Mitch Wishnowsky - Punter (Utah) is a 49er

Terrible kick and even weaker tackle attempt. Laughable that some were hyping his toughness and tackling ability. Bro….

Originally posted by irief:
Terrible kick and even weaker tackle attempt. Laughable that some were hyping his toughness and tackling ability. Bro….

the guy has actually been solid... what do you expect from a punter tho??

nevertheless, we still need to draft Araiza... SDST !!!

How does this guy compare against other punters in terms of pinning opposing teams? Anecdotally, it feels like he constantly punts it into the endzone when most decent NFL punters could at least get it inside the 15.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I personally like when kickoffs go to the goalline so the returner has to try to return it. However, there is a time and a place for touchbacks. And to me, going up 11 points with a few minutes left in the third quarter qualifies as a time for kicking the ball as far as you can.

I put that more on the coaches than Wish, though.

I don't think there's many times kicking it to the goal line is better than a guaranteed starting at the 25.

You will be amazed how often the return is short of the 25, especially accounting for holding and illegal block in the back penalties against the return team.

Average kickoff return since 2018 is 27 yards. Also risking injury and long returns to possibly stop a team inside the 25 yard line is a small reward for greater risks. I understand the argument and 100% disagree with kicking it short.

There are only 3 teams in the entire NFL that are averaging 25 yards or more on kick returns in 2021.

Average starting position or returns?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Bet this dude takes a lot of grief from his teammates. Let's see next time if he lays out. I thought because he was an Aussie I heard all this about him having a rugby mentality lol.

I don't know why anyone would say that since he never even sniffed that sport.

The game he did play has a tackle of sorts and is in open play situations since their field is 3 times the size of an NFL gridiron give or take.

That's why you see him make tackles at speed rather than stand and deliver type defense.

Still a bad miss though even if you do see 90% of punters break in half at the sight of a returner.

Originally posted by dhp318:
How does this guy compare against other punters in terms of pinning opposing teams? Anecdotally, it feels like he constantly punts it into the endzone when most decent NFL punters could at least get it inside the 15.

This is not where you should be looking to find fault.

Of his 35 punts only 4 have been touchbacks. That is at the top of the league but of course if you are rarely punting from your own half it is not a fair comparison.

His 17 punts inside the 20 would also rate in the top 5 in the league.

He also is highly rated in return average (49 yards on 9 returns) which points to good hang time since there is some questionable tacklers in special teams.

If he was picked up off the street you could not argue much against him in reality.

Where you should be looking is his kick off ability to consistently go through the back of the end zone, his ability to fill in as kicker for old man emu, his leg speed in punting the occasional boomer that he was good at in college and his unwillingness to stand up and make the coaches take notice that he is what they thought they had.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I personally like when kickoffs go to the goalline so the returner has to try to return it. However, there is a time and a place for touchbacks. And to me, going up 11 points with a few minutes left in the third quarter qualifies as a time for kicking the ball as far as you can.

I put that more on the coaches than Wish, though.

Hightower has already commented that they had asked both Gould and Wish to kick it out the end zone. Hightower is a bust but this one isn't entirely on him or KS.

Originally posted by KeepRabbitsOut:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I personally like when kickoffs go to the goalline so the returner has to try to return it. However, there is a time and a place for touchbacks. And to me, going up 11 points with a few minutes left in the third quarter qualifies as a time for kicking the ball as far as you can.

I put that more on the coaches than Wish, though.

Hightower has already commented that they had asked both Gould and Wish to kick it out the end zone. Hightower is a bust but this one isn't entirely on him or KS.

Now confirmed again in presser.

Originally posted by KeepRabbitsOut:

Originally posted by KeepRabbitsOut:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I personally like when kickoffs go to the goalline so the returner has to try to return it. However, there is a time and a place for touchbacks. And to me, going up 11 points with a few minutes left in the third quarter qualifies as a time for kicking the ball as far as you can.

I put that more on the coaches than Wish, though.

Hightower has already commented that they had asked both Gould and Wish to kick it out the end zone. Hightower is a bust but this one isn't entirely on him or KS.

Now confirmed again in presser.

Mitch this year has 14 of his 35 kickoffs go for touchbacks good for 40% but his average punt is 46.5 yards.
Pinion this year has 55 of his 67 kickoffs go for touchbacks good for 82.1% but his average punt 42.7 yards. So we "upgraded" our punter but a 4 yard average for a 4th rounder and saving 1.8 million on the cap this year.

I'm not familiar with good punters but here...

Mitch Wishnowsky 35 punts with 17 inside the 20 @ 50%, a total of 9 returns for 49 yards at 5.4 yards per return.
Pinion 37 punts with 17 inside the 20 @45%, a total of 15 returns for 108 yards at 7.2 yards per return

Jake Bailey AFC 2020 pro bowl 34 punts with 19 inside the 20 @ 55%, a total 11 of returns for 93 yards at 8.45 per return (2 blocked)
Jack Fox NFC 2020 pro bowl 50 punts with 15 inside the 20 @30%, a total of 24 returns for 213 yards at 8.87 per return

Best net as of current
Tommy Townsend 26 punts with 15 inside the 20 for 57%, a total of 11 returns for 49 yards at 4.45 per return
2nd best
Bryan Anger 39 punts with 14 inside the 20 for 35%, a total of 17 returns for 117 yards at 6.88 per return

Mitch may not be the best but he's easily top 5 or 6. I looked up his numbers a while back and he was also pretty high up in both starting position after a kickoff and punt as far as opposing teams starting position. I can't find where I found those stats though.

https://www.nfl.com/stats/player-stats/category/punts/2021/PRO/all/puntingaverageyards/desc

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by KeepRabbitsOut:

Originally posted by KeepRabbitsOut:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I personally like when kickoffs go to the goalline so the returner has to try to return it. However, there is a time and a place for touchbacks. And to me, going up 11 points with a few minutes left in the third quarter qualifies as a time for kicking the ball as far as you can.

I put that more on the coaches than Wish, though.

Hightower has already commented that they had asked both Gould and Wish to kick it out the end zone. Hightower is a bust but this one isn't entirely on him or KS.

Now confirmed again in presser.

Mitch this year has 14 of his 35 kickoffs go for touchbacks good for 40% but his average punt is 46.5 yards.
Pinion this year has 55 of his 67 kickoffs go for touchbacks good for 82.1% but his average punt 42.7 yards. So we "upgraded" our punter but a 4 yard average for a 4th rounder and saving 1.8 million on the cap this year.

Pinion is awful. Point is he cannot do it consistently or when the coaches want him to (which is likely ALL the FREAKIN TIME since the coaches are a little afraid).

Wish had a terrible game pinning deep last week, that was not the norm for him. Hopefully he bounces back.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Wish had a terrible game pinning deep last week, that was not the norm for him. Hopefully he bounces back.

Yeah, Not defending him because I think you are correct with how he played but from some reports the wind has a big effect at times in the brilliantly designed Levi's S.

A punter picked in the 4th round of the draft shouldn't be having off games, total waste of draft capital.

Originally posted by illinois9er:
A punter picked in the 4th round of the draft shouldn't be having off games, total waste of draft capital.

Pretty sure any player can have off games, regardless of where they were drafted. If you want to nitpick how some of our players perform based off of their draft status, I'm sure you can do better than this.