Mitch Wishnowsky - Punter (Utah) is a 49er

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by irief:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Okay I'll entertain you. Cause you think you've actually proved anything in your mind.

Jack Fox came out same year as our punter went Undrafted didn't even play his rookie year. Literally any team could have signed him.

52.2 avg 47.7 net 5.3 average return

Let me guess your rebuttal is. Who else?

Agree with your points. Never seen anyone shill so hard for a punter before.

i guess you can have a higher avg when you don't cross the 50 that much

Detroit and SF are almost identical offensively except we have played 1 more game. Here's your L on the comment

what does identical offensively even mean

The offensive output is on average the same per game

That wouldn't prove anything. not even prove who has a longer field to punt on when punting. In two games combined this year we punted only once

In that game with one punt, we punted at our own 45 which was FC at the 10 to net a 45 punt. is that an awful punt ?

Short fields can't net longer punts is my point

I agree short fields can't net longer punts but our offense is average just like the lions. Well I don't watch any Lions games but both punters have 13 inside the 20 punts. Both teams average around 360 yards per game. I think it's reasonable to think Fox is getting the same average opportunities that Wish is.

Hang time would be a factor also.. wasn't mitch more of a hang time punter ?

Since we are not playing this weekend.. i'll add Jack to my watch list

Mt whole point is Jack was undrafted as well as the other punter I mentioned. They are putting up virtually identical statistics as our 4th round pick. I don't dislike our punter I dislike drafting any punter.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by irief:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Okay I'll entertain you. Cause you think you've actually proved anything in your mind.

Jack Fox came out same year as our punter went Undrafted didn't even play his rookie year. Literally any team could have signed him.

52.2 avg 47.7 net 5.3 average return

Let me guess your rebuttal is. Who else?

Agree with your points. Never seen anyone shill so hard for a punter before.

i guess you can have a higher avg when you don't cross the 50 that much

Detroit and SF are almost identical offensively except we have played 1 more game. Here's your L on the comment

what does identical offensively even mean

The offensive output is on average the same per game

That wouldn't prove anything. not even prove who has a longer field to punt on when punting. In two games combined this year we punted only once

In that game with one punt, we punted at our own 45 which was FC at the 10 to net a 45 punt. is that an awful punt ?

Short fields can't net longer punts is my point

I agree short fields can't net longer punts but our offense is average just like the lions. Well I don't watch any Lions games but both punters have 13 inside the 20 punts. Both teams average around 360 yards per game. I think it's reasonable to think Fox is getting the same average opportunities that Wish is.

Hang time would be a factor also.. wasn't mitch more of a hang time punter ?

Since we are not playing this weekend.. i'll add Jack to my watch list

Mt whole point is Jack was undrafted as well as the other punter I mentioned. They are putting up virtually identical statistics as our 4th round pick. I don't dislike our punter I dislike drafting any punter.

got it. if/when we leave from Mitch..i'm guessing we will probably go the UDFA route (if the FO learned anything)

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by irief:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Okay I'll entertain you. Cause you think you've actually proved anything in your mind.

Jack Fox came out same year as our punter went Undrafted didn't even play his rookie year. Literally any team could have signed him.

52.2 avg 47.7 net 5.3 average return

Let me guess your rebuttal is. Who else?

Agree with your points. Never seen anyone shill so hard for a punter before.

i guess you can have a higher avg when you don't cross the 50 that much

Detroit and SF are almost identical offensively except we have played 1 more game. Here's your L on the comment

what does identical offensively even mean

The offensive output is on average the same per game

That wouldn't prove anything. not even prove who has a longer field to punt on when punting. In two games combined this year we punted only once

In that game with one punt, we punted at our own 45 which was FC at the 10 to net a 45 punt. is that an awful punt ?

Short fields can't net longer punts is my point

I agree short fields can't net longer punts but our offense is average just like the lions. Well I don't watch any Lions games but both punters have 13 inside the 20 punts. Both teams average around 360 yards per game. I think it's reasonable to think Fox is getting the same average opportunities that Wish is.

Hang time would be a factor also.. wasn't mitch more of a hang time punter ?

Since we are not playing this weekend.. i'll add Jack to my watch list

Mt whole point is Jack was undrafted as well as the other punter I mentioned. They are putting up virtually identical statistics as our 4th round pick. I don't dislike our punter I dislike drafting any punter.

got it. if/when we leave from Mitch..i'm guessing we will probably go the UDFA route (if the FO learned anything)

Fingers crossed

Originally posted by irief:

Originally posted by evil:

Agreed.

Bottom line is you have made claims that Wish is no Andy Lee to date and that Wish was the worst punter in the NFC West and both of those claims were proven wrong with facts.

Also at least wait if he ever makes all pro before comparing him to Lee. Dude hasn't achieved anything yet.

Pro Bowls are not a measure of success, they are moreso a measure of popularity.

Wish is putting up better numbers in his first 3 years than Lee did at the same stretch of his career. That is not alternative or deceiving facts, the numbers don't lie.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by irief:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Okay I'll entertain you. Cause you think you've actually proved anything in your mind.

Jack Fox came out same year as our punter went Undrafted didn't even play his rookie year. Literally any team could have signed him.

52.2 avg 47.7 net 5.3 average return

Let me guess your rebuttal is. Who else?

Agree with your points. Never seen anyone shill so hard for a punter before.

i guess you can have a higher avg when you don't cross the 50 that much

Detroit and SF are almost identical offensively except we have played 1 more game. Here's your L on the comment

what does identical offensively even mean

The offensive output is on average the same per game

That wouldn't prove anything. not even prove who has a longer field to punt on when punting. In two games combined this year we punted only once

In that game with one punt, we punted at our own 45 which was FC at the 10 to net a 45 punt. is that an awful punt ?

Short fields can't net longer punts is my point

I agree short fields can't net longer punts but our offense is average just like the lions. Well I don't watch any Lions games but both punters have 13 inside the 20 punts. Both teams average around 360 yards per game. I think it's reasonable to think Fox is getting the same average opportunities that Wish is.

Hang time would be a factor also.. wasn't mitch more of a hang time punter ?

Since we are not playing this weekend.. i'll add Jack to my watch list

Mt whole point is Jack was undrafted as well as the other punter I mentioned. They are putting up virtually identical statistics as our 4th round pick. I don't dislike our punter I dislike drafting any punter.

got it. if/when we leave from Mitch..i'm guessing we will probably go the UDFA route (if the FO learned anything)

Fingers crossed

This right here.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by irief:

Originally posted by evil:

Agreed.

Bottom line is you have made claims that Wish is no Andy Lee to date and that Wish was the worst punter in the NFC West and both of those claims were proven wrong with facts.

Also at least wait if he ever makes all pro before comparing him to Lee. Dude hasn't achieved anything yet.

Pro Bowls are not a measure of success, they are moreso a measure of popularity.

Wish is putting up better numbers in his first 3 years than Lee did at the same stretch of his career. That is not alternative or deceiving facts, the numbers don't lie.

Where did u get your numbers? Stats I saw showed Lee averaging above 40 each of his first three years leading into all pro selection. Everyone watching games back then knew he was good from the beginning.

Originally posted by irief:
For a fourth he damn well be a HOF. Mute point if he was udfa. Side note, agree that evil could pick up some of your bogan charm! (Aussie banter).

This is where you let yourself down. Mitch may not be HOF but sure as heck ain't average.
My point is I think you are living in the past where traditional stats are all important and traditional punting is always vanilla and thus their status in the draft and league is always vanilla.
The occasional drafting of excellent punters (Bryan Anger-Texans) above players like Russell Wilson will always happen but the odds of striking gold lower in the draft is crazy.
I mean the same goes for finding gold in udfa punters. Hekker is one of those rare ones. A regular swiss army knife. At least the Rams were willing to let the guy fake the darn play. Game 10 in 2012 against us he completely embarrassed the niners throwing for a TD and faking twice for 40yards.
Interesting thing about Hekker though is that his worst year was in 2018 when Rams offense was playing lights out and they made a SB run. Mitch's rookie year was our SB run.

Fun fact that will excite Mr good grief - irief.

Saints current QB stats 6/13 for 119 yards, 1 INT. 46.6 QBR
Johnny Hekker career: 13/22 for 184 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT 82.4 QBR.

This game should make it obvious why Wish wasn't worth a fourth. Even Hekker, who ate his lunch, isn't worth a fourth. Fourth best punter in nfc west. He's an OK punter, but too many shanks/touch backs. You don't spend a fourth on OK.

Originally posted by irief:
This game should make it obvious why Wish wasn't worth a fourth. Even Hekker, who ate his lunch, isn't worth a fourth. Fourth best punter in nfc west. He's an OK punter, but too many shanks/touch backs. You don't spend a fourth on OK.

He's top 10 in the NFL on punt avg. I'd say he's doing very good. Certainly better than whatever backup CB, TE or OL we would have drafted and cut by now.

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by irief:
This game should make it obvious why Wish wasn't worth a fourth. Even Hekker, who ate his lunch, isn't worth a fourth. Fourth best punter in nfc west. He's an OK punter, but too many shanks/touch backs. You don't spend a fourth on OK.

He's top 10 in the NFL on punt avg. I'd say he's doing very good. Certainly better than whatever backup CB, TE or OL we would have drafted and cut by now.

That's right lol.

He had a good game today. Nice punt close to 60 yards from not far from our goal to their 30.

Originally posted by okdkid:

He's top 10 in the NFL on punt avg. I'd say he's doing very good. Certainly better than whatever backup CB, TE or OL we would have drafted and cut by now.

Even though none of us wanted to use a fourth on him, you are still right. Better than whatever backup we would of drafted. A ton of 4th rounders aren't even starters let alone still in the league or cut by the original team.

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by okdkid:

He's top 10 in the NFL on punt avg. I'd say he's doing very good. Certainly better than whatever backup CB, TE or OL we would have drafted and cut by now.

Even though none of us wanted to use a fourth on him, you are still right. Better than whatever backup we would of drafted. A ton of 4th rounders aren't even starters let alone still in the league or cut by the original team.

A quality backup at most other positions is still a better use of a fourth. Especially in this injury/covid riddled season.

Originally posted by irief:
A quality backup at most other positions is still a better use of a fourth. Especially in this injury/covid riddled season.

So.....if Lynch could predict 2020 and draft a 6th down RB you would be in this thread of whatever punter was picked up from the car wash and praising the GM's genius for getting such a good deal. Really? I wonder if some folks even football around here sometimes?

People still defend this pick lol

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
People still defend this pick lol

I just don't get the attraction. What a bust! Lets bring back the Pinion. There is not much difference in this position anyway. The pick does not match the coaching. What a waste.