Mitch Wishnowsky - Punter (Utah) is a 49er

I kicked the dog too when we took this guy in the 4th. I've had time to digest. Justifying bc I'm a fan? Probably but I watched Dickson his entire time at Texas. He was a weapon. A field flipper. This guy is cut from the same cloth.

With our defense the way it has improved, flipping the field is a good thing. I'm looking at this guy as Andy Lee in the 4th. Would you have been okay with Andy Lee in the 4th? Well then, give him a shot. He's got the talent. If you believe what some are writing others wanted him. I'm going to hold him to a 4th round standard and if he does what he is supposed to do I'll be find with it at the end of the year.

Originally posted by Kalen49ers:
If this guy is Andy Lee good for the next 10 years I will take that.

Head-scratching pick now, for sure.

But, if he turns into a Lee type punter for a decade, the 4th round draft status won't be that much of a deal. And I would be cool with that. Lee helped us win so many of those close games.

But if he turns into an Aguayo, it will be a major reason why Lynch will ultimately be fired. Even if he turns into an average punter, Lynch should still be scrutinized.

Let's hope Lynch and co. really did their due diligence on the guy. He better be a top5 punter in the league come day 1.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by DASeiler49:

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by 9moon:
I like this kid...

but if it was TRUE that the Patriots wanted to give us extra picks for the spot so that they can DRAFT the same punter, then we made a DUMB mistake not to get the extra picks.

??

They traded down, got extra picks. and took this dude.

So they're dumb for trading down, getting extra picks and getting the player they wanted... but would have been smart for trading the pick to a team that would have taken the player?

...here comes the moving goalposts, as he'd say.

After the Bengals trade, the Patriots where trying to move up to our NEW spot and were offering extra picks..

Originally posted by NCommand:

Agreed. Once Kyle gets his offense going, while his run will always set up his pass, play action, his philosophy is still pass and the intermediate passing game in particular. I just wouldn't define that as a ball controlled philosophy and esp. not one mirroring a Bo Schembechler philosophy.

Walsh's teams were ball control though. If the term ball control only represents the behind the times mediocre HaRoman crap that was here than sure.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by ChazBoner:

Lie to yourselves all you want. This dude in the 4th is f**king retarded.

People can justify anything. Anything.

Typical NT. Deluding themselves into liking this pick.

Go with your first instinct. Dumb pick, dumb move.

Originally posted by ChazBoner:

Lie to yourselves all you want. This dude in the 4th is f**king retarded.

Second that. The Incompetence was on full display with that one.

Worst part was watching lynch and Shanahan celebrating before the pick was announced. as if they pulled one over on the rest of the nfl.

Originally posted by ElDannMann:

Originally posted by Kalen49ers:
If this guy is Andy Lee good for the next 10 years I will take that.

Head-scratching pick now, for sure.

But, if he turns into a Lee type punter for a decade, the 4th round draft status won't be that much of a deal. And I would be cool with that. Lee helped us win so many of those close games.

But if he turns into an Aguayo, it will be a major reason why Lynch will ultimately be fired. Even if he turns into an average punter, Lynch should still be scrutinized.

Let's hope Lynch and co. really did their due diligence on the guy. He better be a top5 punter in the league come day 1.

Okay, for all of you guys who seem to have too much time on your hands to do this sort of thing, why doesn't someone make a list of all of the fourth round picks in the last 10 years who have become one of the top five players at their position from the first game they started. If a player drafted in the fourth round at any other position became a solid starter for ten years that would be considered a pretty good pick, but I guess punters are held to a different standard

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Agreed. Once Kyle gets his offense going, while his run will always set up his pass, play action, his philosophy is still pass and the intermediate passing game in particular. I just wouldn't define that as a ball controlled philosophy and esp. not one mirroring a Bo Schembechler philosophy.

Walsh's teams were ball control though. If the term ball control only represents the behind the times mediocre HaRoman crap that was here than sure.

Definitely. Walsh certainly was...more short passing game to set up the run in the 2nd halfs of games. Kyle is more OZ first to set up the PA intermediate passing game and using either/or in the second halfs of games. Harbaugh, obviously, inside power and grind teams down physically with controlled safe passing. Lots of different styles.

Anyhow, all good now...like the player and hope he kicks ass for us.

Originally posted by ChazBoner:
Worst part was watching lynch and Shanahan celebrating before the pick was announced. as if they pulled one over on the rest of the nfl.

the thought of NOT needing to get 1st downs and continue good drives just gave the two a hard on and made them celebrate.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by mayo49:

It looks like NE was going to take him if we didn't.

Not in the 4th. Belichick isn't dumb.

MAYBE he jumps up 21 spots ahead of us in the 5th like the Colts did thinking we'd take a S but I doubt it. And if so, trade a 6th to move up a few more spots to secure him.

The other issue is the PK Gray is going to give you far more value and we lost out on him. Gray will give you actual points. And Lynch was mad as hell losing out on him.

The spin to justify this move is just nuts.

Yet you justified Pinion in the fifth who was not considered the best punter in college. It seems ironic that you defended the previous GM for the exact same decisions this GM is making. FWIW, I don't think the selection of Punion or Wishnowsky were bad at the time in theory. It turned out that Pinion was a dud, and that Baalke tried to get too cute. We'll see if "Make A" Wishnowksy, and Lynch's decision to get him, fare better.

Pinion (pick 165) was fine. He didn't hurt us in any way and was good at pinning teams inside the 20 esp. with Mostert healthy. We tried to resign him. He also was basically a 6th rounder...an untradeable comp pick at the end of the 5th and as part of that move, we got Trenton Brown out of it. There's zero comparison. Belichick also got his punter in the 5th this year...pick 163.

Pinion was average at best and wildly inconsistent at worst. That's UDFA territory, not any round in the draft. The problem with the Pinion pick is that he wasn't a dominant punter in college so it was a head scratcher why anyone would have drafted him to begin with. Wishnowski is a completely different story. In my opinion a dominant NFL punter is well worth a mid-late round selection. An average punter like Pinion are a dime a dozen.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by mayo49:

It looks like NE was going to take him if we didn't.

Not in the 4th. Belichick isn't dumb.

MAYBE he jumps up 21 spots ahead of us in the 5th like the Colts did thinking we'd take a S but I doubt it. And if so, trade a 6th to move up a few more spots to secure him.

The other issue is the PK Gray is going to give you far more value and we lost out on him. Gray will give you actual points. And Lynch was mad as hell losing out on him.

The spin to justify this move is just nuts.

Yet you justified Pinion in the fifth who was not considered the best punter in college. It seems ironic that you defended the previous GM for the exact same decisions this GM is making. FWIW, I don't think the selection of Punion or Wishnowsky were bad at the time in theory. It turned out that Pinion was a dud, and that Baalke tried to get too cute. We'll see if "Make A" Wishnowksy, and Lynch's decision to get him, fare better.

I can see Kyle calling a lot of fake punt plays in the pre-season. Just to see if Make-a-Wish can do it. ...and it would be good to put on philm for folks preparing for the regular season to have another thing to prepare for.

I hope they don't waste that element of surprise in meaningless preseason games. If we see it's working in practice, then it should also work when we really need it in the regular season.

We should also use him more like Hekker where it's not always the coaches making the call, but the punter having the awareness to know that the coverage has left a gaping hole for him to run through and he has the green light by the coaches to tuck it and take off. Utah fans say he had the trust of their coaching staff to sometimes make the call himself.

Originally posted by Chance:
Pinion was average at best and wildly inconsistent at worst. That's UDFA territory, not any round in the draft. The problem with the Pinion pick is that he wasn't a dominant punter in college so it was a head scratcher why anyone would have drafted him to begin with. Wishnowski is a completely different story. In my opinion a dominant NFL punter is well worth a mid-late round selection. An average punter like Pinion are a dime a dozen.

Pinion had just one good year at Clemson. Whiz had three great ones.

^ didn't realize Pinion was a good pick who was a good punter for the Niners, was really a 6th round pick, was a FA resign priority and the reason they netted Trenton Brown. Impressive.