Mitch Wishnowsky - Punter (Utah) is a 49er

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Here is why the @49ers went in the 4th for this guy @mitchwish and he'll be a big asset to the defence this season. He also has a very accurate going in kick, so they see him as quite a weapon @jenniferleechan pic.twitter.com/5yoCJ1SrFd

— Prokick Australia (@ProkickAus) May 4, 2019

Nice, thanks for posting

There was a split second I could not longer see the ball and i swear, it bounced off the moon. I fully expect Alien contact any day now. Wishnowsky transcends the Universe.

4th round steal confirmed

Originally posted by NCommand:
There was a split second I could not longer see the ball and i swear, it bounced off the moon. I fully expect Alien contact any day now. Wishnowsky transcends the Universe.

Did you hear what that hang time was. 5.52 and 5.58 That's a weapon when your offense struggles.

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Here's an idea I saw posted that I think is worth repeating. For all of you who are bagging on this pick, make a list of players you would have rather had at this spot, who were actually available. Post it in the thread now so that there isn't any temptation to add late round gems who no one saw coming but ended up making a big impact on their respective teams. At the end of the season we can revisit your picks and compare how much of a difference they made on their teams to the impact that Wishnowsky makes for the 49ers. To begin with he will be a day one starter, which gives him a tiny step up on probably anyone who was picked after him. So there is that, even if he is only a punter. If he is able to consistently put kicks inside the 10 or limit the amount of punt return yards that teams get against us than that seems like it would be well worth a fourth round pick as opposed to some guy who turns out to be a back-up at his position. But we can let the contributions of the players you list actually determine their value rather than assigning some arbitrary value to them based on their draft position. That way you will all have a chance to prove how much smarter you are than the 49ers front office.

LOL...was wondering who left that comment.

Start with Pick 9 and keep going...

https://www.nfl.com/draft/tracker/picks?round=4

About the sort of response I would expect from all of the armchair GM's in here. No problem with endlessly complaining about a pick but unwilling to go on the record with an alternative selection and being held to account for it even in someplace as meaningless as a fan forum. Easier to talk about all the guys we "could" have had with the pick than to actually pick one who fills a need on the team and will in their opinion produce at a more meaningful level than Wishnowsky might. I am perfectly willing to be proven wrong in argument, are any of you?

I hate to break the news to you but we're all armchair fans and GM's, including you. If you're going to label fans armchair GM's for not thinking we got good value at #110 and consider punter at the bottom of the position board that affects games the most, does that make you a "FO defender?" A Joe Fann of the forum? Of course not.

And again, you massively miss the point. I haven't seen a single fan NOT like the player himself.

The issue is the FO tendencies to overvalue and massively overpay for positions that have the least affect on W-L's while deprioritizing those that do. They also lazer focus on players, freak out and draft them way too early and don't appear to read or care what the rest of the NFL is doing.

They're a FO that puts $20 down at the poker table, wins two hands and cashes out immediately vs. playing the long game of value against the field.

A punter at #110 is just symbolic of these trends we've seen every draft thus far.

We love the kid/man. Love our Aussie fans.

In fact, I kind of feel bad for him because he knows he was way overdrafted and the expectations are unfair now. He feels that already.

If he flops, that could have an effect on future Aussie punters. If Dickson didn't go in the 5th last year and find success, would ShanaLynch drafted MW in the 4th? Of course not (well, maybe not). It works both ways.

I personally hope he kicks ass and "Oi, oi, oi!" becomes the chant with every punt. Roger Goodell would love that! All Niner games would be televised there and become the home team.

But this isn't really about Mitch, is it?

It's about a FO who after three years, still doesn't know how to play poker at the big boy table.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by NCommand:

There was a split second I could not longer see the ball and i swear, it bounced off the moon. I fully expect Alien contact any day now. Wishnowsky transcends the Universe.

Did you hear what that hang time was. 5.52 and 5.58 That's a weapon when your offense struggles.

It certainly could be if his accuracy is on point! If not, 22 players just stand around for 6 seconds and watch the returner fair catch at his own 45.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by NCommand:
There was a split second I could not longer see the ball and i swear, it bounced off the moon. I fully expect Alien contact any day now. Wishnowsky transcends the Universe.

Did you hear what that hang time was. 5.52 and 5.58 That's a weapon when your offense struggles.

It certainly could be if his accuracy is on point! If not, 22 players just stand around for 6 seconds and watch the returner fair catch at his own 45.

When has that ever happened?

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by NCommand:

There was a split second I could not longer see the ball and i swear, it bounced off the moon. I fully expect Alien contact any day now. Wishnowsky transcends the Universe.

Did you hear what that hang time was. 5.52 and 5.58 That's a weapon when your offense struggles.

It certainly could be if his accuracy is on point! If not, 22 players just stand around for 6 seconds and watch the returner fair catch at his own 45.

When has that ever happened?

All the time actually. It's called a fair catch.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by NCommand:
There was a split second I could not longer see the ball and i swear, it bounced off the moon. I fully expect Alien contact any day now. Wishnowsky transcends the Universe.

Did you hear what that hang time was. 5.52 and 5.58 That's a weapon when your offense struggles.

It certainly could be if his accuracy is on point! If not, 22 players just stand around for 6 seconds and watch the returner fair catch at his own 45.

When has that ever happened?

All the time actually. It's called a fair catch.

Not sure i have ever seen a fair catch where everyone just stands around.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by NCommand:

There was a split second I could not longer see the ball and i swear, it bounced off the moon. I fully expect Alien contact any day now. Wishnowsky transcends the Universe.

Did you hear what that hang time was. 5.52 and 5.58 That's a weapon when your offense struggles.

It certainly could be if his accuracy is on point! If not, 22 players just stand around for 6 seconds and watch the returner fair catch at his own 45.

When has that ever happened?

All the time actually. It's called a fair catch.

Not sure i have ever seen a fair catch where everyone just stands around.

So the NFL created this rule that is really neat. It's a safety rule. If the returner thinks he's going to get decapitated esp. with the aid of a high hang time, he gets to wave his arm with a white flag and nobody is allowed to touch him after that. Players at that point relax and stand around since the returner isn't allowed to advance the ball.

I'll see if I can find a YouTube clip for you.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49ers81:
Here's an idea I saw posted that I think is worth repeating. For all of you who are bagging on this pick, make a list of players you would have rather had at this spot, who were actually available. Post it in the thread now so that there isn't any temptation to add late round gems who no one saw coming but ended up making a big impact on their respective teams. At the end of the season we can revisit your picks and compare how much of a difference they made on their teams to the impact that Wishnowsky makes for the 49ers. To begin with he will be a day one starter, which gives him a tiny step up on probably anyone who was picked after him. So there is that, even if he is only a punter. If he is able to consistently put kicks inside the 10 or limit the amount of punt return yards that teams get against us than that seems like it would be well worth a fourth round pick as opposed to some guy who turns out to be a back-up at his position. But we can let the contributions of the players you list actually determine their value rather than assigning some arbitrary value to them based on their draft position. That way you will all have a chance to prove how much smarter you are than the 49ers front office.

LOL...was wondering who left that comment.

Start with Pick 9 and keep going...

https://www.nfl.com/draft/tracker/picks?round=4

About the sort of response I would expect from all of the armchair GM's in here. No problem with endlessly complaining about a pick but unwilling to go on the record with an alternative selection and being held to account for it even in someplace as meaningless as a fan forum. Easier to talk about all the guys we "could" have had with the pick than to actually pick one who fills a need on the team and will in their opinion produce at a more meaningful level than Wishnowsky might. I am perfectly willing to be proven wrong in argument, are any of you?

I hate to break the news to you but we're all armchair fans and GM's, including you. If you're going to label fans armchair GM's for not thinking we got good value at #110 and consider punter at the bottom of the position board that affects games the most, does that make you a "FO defender?" A Joe Fann of the forum? Of course not.

And again, you massively miss the point. I haven't seen a single fan NOT like the player himself.

The issue is the FO tendencies to overvalue and massively overpay for positions that have the least affect on W-L's while deprioritizing those that do. They also lazer focus on players, freak out and draft them way too early and don't appear to read or care what the rest of the NFL is doing.

They're a FO that puts $20 down at the poker table, wins two hands and cashes out immediately vs. playing the long game of value against the field.

A punter at #110 is just symbolic of these trends we've seen every draft thus far.

We love the kid/man. Love our Aussie fans.

In fact, I kind of feel bad for him because he knows he was way overdrafted and the expectations are unfair now. He feels that already.

If he flops, that could have an effect on future Aussie punters. If Dickson didn't go in the 5th last year and find success, would ShanaLynch drafted MW in the 4th? Of course not (well, maybe not). It works both ways.

I personally hope he kicks ass and "Oi, oi, oi!" becomes the chant with every punt. Roger Goodell would love that! All Niner games would be televised there and become the home team.

But this isn't really about Mitch, is it?

It's about a FO who after three years, still doesn't know how to play poker at the big boy table.

All that jabber and you're still not willing to name one player that you would have picked at that spot instead and are willing to match his contribution to his team against Wishnowsky's contribution to the 49ers at the end of the season.

As to your other point I don't consider myself an armchair GM by any definition of that term. As I have often said I don't follow college football AT ALL. While I am aware that there are clearly some guys who are considered to be more elite prospects at their positions than others I don't know who they are until people start talking about the draft at which time I will look at highlight reels of guys whose names get associated with the team. As a result, whether a guy gets picked in the third, the fourth, the fifth or the seventh makes little difference to me. I judge our drafts by a very simple criteria, either a guy ends up contributing or he doesn't. Where he's drafted doesn't enter into at all.

I dare you to find a single post from me where I have ragged on endlessly about the merits of one player over another or why this move wasn't made or that move wasn't. I follow the team we have, I don't get worked up about who is on the team or who isn't. I try to look at the reasons why certain guys get picked but I don't wet the bed if they don't work out. For instance I understand why they picked Solomon Thomas and hope he will justify their faith in him this year with a new line coach and better pressure off the edge but you won't see me making endless posts about the topic. I get why they rolled the dice on Foster but feel that the team is better off without him. Not concerned that they spent a fourth on Joe Williams because they got Breida as an UDFA. They picked two backs. One worked out, one didn't, which is about the outcome you'd expect, doesn't matter to me in the slightest that their respective draft positions were the reverse of what might have been anticipated.

This whole notion of "value" in relation to draft position is something for the draftniks to get worked up about. That sort of thing just isn't in my wheelhouse. All I can say is that to my eyes the roster seems to be better than it was when they took over. It seems like there are spots that still need improving but all-in-all it feels to me that the team is moving in the right direction and, generally speaking, they are probably further along then their record from last year indicates.

I have pretty consistently maintained that I thought this season would be the first true indicator of how Lynch and Shanahan's approach to rebuilding the team is working out. Nothing I have seen in the last two years has really changed my assessment of that situation. Go Niners!!

Originally posted by 49ers81:

All that jabber and you're still not willing to name one player that you would have picked at that spot instead and are willing to match his contribution to his team against Wishnowsky's contribution to the 49ers at the end of the season.

As to your other point I don't consider myself an armchair GM by any definition of that term. As I have often said I don't follow college football AT ALL. While I am aware that there are clearly some guys who are considered to be more elite prospects at their positions than others I don't know who they are until people start talking about the draft at which time I will look at highlight reels of guys whose names get associated with the team. As a result, whether a guy gets picked in the third, the fourth, the fifth or the seventh makes little difference to me. I judge our drafts by a very simple criteria, either a guy ends up contributing or he doesn't. Where he's drafted doesn't enter into at all.

I dare you to find a single post from me where I have ragged on endlessly about the merits of one player over another or why this move wasn't made or that move wasn't. I follow the team we have, I don't get worked up about who is on the team or who isn't. I try to look at the reasons why certain guys get picked but I don't wet the bed if they don't work out. For instance I understand why they picked Solomon Thomas and hope he will justify their faith in him this year with a new line coach and better pressure off the edge but you won't see me making endless posts about the topic. I get why they rolled the dice on Foster but feel that the team is better off without him. Not concerned that they spent a fourth on Joe Williams because they got Breida as an UDFA. They picked two backs. One worked out, one didn't, which is about the outcome you'd expect, doesn't matter to me in the slightest that their respective draft positions were the reverse of what might have been anticipated.

This whole notion of "value" in relation to draft position is something for the draftniks to get worked up about. That sort of thing just isn't in my wheelhouse. All I can say is that to my eyes the roster seems to be better than it was when they took over. It seems like there are spots that still need improving but all-in-all it feels to me that the team is moving in the right direction and, generally speaking, they are probably further along then their record from last year indicates.

I have pretty consistently maintained that I thought this season would be the first true indicator of how Lynch and Shanahan's approach to rebuilding the team is working out. Nothing I have seen in the last two years has really changed my assessment of that situation. Go Niners!!

Go Niners indeed!

In the draft forum, there is a whole sub forum devoted to mock drafts and there is another thread in the main forum devoted to shadow drafts. Feel free to rummage.

And let me save you some suspense...not a single fan picked a punter in the 4th. You know why? Because it's stupid and piss poor value and dead last on the positions that affect W-L's.

But now that he is here,

...and go Niners.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49ers81:
All that jabber and you're still not willing to name one player that you would have picked at that spot instead and are willing to match his contribution to his team against Wishnowsky's contribution to the 49ers at the end of the season.

As to your other point I don't consider myself an armchair GM by any definition of that term. As I have often said I don't follow college football AT ALL. While I am aware that there are clearly some guys who are considered to be more elite prospects at their positions than others I don't know who they are until people start talking about the draft at which time I will look at highlight reels of guys whose names get associated with the team. As a result, whether a guy gets picked in the third, the fourth, the fifth or the seventh makes little difference to me. I judge our drafts by a very simple criteria, either a guy ends up contributing or he doesn't. Where he's drafted doesn't enter into at all.

I dare you to find a single post from me where I have ragged on endlessly about the merits of one player over another or why this move wasn't made or that move wasn't. I follow the team we have, I don't get worked up about who is on the team or who isn't. I try to look at the reasons why certain guys get picked but I don't wet the bed if they don't work out. For instance I understand why they picked Solomon Thomas and hope he will justify their faith in him this year with a new line coach and better pressure off the edge but you won't see me making endless posts about the topic. I get why they rolled the dice on Foster but feel that the team is better off without him. Not concerned that they spent a fourth on Joe Williams because they got Breida as an UDFA. They picked two backs. One worked out, one didn't, which is about the outcome you'd expect, doesn't matter to me in the slightest that their respective draft positions were the reverse of what might have been anticipated.

This whole notion of "value" in relation to draft position is something for the draftniks to get worked up about. That sort of thing just isn't in my wheelhouse. All I can say is that to my eyes the roster seems to be better than it was when they took over. It seems like there are spots that still need improving but all-in-all it feels to me that the team is moving in the right direction and, generally speaking, they are probably further along then their record from last year indicates.

I have pretty consistently maintained that I thought this season would be the first true indicator of how Lynch and Shanahan's approach to rebuilding the team is working out. Nothing I have seen in the last two years has really changed my assessment of that situation. Go Niners!!

Go Niners indeed!

In the draft forum, there is a whole sub forum devoted to mock drafts and there is another thread in the main forum devoted to shadow drafts. Feel free to rummage.

And let me save you some suspense...not a single fan picked a punter in the 4th. You know why? Because it's stupid and piss poor value and dead last on the positions that affect W-L's.

But now that he is here,

...and go Niners.

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Here's some more gold.

BTW: How am I beating all our Aussie's to posting these videos??? Step up mates!

Originally posted by NCommand:

Here's some more gold.

BTW: How am I beating all our Aussie's to posting these videos??? Step up mates!

I'm not on social media so you'll always be ahead of me in that regard.

Also, someone suggested Mitch couldn't kick 70yds. I think these clips strongly suggest he could quite easily. He's getting 5 seconds of hangtime on a 50yd kick with ease. If he flattened his trajectory out and went for distance, I reckon he could add 15-20yds of range without too much trouble. Kicks of that distance are pretty common in AFL.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Here's some more gold.

BTW: How am I beating all our Aussie's to posting these videos??? Step up mates!

Here is also a glimpse of what @mitchwish does when he is going in. Backward spinning Aussie Drop Punt. Great direction, location hangtime and distance. @49ers @jenniferleechan #greatpick pic.twitter.com/IAbWcBbeb8

— Prokick Australia (@ProkickAus) May 4, 2019

Looks like he hit the pylon every time.