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Originally posted by Jiks:
I said this yesterday but if he kicks like he did in college he will become a fan favorite. I see no reason why he shouldn't but you never know. I think we as fans just kind of got used to Pinion doing absolutely nothing and forgot how much of a luxury it is pinning teams back and making them earn a full 90+ yards.
Originally posted by 9moon:
I like this kid...
but if it was TRUE that the Patriots wanted to give us extra picks for the spot so that they can DRAFT the same punter, then we made a DUMB mistake not to get the extra picks.
Originally posted by okdkid:Imagine being upset we took a Pro Bowl caliber punter instead of a 3rd string DB.
Originally posted by Chance:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by mayo49:
It looks like NE was going to take him if we didn't.
Not in the 4th. Belichick isn't dumb.
MAYBE he jumps up 21 spots ahead of us in the 5th like the Colts did thinking we'd take a S but I doubt it. And if so, trade a 6th to move up a few more spots to secure him.
The other issue is the PK Gray is going to give you far more value and we lost out on him. Gray will give you actual points. And Lynch was mad as hell losing out on him.
The spin to justify this move is just nuts.
Yet you justified Pinion in the fifth who was not considered the best punter in college. It seems ironic that you defended the previous GM for the exact same decisions this GM is making. FWIW, I don't think the selection of Punion or Wishnowsky were bad at the time in theory. It turned out that Pinion was a dud, and that Baalke tried to get too cute. We'll see if "Make A" Wishnowksy, and Lynch's decision to get him, fare better.
Just to see if Make-a-Wish can do it. 
...and it would be good to put on philm for folks preparing for the regular season to have another thing to prepare for. 
Originally posted by Chance:Originally posted by NCommand:Originally posted by mayo49:It looks like NE was going to take him if we didn't.
Not in the 4th. Belichick isn't dumb.
MAYBE he jumps up 21 spots ahead of us in the 5th like the Colts did thinking we'd take a S but I doubt it. And if so, trade a 6th to move up a few more spots to secure him.
The other issue is the PK Gray is going to give you far more value and we lost out on him. Gray will give you actual points. And Lynch was mad as hell losing out on him.
The spin to justify this move is just nuts.
Yet you justified Pinion in the fifth who was not considered the best punter in college. It seems ironic that you defended the previous GM for the exact same decisions this GM is making. FWIW, I don't think the selection of Punion or Wishnowsky were bad at the time in theory. It turned out that Pinion was a dud, and that Baalke tried to get too cute. We'll see if "Make A" Wishnowksy, and Lynch's decision to get him, fare better.
Originally posted by Chance:Originally posted by NCommand:Originally posted by mayo49:It looks like NE was going to take him if we didn't.
Not in the 4th. Belichick isn't dumb.
MAYBE he jumps up 21 spots ahead of us in the 5th like the Colts did thinking we'd take a S but I doubt it. And if so, trade a 6th to move up a few more spots to secure him.
The other issue is the PK Gray is going to give you far more value and we lost out on him. Gray will give you actual points. And Lynch was mad as hell losing out on him.
The spin to justify this move is just nuts.
Yet you justified Pinion in the fifth who was not considered the best punter in college. It seems ironic that you defended the previous GM for the exact same decisions this GM is making. FWIW, I don't think the selection of Punion or Wishnowsky were bad at the time in theory. It turned out that Pinion was a dud, and that Baalke tried to get too cute. We'll see if "Make A" Wishnowksy, and Lynch's decision to get him, fare better.
Originally posted by okdkid:Originally posted by 9moon:I like this kid...
but if it was TRUE that the Patriots wanted to give us extra picks for the spot so that they can DRAFT the same punter, then we made a DUMB mistake not to get the extra picks.
??
They traded down, got extra picks. and took this dude.
Originally posted by DASeiler49:Originally posted by okdkid:Originally posted by 9moon:I like this kid...
but if it was TRUE that the Patriots wanted to give us extra picks for the spot so that they can DRAFT the same punter, then we made a DUMB mistake not to get the extra picks.
??
They traded down, got extra picks. and took this dude.
So they're dumb for trading down, getting extra picks and getting the player they wanted... but would have been smart for trading the pick to a team that would have taken the player?
Originally posted by ChazBoner:Lie to yourselves all you want. This dude in the 4th is f**king retarded.
Originally posted by TheFunkyChicken:Originally posted by okdkid:Imagine being upset we took a Pro Bowl caliber punter instead of a 3rd string DB.
I get that many see it that way, but Chauncey Gardner Johnson was one of the highest rated free safeties in the draft and he happened to fall. Maybe that's an indication he wasn't as good as people thought. But maybe not... second round rounders who people think could jump into the first end up slipping to the 4th all the time, just based on luck. And smart teams scoop them up. The Saints thought highly enough of him to trade up to get him right after we passed on him.
FS is an in incredibly important position in our D and also one where we have very little talent. I think CGJ would have been our most talented player at that position. And certainly would have been the highest rated prospect we've drafted at that position in a long time.
Punters can be, and usually are, picked up undrafted.
I would much rather have the best undrafted punter we could get and a potential starter at FS then what we have now: a top punting prospect and the same trash at safety that embarrassed our team all last year.
Most teams have punters they did not draft and they are fine. Having an average punter is nowhere near as bad for a team as having terrible secondary.
CGJ in the 4th was the last moment in the draft when we had an opportunity to draft a guy who legitimately could start this year at a position of need.
If you feel differently that's fine. But remember that name. Because he could be starting for the Saints soon. But you'll probably be happily watching our beautiful punts, getting us field game advantages that mean nothing because we are totally vulnerable to deep passes.
Originally posted by ChazBoner:Lie to yourselves all you want. This dude in the 4th is f**king retarded.
Originally posted by TheFunkyChicken:
Originally posted by ChazBoner:
Lie to yourselves all you want. This dude in the 4th is f**king retarded.
I love that you condensed my long post into one line. Thank you.
Originally posted by Kalen49ers:If this guy is Andy Lee good for the next 10 years I will take that.
