Mitch Wishnowsky - Punter (Utah) is a 49er

Originally posted by illinois9er:
A punter picked in the 4th round of the draft shouldn't be having off games, total waste of draft capital.

how is old Pinion doing in TB I wonder...

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

Originally posted by illinois9er:
A punter picked in the 4th round of the draft shouldn't be having off games, total waste of draft capital.

how is old Pinion doing in TB I wonder...

Pinions younger than Wishnowsky

Originally posted by KeepRabbitsOut:

Originally posted by KeepRabbitsOut:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I personally like when kickoffs go to the goalline so the returner has to try to return it. However, there is a time and a place for touchbacks. And to me, going up 11 points with a few minutes left in the third quarter qualifies as a time for kicking the ball as far as you can.

I put that more on the coaches than Wish, though.

Hightower has already commented that they had asked both Gould and Wish to kick it out the end zone. Hightower is a bust but this one isn't entirely on him or KS.

Now confirmed again in presser.

So it's confirmed our strategy is to kick it out of the end zone?

I am a wish fan, but always assumed our strategy was to force a return.

if in fact that is not the case, it makes one wonder, touch backs are so routine with the kicking rule changes…. Hmmm

Originally posted by TheXFactor:
how is old Pinion doing in TB I wonder...

I had their game against the colts on in the background and my ears perked up when I heard his name. He then proceeded to shank a punt which went along with a penalty to give the colts great field position that they turned into points.

We've forgotten how bad punters can be. We're pretty well set with Wish.

Originally posted by AkNiners:

Originally posted by TheXFactor:
how is old Pinion doing in TB I wonder...

I had their game against the colts on in the background and my ears perked up when I heard his name. He then proceeded to shank a punt which went along with a penalty to give the colts great field position that they turned into points.

We've forgotten how bad punters can be. We're pretty well set with Wish.

Yeah I think people just want to gripe because it's fairly atypical to take a punter that high so it's a "waste of draft capital".

But heck, this team has wasted plenty of draft capital on guys who didn't/have yet to work out. And to be fair, found a number of guys who have.

He's won the job and kept it since being drafted without any thought whatsoever by the team of trying to find someone better as of yet. That's a draft hit even if drafting a punter that high isn't typically done.

I don't know that I see anybody who's exploded on to the scene that we should have taken who makes us markedly better in any way between where we took him and Greenlaw a round later. Tony Pollard would be a nice back to have maybe. But we typically aren't lacking backs until they get hurt.

Some people just always need something or someone to complain about.

Needs to take that weak leg back to OZ. His pathetic tackling needs to go with him. Even scrawny Andy would've had a better chance at the tackle. Consistently struggles to kick it out of end zone.

Also beginning of the end for Robbie G. Can't pay that much for such an inconsistent and weak leg. Injury prone at that. Dude can't even kick off, and leaves us at the mercy of ol' Mitch. Time to overhaul both positions.

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

Originally posted by illinois9er:
A punter picked in the 4th round of the draft shouldn't be having off games, total waste of draft capital.

how is old Pinion doing in TB I wonder...

Good ole Pinion is costing Tampa Bay 2.8 million this year and next. Were good ole Mitch is costing 850 thousand this year and 965 thousand next. The cap savings is huge and I have no problem spending a sorry azz 4th round pick for a four year starter and save 2 million a year. In fact I would let him walk in free agency and do it again.

Originally posted by Izyniner:

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

Originally posted by illinois9er:
A punter picked in the 4th round of the draft shouldn't be having off games, total waste of draft capital.

how is old Pinion doing in TB I wonder...

Good ole Pinion is costing Tampa Bay 2.8 million this year and next. Were good ole Mitch is costing 850 thousand this year and 965 thousand next. The cap savings is huge and I have no problem spending a sorry azz 4th round pick for a four year starter and save 2 million a year. In fact I would let him walk in free agency and do it again.

He's been good enough. He's not one of the best punters in the league, but he's somewhere towards the back end top 10, his numbers back it up as well. I would do a 4 year 11-12 mil extension for him. Rather pay a bit extra money then spend another 4th round pick on a P.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by Izyniner:

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

Originally posted by illinois9er:
A punter picked in the 4th round of the draft shouldn't be having off games, total waste of draft capital.

how is old Pinion doing in TB I wonder...

Good ole Pinion is costing Tampa Bay 2.8 million this year and next. Were good ole Mitch is costing 850 thousand this year and 965 thousand next. The cap savings is huge and I have no problem spending a sorry azz 4th round pick for a four year starter and save 2 million a year. In fact I would let him walk in free agency and do it again.

He's been good enough. He's not one of the best punters in the league, but he's somewhere towards the back end top 10, his numbers back it up as well. I would do a 4 year 11-12 mil extension for him. Rather pay a bit extra money then spend another 4th round pick on a P.

I could go either way but both ideas and positions are more reasonable than "he's awful, a bum, and a waste of a fourth round pick."
Again, I don't see where anyone has suggested or looked at who we could have drafted or missed out between that pick and Greenlaw's that would have been markedly better.

The whole idea of the person above talking about his "weak leg"- he punted in the Vikings game I think a time or two from our 35ish and the ball went into the end zone on a touchback. Admittedly on a bounce or a roll as that obviously wasn't what he was trying to do and that also admittedly is a failure on those punts. But I seriously doubt just as with Jimmy it's not a lack of arm strength, it's also not a lack of leg strength with Mitch. Don't know what's going on and yes it needs to improve. But overall he's perfectly acceptable out there and has had his good games as well including a special teams player of the week or month award earlier this same year.

Someone mentioned the wind and I wouldn't doubt it. San Francisco, or maybe even Santa Clara, isn't exactly always calm when it comes to wind. Probably second or so to Chicago. Now I know Minnesota dealt with the same wind we did. But if all we have to do is complain about a punter after our third straight win, well I guess that's this place.

Originally posted by OhioNiner:
I could go either way but both ideas and positions are more reasonable than "he's awful, a bum, and a waste of a fourth round pick."
Again, I don't see where anyone has suggested or looked at who we could have drafted or missed out between that pick and Greenlaw's that would have been markedly better.

The whole idea of the person above talking about his "weak leg"- he punted in the Vikings game I think a time or two from our 35ish and the ball went into the end zone on a touchback. Admittedly on a bounce or a roll as that obviously wasn't what he was trying to do and that also admittedly is a failure on those punts. But I seriously doubt just as with Jimmy it's not a lack of arm strength, it's also not a lack of leg strength with Mitch. Don't know what's going on and yes it needs to improve. But overall he's perfectly acceptable out there and has had his good games as well including a special teams player of the week or month award earlier this same year.

Someone mentioned the wind and I wouldn't doubt it. San Francisco, or maybe even Santa Clara, isn't exactly always calm when it comes to wind. Probably second or so to Chicago. Now I know Minnesota dealt with the same wind we did. But if all we have to do is complain about a punter after our third straight win, well I guess that's this place.

Dickson gonna make u wish u never heard of Mitch on Sunday. Got the wrong Aussie!

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by Izyniner:

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

Originally posted by illinois9er:
A punter picked in the 4th round of the draft shouldn't be having off games, total waste of draft capital.

how is old Pinion doing in TB I wonder...

Good ole Pinion is costing Tampa Bay 2.8 million this year and next. Were good ole Mitch is costing 850 thousand this year and 965 thousand next. The cap savings is huge and I have no problem spending a sorry azz 4th round pick for a four year starter and save 2 million a year. In fact I would let him walk in free agency and do it again.

He's been good enough. He's not one of the best punters in the league, but he's somewhere towards the back end top 10, his numbers back it up as well. I would do a 4 year 11-12 mil extension for him. Rather pay a bit extra money then spend another 4th round pick on a P.

Baalke trading Lee, never made any sense to me. #TheOneThatGotAway

Originally posted by irief:

Originally posted by OhioNiner:
I could go either way but both ideas and positions are more reasonable than "he's awful, a bum, and a waste of a fourth round pick."
Again, I don't see where anyone has suggested or looked at who we could have drafted or missed out between that pick and Greenlaw's that would have been markedly better.

The whole idea of the person above talking about his "weak leg"- he punted in the Vikings game I think a time or two from our 35ish and the ball went into the end zone on a touchback. Admittedly on a bounce or a roll as that obviously wasn't what he was trying to do and that also admittedly is a failure on those punts. But I seriously doubt just as with Jimmy it's not a lack of arm strength, it's also not a lack of leg strength with Mitch. Don't know what's going on and yes it needs to improve. But overall he's perfectly acceptable out there and has had his good games as well including a special teams player of the week or month award earlier this same year.

Someone mentioned the wind and I wouldn't doubt it. San Francisco, or maybe even Santa Clara, isn't exactly always calm when it comes to wind. Probably second or so to Chicago. Now I know Minnesota dealt with the same wind we did. But if all we have to do is complain about a punter after our third straight win, well I guess that's this place.

Dickson gonna make u wish u never heard of Mitch on Sunday. Got the wrong Aussie!

Well I mean I certainly hope Dickson's name is heard a lot more than Wishnowsky's Sunday,

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I personally like when kickoffs go to the goalline so the returner has to try to return it. However, there is a time and a place for touchbacks. And to me, going up 11 points with a few minutes left in the third quarter qualifies as a time for kicking the ball as far as you can.

I put that more on the coaches than Wish, though.

I don't think there's many times kicking it to the goal line is better than a guaranteed starting at the 25.

You will be amazed how often the return is short of the 25, especially accounting for holding and illegal block in the back penalties against the return team.

Average kickoff return since 2018 is 27 yards. Also risking injury and long returns to possibly stop a team inside the 25 yard line is a small reward for greater risks. I understand the argument and 100% disagree with kicking it short.

There are only 3 teams in the entire NFL that are averaging 25 yards or more on kick returns in 2021.

Average starting position or returns?

Returns yardage.

I actually believe the league is slowly going to KOs to the 2 or 3 yd line…and high…that part is harder. Reason being, most balls kicked to 2 or 3 yd line, don't make it out past the18-20. Crappy teams seem to kick it out of EZ, and better teams seem to kick it to 2 or 3. It is just eyeballing it but that is what it seems

Just saw the kicker for Minnesota do a kickoff where the ball was about 8 feet off the ground out of the EZ for a touchback. If our weak legged kickers can't do that, they should be out of the league.