to waste salary cap.
[ Edited by Izyniner on Nov 18, 2020 at 8:33 AM ]
Nov 18, 2020 at 8:29 AM
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Originally posted by Hysterikal:Originally posted by evil:Originally posted by irief:Taken in the 4th freakin round and still worst punter in NFC west. At least rabbito got himself a true blue Aussie drafted at niners expense.
No one would take him over Dickson, Hekker, or even Andy. All drafted later or undrafted. Fourth for long shanks, smh.
Current net averages :
Dickson 44.4
Wish 42.0
Lee 39. 8
Hekker 39.6
5th round pick
4th round pick
6th round pick
UDFA
Difference between them is 5 yards. Punters shouldn't be drafted.
This is an article from 2013 but it's something Phoenix and I both shared when this team drafted Pinion.
https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2013/2/21/4012156/nfl-draft-punters
Not everyone agrees with the philosophy I get that. One who does subscribe to it is Belichick, who has drafted a a punter twice (and a couple of LS' ers too). Bill Walsh also drafted 2 punters during his tenure as HC here.
Taking the chance to find a difference maker for your ST's unit in a game of inches is not a bad gamble given the hit percentage of picks from rounds 4-7.