Mitch Wishnowsky - Punter (Utah) is a 49er

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by mayo49:

It looks like NE was going to take him if we didn't.

Not in the 4th. Belichick isn't dumb.

MAYBE he jumps up 21 spots ahead of us in the 5th like the Colts did thinking we'd take a S but I doubt it. And if so, trade a 6th to move up a few more spots to secure him.

The other issue is the PK Gray is going to give you far more value and we lost out on him. Gray will give you actual points. And Lynch was mad as hell losing out on him.

The spin to justify this move is just nuts.

Yet you justified Pinion in the fifth who was not considered the best punter in college. It seems ironic that you defended the previous GM for the exact same decisions this GM is making. FWIW, I don't think the selection of Punion or Wishnowsky were bad at the time in theory. It turned out that Pinion was a dud, and that Baalke tried to get too cute. We'll see if "Make A" Wishnowksy, and Lynch's decision to get him, fare better.

Pinion (pick 165) was fine. He didn't hurt us in any way and was good at pinning teams inside the 20 esp. with Mostert healthy. We tried to resign him. He also was basically a 6th rounder...an untradeable comp pick at the end of the 5th and as part of that move, we got Trenton Brown out of it. There's zero comparison. Belichick also got his punter in the 5th this year...pick 163.

Pinion was average at best and wildly inconsistent at worst. That's UDFA territory, not any round in the draft. The problem with the Pinion pick is that he wasn't a dominant punter in college so it was a head scratcher why anyone would have drafted him to begin with. Wishnowski is a completely different story. In my opinion a dominant NFL punter is well worth a mid-late round selection. An average punter like Pinion are a dime a dozen.

You take a punter in rounds 5-7. That's all special teams and pSPARQ area. Nobody is expecting all pro punters or kickers there.

You take a punter with the 8th pick of the 4th round after having all night to strategize, you bet your ass his expectations skyrocket. And rightfully so.

But you're right. Pinion played at a UDFA level...and he was fine...signed as a FA and makes this debate even worse if you're trying to justify it.

Yeah a 4th round punter

I get the feeling Lynch is a bit lost doing this job

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

^ didn't realize Pinion was a good pick who was a good punter for the Niners, was really a 6th round pick, was a FA resign priority and the reason they netted Trenton Brown. Impressive.

See, you can teach an old dog new tricks. You never stop learning.

Wishnowsky - the STW - Special Teams Weapon

I love this pick. This is going to help our ST actually become a factor in games again. It's been too long.

...here for the entertainment.

Fair and balanced debating.

You'll love this!

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

^ didn't realize Pinion was a good pick who was a good punter for the Niners, was really a 6th round pick, was a FA resign priority and the reason they netted Trenton Brown. Impressive.

See, you can teach a dog new tricks. You never stop learning.

Wishnowsky - the STW - Special Teams Weapon

I am not a dog!

It's not big deal that we got a punter in 4th. Y'all acting as if we missed on bosa and got a punter instead.

Lol if we're getting excited about what our punter is doing or not doing, we're having a s**tty season.

Originally posted by NCommand:
...here for the entertainment.

In 2018, Mitch Wishnowsky averaged 47.4 yards per punt at home where the air is thin, because Salt Lake City is 4,226 feet above sea level. On the road, he averaged just 43.7 yards per punt. That's what Bradley Pinion averaged for the 49ers last season.

— Grant Cohn (@grantcohn) April 28, 2019

Yards per punt just isn't a good enough metric imo. Sometimes a 60 yarder is needed, sometimes a 35 yard punt is the perfect punt. I don't know if any site breaks it down to the level of detail I hope to see, but we all will see how well he does from watching the games.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by mayo49:
It looks like NE was going to take him if we didn't.

Not in the 4th. Belichick isn't dumb.

MAYBE he jumps up 21 spots ahead of us in the 5th like the Colts did thinking we'd take a S but I doubt it. And if so, trade a 6th to move up a few more spots to secure him.

The other issue is the PK Gray is going to give you far more value and we lost out on him. Gray will give you actual points. And Lynch was mad as hell losing out on him.

The spin to justify this move is just nuts.

Yet you justified Pinion in the fifth who was not considered the best punter in college. It seems ironic that you defended the previous GM for the exact same decisions this GM is making. FWIW, I don't think the selection of Punion or Wishnowsky were bad at the time in theory. It turned out that Pinion was a dud, and that Baalke tried to get too cute. We'll see if "Make A" Wishnowksy, and Lynch's decision to get him, fare better.

Pinion (pick 165) was fine. He didn't hurt us in any way and was good at pinning teams inside the 20 esp. with Mostert healthy. We tried to resign him. He also was basically a 6th rounder...an untradeable comp pick at the end of the 5th and as part of that move, we got Trenton Brown out of it. There's zero comparison. Belichick also got his punter in the 5th this year...pick 163.

Pinion was average at best and wildly inconsistent at worst. That's UDFA territory, not any round in the draft. The problem with the Pinion pick is that he wasn't a dominant punter in college so it was a head scratcher why anyone would have drafted him to begin with. Wishnowski is a completely different story. In my opinion a dominant NFL punter is well worth a mid-late round selection. An average punter like Pinion are a dime a dozen.

You take a punter in rounds 5-7. That's all special teams and pSPARQ area. Nobody is expecting all pro punters or kickers there.

You take a punter with the 8th pick of the 4th round after having all night to strategize, you bet your ass his expectations skyrocket. And rightfully so.

But you're right. Pinion played at a UDFA level...and he was fine...signed as a FA and makes this debate even worse if you're trying to justify it.

What is that, a rule that's written down somewhere in the Fan's Guide to the NFL Draft? They needed a punter. They drafted one that they liked. It's not like they traded away a number one pick to get him or anything. The history of the NFL is littered with 4th round picks that didn't amount to anything, not sure why everyone is acting like we missed the chance to get a future Hall of Famer with that pick. At the end of the day all of these arguments boil down to the same thing, they didn't do what I thought they should do, so obviously they don't know what they are doing.

Not that I was thrilled with the pick, but during his college career there were 100 total return yards over his last 106 punts.
In a game of inches, maybe his pick solved a bigger problem than anyone else available would have .

Originally posted by Sourball:
Not that I was thrilled with the pick,but during his college career there were 100 total return yards over his last 106 punts.
In a game of inches, maybe his pick was a bigger problem solved than anyone else available would have brought.

Yep. You speak wisdom.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

^ didn't realize Pinion was a good pick who was a good punter for the Niners, was really a 6th round pick, was a FA resign priority and the reason they netted Trenton Brown. Impressive.

See, you can teach a dog new tricks. You never stop learning.

Wishnowsky - the STW - Special Teams Weapon

I am not a dog!

I'm sorry, I meant "dawg." My dawg!

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NCommand:

...here for the entertainment.

In 2018, Mitch Wishnowsky averaged 47.4 yards per punt at home where the air is thin, because Salt Lake City is 4,226 feet above sea level. On the road, he averaged just 43.7 yards per punt. That's what Bradley Pinion averaged for the 49ers last season.

— Grant Cohn (@grantcohn) April 28, 2019

Yards per punt just isn't a good enough metric imo. Sometimes a 60 yarder is needed, sometimes a 35 yard punt is the perfect punt. I don't know if any site breaks it down to the level of detail I hope to see, but we all will see how well he does from watching the games.

Phoenix will have you covered on more accurate stats on this one.